[CTRL] HAWK TALES by Bruce Maccabee
-Caveat Lector- Complete article is here: http://brumac.8k.com/HAWKTALES/ HAWK TALES By Bruce Maccabee c 2005 by Bruce Maccabee INTRODUCTION This article is presented primarily as a supplement to the book by Robert Collins and Richard Doty entitled Exempt from Disclosure (2005; Robert Collins and Richard Doty; available from www.ufoconspiracy.com). However, those who do not intend to read the book will also find this information at least interesting, perhaps even astounding (assuming it is true!). What is presented here is essentially a much more detailed history of the beginning of the investigation that Collins and Doty describe. Their book goes far beyond what is presented here, so anyone reading this paper should read the book also to get the rest of the story. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hawk/Dove Quiz
-Caveat Lector- Polyconomics Jan 28 2003 Memo on the Margin Quiz: Answers to the Hawk/Dove Quiz. To Website Fans, Browsers, Clients From: Jude Wanniski Re: Answers to Yesterdays Quiz We posted the quiz yesterday, the day the United Nations weapons inspectors made their first report to the United Nations Security Council on their progress to date. Today we post the correct answers, correct at least according to our best sources and analysis. If you got all the answers correct, you are a certified dove. And vice versa. There is, though, some room for quibbling. 1. Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. True or False. False. The U.S. Armed Forces only consider a nuclear weapon a weapon of mass destruction. Iraq has neither nuclear weapons nor chemical or biological weapons, although it may possess some of the ingredients that would enable it to develop a chemical or biological weapon. 2. Saddam Hussein has had weapons of mass destruction in the past. True or False. False. Iraq had a program to develop a nuclear weapon and acquired a design for one that would use highly-enriched uranium (HEU), but was unable to produce more than a few grams of HEU when it would take several hundred pounds to make one nuke. 3. White House officials assert that Iraq has been training terrorists. True or False. False. Iraq did support a terrorist network prior to 1983, but in that year the U.S. offered to provide support for Baghdad in its war against Iran on condition that it withdraw support from the network. There is no evidence it has resumed. 4. Osama bin Ladens al-Qaedas terrorist forces have been operating inside Iraq. True or False. True. Al Qaeda is known to have operatives inside Iraq, but in Kurdistan, outside the reach of the Baghdad government. 5. In March 1988, Saddam Hussein committed genocide, killing several thousand Iraqi Kurds at Halabja with poison gas. True or False. False. According to the CIA, hundreds of Iraqi Kurds died at Halabja when caught between the Iraqi and Iranian armies, both of whom used gas. The U.S. government in 1990 concluded the Kurds who died were victims of a cyanide- based gas, which the Iranians possessed, but not the Iraqi army, which used mustard gas. 6. In August 1988, Saddam Hussein committed genocide, killing 100,000 Iraqi Kurds with machine guns, then burying them in mass graves. True or False. False. This is an assertion of Human Rights Watch, which originally reported in 1988 that 100,000 Kurds had been killed by poison gas. When U.S. intelligence services uniformly dismissed this as a possibility and that there was no evidence of mass graves in Kurdistan, Human Rights Watch altered its story to say the Kurds were put in trucks, driven south, machine gunned outside of Kurdistan, and buried in mass graves. No such mass graves have been found and the U.S. Army War College says none exist, that the story was a non-event. 7. In June 1990, Saddam Hussein asked permission of the United States to settle his border dispute with Kuwait, with force if diplomacy failed. True or False. True. Iraq argued that Kuwait was cheating on its OPEC agreement to produce only a certain amount of oil per day, and was driving down the international price of oil. Saddam said his country would be bankrupt unless Kuwait relented and compensated Iraq from what it had stolen from Iraq, by overproducing and by slant-drilling into the Iraqi oilfields on the other side of the Kuwait border. 8. In 1990, the United States advised Saddam Hussein that his issues with Kuwait were a local matter, and that the U.S. had no diplomatic obligation to defend Kuwait if attacked by Iraq. True or False. True. The U.S. State Department testified before congressional committees to that effect: at the time Saddam Hussein was weighing his options with Kuwait. 9. Saddam Hussein personally assured the United States Ambassador to Baghdad that he would take no military action against Kuwait if the emir of Kuwait -- in a meeting scheduled to take place in July 1990 -- agreed to end its economic warfare against Iraq. True or False. True. The Ambassador, April Glaspie, was assured and left on vacation. The emir of Kuwait decided not to show up at the meeting in Baghdad, with assurances from the Pentagon that it would defend Kuwait without an agreement to do so. Saddam invaded. 10. After quickly occupying Kuwait, the Iraqi army positioned itself on the border of Saudi Arabia and threatened an invasion. True or False. False. The U.S. government advised King Fahd that Iraq was poised to invade Saudi Arabia. King Fahd sent scouts to check and they could find no sign of the Iraqi army. But when the Pentagon showed aerial photographs of the army, King Fahd agreed to join the coalition. Commercial aerial photographs of the region subsequently showed no signs of any Iraqi army movement at the border area. The details are still Pentagon classified. 11. After Iraqs invasion of Kuwait by Iraq in
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Hawk had nothing coming to him for defending his position in the debate. As far as I could see, he received nothing he did not respond to honestly and effectively. He also won the pissing contest. Jim Norman Source - Richard wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on but he does not deserve throwing off, he was simply defending his views. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA112 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:45:00 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21199784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 Þ listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06667 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVYMa00808 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +1900 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Hawk et al To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTE
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 7:31:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk had nothing coming to him for defending his position in the debate. As far as I could see, he received nothing he did not respond to honestly and effectively. He also won the pissing contest. Jim Norman Where's the scoresheet? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 6:11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on If any person disagrees with a defender of slavery, does that disagreement constitute egging on? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- You never show what you are replying to . Duh!!! Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ditto, or, ruff-ruff. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAB273 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:18:24 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:29 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21157938 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:28 -0500 Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.8]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16122 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RAZPa20555 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:30:21 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Agent Smiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on but he does not deserve throwing off, he was simply defending his views. RoadsEnd wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA112 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 04:45:00 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21199784 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 LISTSERV.AOL.COM; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 Þ listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06667 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVYMa00808 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 +1900 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:38 EST Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Hawk et al To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
At 11:56 PM 1/8/99 -0500, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves 0.7 whippings per year. Next time you write to Hawk, ask him over to work at your place and be paid 0.7 whippings per year just to see what he says. --Ted Daniels
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- Just what is your point, sir? That you've got lots of stuff--more than all the rest of us put together--and you resent the government for taxing you? I am trying to understand your contempt for everyone on this list---and why you are here. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- I agree with SnoOwl, you do seem to have a problem. -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 January 1999 08:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk -Caveat Lector- Yay Go boy. Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- Just what is your point, sir? That you've got lots of stuff--more than all the rest of us put together--and you resent the government for taxing you? I am trying to understand your contempt for everyone on this list---and why you are here. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = === To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from lists.aol.com ([152.163.216.26]) by zag.workstation.org.uk (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA143 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 05:09:32 + Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by lists.aol.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 0:21:43 -0500 Received: from LISTSERV.AOL.COM by LISTSERV.AOL.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 21117049 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:21:42 -0500 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29417 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (sdn-ar-002nyglenP284.dialsprint.net [168.191.118.86]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04107 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:21:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:19:25 + Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Sno0wl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Hawk To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- Ditto, or, ruff-ruff. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk
-Caveat Lector- At 01:44 PM 1/8/99 -0600, Hugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William Hugh, although I often disagree with your views, I respect your scholarship, civility, lack of insecurity, and tolerance. Your ability to engage in a lively exchange without resorting to the arrogant, ill-mannered and unlearned tactics of the core group that is allowed to control this list is refreshing. You are a gentleman. I agree that Hawk should be allowed to stay, as should anyone else who is inclined. It really shouldn't matter if some persons find any number of posts offensive - isn't that "diversity"? Theory is obviously more palatable than the real deal for some persons. Regards, Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk and Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Wait a second here !! I just got on, and I am hearing that people are thrown off this list for discussing things, and one person is accused of being another !! I am wondering if I made a mistake here, or if I say something you don't like are you going to throw me off... and no, I am not William, nor Hawk...I am who I say I am. just in case I get accused of that, because I replied. Carlene M. Wojahn "L. Shipton" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Considering that you were the one who (helped) lead him on - since he gave you a sounding board for your own ideas, this is generous of you William Hugh Tunstall. I personally think that ''MAYBE" Hawk should be let back on, with a stern warning, and that you should be taken off. That is, if Hawk isn't simply some other name that you use? In that case maybe we would be better off without Hawk or William. Laura AKA The Pied Piper -Original Message- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison -Caveat Lector- Hawk has informed me that he was removed from the list. I would like the listowner to reconsider his or her decision. All of us have been guilty of intemperate remarks from time to time on this list. (myself included.) I'm on the opposite end of the political spectrum from the dread bird, and I didn't find his posts that offensive. I've read some blatantly anti-semitic stuff that was far more offensive, in my opinion, that his posts.. Best wishes, William DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- Howdy all, I have just gone through a lengthy post from Hawk, using the bible to justify slavery and comments about how it really wasn't that bad and if ya look at the farm logs, some places only whipped their slaves "0.7 whippings per year". Now I was raised in the south, Virginia and Tennessee, and realize that the 'official line and history' of the Civil War is no more accurate than todays news. But I got no time for a bible thumping slavery apologist. He can start his own list, about that crap(MHO), it is an easy thing to do these days. He could even start a anti-CTRL, with some nazis, for all I care. Hawk can recieve CTRL posts, he cannot post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to CTRL right now. And with all the chatter I am really too busy for anymore 'noise'. Please all, let us be civil and think a bit before ya post. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hawk: You forced me to laugh out loud! Thanks.
-Caveat Lector- Thanks, Hawk! I don't think there's any better way to compact into one sentence the full absurdity of otherwise intelligent Americans who accept the criminal elitist usurpation of that function (voting at election time) which determines the ENTIRE direction of our government. For those who want to get in on the joke, read below. I laughed out loud, and while I laugh a lot to myself or quietly, there have only been a few lines in my adult life which have forced me to unexpectedly laugh out loud. Jim Condit Jr. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hawk Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - VotingC... -Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: I have to admit to being more than a tad suspicious of anything which the Libertarians or conservatives find appealing. The Libertarians sound appealing [snip] much of what was said at their convention in 1996 and it became plain that the party leaders are mostly interested in avoiding taxes. They either believe that it is possible to have a society worth living in without expenses or their top priority is "let George pay for it" where George is you or me. I believe you have Libertarianism mixed up with anarchy and the current system, socialism. Libertarians only want "George" to pay for what "George" uses, without any help from the rest of us. At this point i am not sufficiently familiar with the issue of going back to count the ballot the old fashioned way. Doubtlessly, there are certain efficiencies in automated vote counts for both time and money. Yes, its the same kind of "efficiencies" that regulate what percentage slot machines return to the suckers that play them... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
