Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- The word Torah means teaching -De Sola Poole Traditional Jewish Prayer Book Where does the Torah teach that a band of atheistic gangsters with no proven biological link to Jacob and the original Israelites is latter-day Israel, God's Chosen People about whom Jesus Christ, Lion of Judah said: I came only to find the lost sheep of Israel? POC (LEZ) * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- You asked. The answer is the Torah. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy -Caveat Lector- * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It's not a matter of genes or blood because once a person converts, they are a member of the Jewish community, no matter what bloodline or gene pool they bring into the community. It's a matter of the commitment to a moral belief system which binds people together. What is there to this moral belief more central than the hatred of Christ and the love of antichrists (I John 2:22)? POC (LEZ) If someone converts out, a blood sample is not the way back into the community. The ancestry part is recognized with the idea that grandparents, parents, etc. have passed on certain patterns of moral beliefs and their origins and even if one is not active in the community, the pattern has been somehow passed on. Whether Jewish or not, we all tend to trust people who say their thinking is similar to one's own. Jews trust those who say they think like Jews. Jew haters trust other Jew haters. Doctors trust other doctors who are part of their group. Osteopaths trust other osteopaths. Teachers have a commonality with other teachers. And so on. Teachers, doctors, and other name groups will stake out what they think is their own territory and will fight anyone who they think infringes. Territory can mean anything from land to status to control of a board. And that's the bottom line of many of the conflicts between humans. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL
Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- It's not a matter of genes or blood because once a person converts, they are a member of the Jewish community, no matter what bloodline or gene pool they bring into the community. It's a matter of the commitment to a moral belief system which binds people together. If someone converts out, a blood sample is not the way back into the community. The ancestry part is recognized with the idea that grandparents, parents, etc. have passed on certain patterns of moral beliefs and their origins and even if one is not active in the community, the pattern has been somehow passed on. Whether Jewish or not, we all tend to trust people who say their thinking is similar to one's own. Jews trust those who say they think like Jews. Jew haters trust other Jew haters. Doctors trust other doctors who are part of their group. Osteopaths trust other osteopaths. Teachers have a commonality with other teachers. And so on. Teachers, doctors, and other name groups will stake out what they think is their own territory and will fight anyone who they think infringes. Territory can mean anything from land to status to control of a board. And that's the bottom line of many of the conflicts between humans. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It's not a matter of genes or blood because once a person converts, they are a member of the Jewish community, no matter what bloodline or gene pool they bring into the community. It's a matter of the commitment to a moral belief system which binds people together. What is there to this moral belief more central than the hatred of Christ and the love of antichrists (I John 2:22)? POC (LEZ) If someone converts out, a blood sample is not the way back into the community. The ancestry part is recognized with the idea that grandparents, parents, etc. have passed on certain patterns of moral beliefs and their origins and even if one is not active in the community, the pattern has been somehow passed on. Whether Jewish or not, we all tend to trust people who say their thinking is similar to one's own. Jews trust those who say they think like Jews. Jew haters trust other Jew haters. Doctors trust other doctors who are part of their group. Osteopaths trust other osteopaths. Teachers have a commonality with other teachers. And so on. Teachers, doctors, and other name groups will stake out what they think is their own territory and will fight anyone who they think infringes. Territory can mean anything from land to status to control of a board. And that's the bottom line of many of the conflicts between humans. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- You asked. The answer is the Torah. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy -Caveat Lector- * http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens ** On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Zuukie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It's not a matter of genes or blood because once a person converts, they are a member of the Jewish community, no matter what bloodline or gene pool they bring into the community. It's a matter of the commitment to a moral belief system which binds people together. What is there to this moral belief more central than the hatred of Christ and the love of antichrists (I John 2:22)? POC (LEZ) If someone converts out, a blood sample is not the way back into the community. The ancestry part is recognized with the idea that grandparents, parents, etc. have passed on certain patterns of moral beliefs and their origins and even if one is not active in the community, the pattern has been somehow passed on. Whether Jewish or not, we all tend to trust people who say their thinking is similar to one's own. Jews trust those who say they think like Jews. Jew haters trust other Jew haters. Doctors trust other doctors who are part of their group. Osteopaths trust other osteopaths. Teachers have a commonality with other teachers. And so on. Teachers, doctors, and other name groups will stake out what they think is their own territory and will fight anyone who they think infringes. Territory can mean anything from land to status to control of a board. And that's the bottom line of many of the conflicts between humans. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Party of Citizens Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil
[CTRL] Holy Genes Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:16:50 -0800 (PST) From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] Kohanim Lie Yes the Kohanim thing is a PROVEN LIE. It does not give proof positive that modern Cohns, Kahans, Kahns etc. are descended from Aaron. The Edomites (descendents of Jacob's brother Esau) had similar sounding family names (which shouldn't surprise us since the two neighbouring nations were founded by twin brothers). And the Romans forced the two nations to merge and adopt the same religion. So a modern Kahn could be descended from Korah, a Duke of Edom, or other Edomites (see Tyndale Bible Dictionary under Korah). Also some of these modern Cohen, Kahan, Kahn people have converted to Christianity. Who then are the proper modern day counterparts to the Levitical priesthood if we are going to credit modern people with such a position due in part at least to having the same Y chromosome as some of the Levitical priesthood? If a Mr. Cohen happens to be a member of the Christian clergy, does he not have more right than a so-called jew or semite who has taken the antichrist position? (I John 2:22). Yet such a Christian Cohen would be rejected as having even right of return to Israel according to the Falwells, Grahams, Dobsons, Hagees, Robertsons and all the rest of the tele-evangelical riff raff. So we see who the false tele-evangelists are in Scripture. They are found in Revelation as the false apostles who say they are apostles and are not, but are liars. The Lord works in mysterious ways but I am credulous that He would assign a high spiritual value to something made from the dust of the earth like a Y chromosome and ignore all the other chromosomes and genes as having any sipritual importance at the same time. My arguments as to why this boils down to a SPIRITUAL conflict and not a GENEOLOGICAL-BIOLOGICAL conflict are found in the Life-Gazette archives. The claim by this modern day Cult of Antichrists that the antichrist Cohens have this priestly right is a claim to proof positive. Never has the science of genetics been so bastardized since the Nazis so I think your comments below are not excessive. THERE IS NO PROOF POSITIVE. In addition to what I have said above, consider the following. The Khazar-Ashkenazi conversion is acknowledged in most Jewish encyclopedias and similar reference works. Those people between the Caspian and Black seas had names like Kagan which are recognized as having become Kahan and Kahn etc, ie part of this group with the special Y chromosome. Ashkenaz as we all know is a descendent of Japheth and not Shem, ie not a Shemite. Even if we were to say the Cohen Clan Y chromosome points to a common ancestor in the Middle East at about the time of Aaraon (and I doubt the science is that precise), not only could that ancestor be an Edomite Shemite instead of an Israelite Shemite, but he could also be an Ashkenazi in the Middle East at the same time. Another consideration is that the single common ancestor could precede Kohath, the second son of Levi. Are we to believe that this Kohath suddenly had a major chromosome mutation and started the line of Holy Genes? Could be...but extremely speculative. More likely that Kohath's Y chromosome went back even further. Perhaps it even originated by intermarriage with the Egyptians during the captivity in Egypt, thus becoming a PAGAN CHROMOSOME in origin. How did this pagan chromosome become endowed with spirituality? Since the same pagan chromosome would have been disseminated amongst various pagan gene pools did those pagan Y chromosomes also become spiritually endowed. If we found such chromosomes today (as I expect we can) what are we to say of their right of return to priestly duties in Israel today? So you see why the Holy Genes notion becomes absurd and why I have argued that this case of ancestral rights or inheritance rights is SPIRITUAL and not biological-material. It is as absurd and racist for jews to push this notion as for the British Israel/Identity types to do the same. POC On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, b0b_3ss wrote: The blatant Jew supremacism of Kohanim mythology is further evidence that Zionism is JewNazism. http://www.cousinsplus.com/families/CousinsPlus/Devout/ Tribe of Levi Uberstine family claims Ten living Kohanim and Sixteen Levim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/wpWolB/TM -~- * What would a Model City plus surroundings for Good Doers of the Axis of Good be like, vs. a contrasting city for Evil Doers in the Axis of Evil? * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is
