Re: [CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... you canlegalizetheft.

2001-03-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

-Caveat Lector-

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
 and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke

 Nurev Ind Research wrote:
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
   ===
   NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
   2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
   Washington DC 20037
   World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org
   ===
   For release: March 22, 2001
   ===

 HA! J2 posting a Libertarian party press release (and
 in a favorable light)?! Never thought I'd see the day
 In defense, I assume he'll come back with something
 along the lines of: even if a fool says the sun is shining,
 doesn't mean the moon's out.


It's not in a favorable light. It's merely the truth. Even
Libertarians are sometimes capable of truth. The problem is that
they are incapable of the WHOLE truth. The government is half the
problem. The Rich and their economic system is the REAL core of
the problem.

C'mon. Let me hear you shout it out Libertarians. Capitalism SUCKS!!
"__"

H. I thought so.

Joshua2
=
 The title of the thread sure seems to hit the nail on the
 head. As what's-his-face long ago put it:

 "All the great governments of the world - those now
 existing, as well as those that have passed away - have been
 of this character. They have been mere bands of impostors,
 who have associated for purposes of plunder, conquest, and
 the enslavement of their fellow men. And their laws, as they
 have called them, have been only such agreements as they
 have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain
 their organizations, and act together in plundering and
 enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share
 of the spoils.

 "All these laws have had no more real obligation
 than have the agreements which brigands, bandits, and
 pirates find it necessary to enter into with each other, for
 the more successful accomplishment of their crimes, and the
 more peaceable division of their spoils.

 "Thus substantially all the legislation of the world has
 had its origin in the desires of one class of persons to
 plunder and enslave others These laws have continued in
 force for hundreds, and, in some countries, for thousands of
 years; and are in force today, in greater or less severity,
 in nearly all the countries on the globe.

 "The purpose and effect of these laws have been to
 maintain, in the hands of the robber, or slave holding
 class, a monopoly of all lands, and, as far as possible, of
 all other means of creating wealth; and thus to keep the
 great body of laborers in such a state of poverty and
 dependence, as would compel them to sell their labor to
 their tyrants for the lowest prices at which life could be
 sustained.

 "The result of all this is, that the little wealth
 there is in the world is all in the hands of a few - that
 is, in the hands of the law-making, slave-holding class; who
 are now as much slaveholders in spirit as they ever were,
 but who accomplish their purposes by means of the laws they
 make for keeping the laborers in subjection and dependence,
 instead of each one's owning his individual slaves as so
 many chattels.

 "Thus the whole business of legislation, which has
 now grown to such gigantic proportions, had its origin in
 CONSPIRACIES, which have always existed among the few, for
 the purpose of holding the many in subjection, and extorting
 from them their labor, and the profits of their labor.

 "And the real motives and spirit which lie at the
 foundation of all legislation - notwithstanding all the
 pretenses and disguises by which they attempt to hide
 themselves - are the same today as they always have been.
 The whole purpose of this legislation is simply to keep one
 class of men in subordination and servitude to another."
 -- Lysander Spooner (1876)

 ...and let's not forget that:

 "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of
  men living together in society, they create for
  themselves in the course of time, a legal system
  that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies
  it". Frederic Bastiat

 "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the
  laws." --Tacitus

  "The state calls its own violence law, but that of
  the individual, crime." --Max Stirner

  "Every man is free to do that which he wills,
  provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any
  other man." --Herbert Spencer

  "What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by
  one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible
  dominion over all other men whom they can subject to
  their power." --Lysander Spooner

  "Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates
  in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus
  of judges, police, prisons and 

Re: [CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... you canlegalizetheft.

2001-03-22 Thread Nurev Ind Research

-Caveat Lector-

Jeff Russo wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 NUREV citing the Libertarians? What has the world come to?

 jeff

Even Libertarians are right twice a day.

Joshua2


 --- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-
 
   ===
   NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY
   2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
   Washington DC 20037
   World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org
   ===
   For release: March 22, 2001
   ===
   For additional information:
   George Getz, Press Secretary
   Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222
   E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ===
 
 
   U.S. House planning "sneakiest pay raise
   in history," Libertarians warn Americans
 
   WASHINGTON, DC -- The U.S. House is planning to give itself
   "the sneakiest pay raise in history," Libertarians warn: a tax-free,
   $165-per-day payment that would be activated the moment an obscure
   House panel declares their colleagues are "eligible."
 
   "These devious politicians have hatched another scheme
   to get rich quick at your expense, without accepting any blame," said
   Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party national director. "And if we don't
   speak out immediately, expect this raise to be approved faster than you
   can say 'pickpocket.' "
 
   Just two months after accepting a raise to an
   exorbitant $145,100 a year, House representatives are working behind
   the scenes to enact a "per diem" expense allowance of $165 per working
   day. With about 151 legislative days per year, the raise would amount
   to a $25,000-a-year, tax-exempt pay hike.
 
   But as the public finds out about the maneuver, House
   leaders "are getting nervous," according to Capitol Hill sources, and
   the proposal could be shelved -- or enacted -- at any time.
 
   "This episode demonstrates that the one word that
   should strike fear into the hearts of every American is 'bipartisan.'
   After all, there's nothing more dangerous, or expensive, than Democrats
   and Republicans working in harmony to funnel your money into their
   pockets," Dasbach said.
 
   As for the amount -- $165 per working day -- he
   quipped: "How much would we have to pay them just to stay home?"
 
   Dasbach predicted that taxpayers would have difficulty
   deciding what to dislike most about "the sneakiest pay raise in
   history": the sneakiness itself, the greed, or the hypocrisy.
 
* The Sneakiness: "To avoid publicity, Congressional
   leaders agreed to delegate the power to approve the raise to the House
   Administration Committee, a low-profile panel that administers payroll
   and accounting," Dasbach said. "The panel of six Republicans and three
   Democrats can trigger the $165 per diem by simply declaring that their
   House colleagues are 'eligible' for it.
 
   "Why are politicians trying so hard to cover their
   tracks? Because they remember the public outcry over their last salary
   grab of $3,800 a year, which was opposed by 71 percent of the voters.
   But don't let them get away with delegating their dirty work to their
   cronies on the committee. There may be only nine conspirators, but
   there are 426 co-conspirators in the 435-member House -- and all of
   them should be held accountable."
 
   * The Greed: "If they pile a tax-free $25,000 raise on
   top of their lavish salaries, they will be raking in the equivalent of
   a $190,000 taxable salary, not including their lucrative pensions, a
   $3,000 tax exemption for a second home, and other benefits," Dasbach
   said. "And if this raise goes through, Congressional salaries will have
   risen an astronomical $80,600 over the last decade, meaning their
   raises alone will dwarf the median American family's income. It's time
   to stand up and say, 'Enough is Enough!' "
 
   *  The Hypocrisy: "A $25,000 raise isn't enough for
   these money-grubbing politicians; they want a $25,000 tax-free raise!"
   Dasbach said. "It's obvious that House politicians have a love-hate
   relationship with the income tax: They love it when you pay yours, but
   hate having to pay theirs. You know the government is corrupt when an
   activity that can make politicians rich -- in this case, income tax
   evasion -- can get ordinary Americans thrown in jail.
 
   "That's why every American should help us combat
   Congress's latest salary grab. Think of it as preventing a Capitol
   crime."
 
Sentby  Paul E Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]