Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, Alamaine Ratliff wrote: Exactly!!! But I wonder *WHY* it would be necessary to consider changing one's appearance in the process of justifying one's actions (past, present, future). First off, people, women especially, OFTEN change their appearance just for a change...nothing 'ominous' about it, no 'hidden agendas'... But I suspect all the negative comments from Liberals about how she looked, being portrayed on SNL by John Goodman, of all people, probably gave her impetus for a makeover... Perhaps she read the comments on this list from you, Prudy, and the rest of you Klintonistas about Paula Jones and her supposed nose job...again, you people prove my point that for all your rhetoric regarding women's rights, all you value is how a woman looks... This also became a BIG issue with Martia Clark at the beginning ^^ Why do you continue to spell her name that way? of the Orenthal trial. Another woman whom instead of being assessed on her ABILITY (or lack thereof), was constantly commented on regarding her hairstyle and dress... Dressed" list. Then there's the Jones person who decided the best thing to do was to adjust her nose ... was Jones keeping up with the Carpenter MacMillans? Perhaps she was tired of hearing all the 'big nose' jokes from the likes of you... Who CARES whether she had a nose job or not? Whether she spent money on cosmetic surgery, a vacation condo in Cancun, or invested the funds on Wall Street, has NOTHING to do with the validity or lack of validity of her legal issues... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- From SalonMagazine.CoM "" For all of these reasons, Tripp's rehab odds are down there with the likes of O.J. Simpson, Tonya Harding or another misunderstood savior, Ted Kaczynski (who, in a bit of cosmic serendipity, announced Friday that he too was embarking on an image-rehab campaign!). "" Mommie dearest LINDA TRIPP, AMERICA'S FAVORITE BACK-STABBER AND GHOUL, KICKS OFF HER LONG-AWAITED NATIONAL REHABILITATION TOUR '99. BY GARY KAMIYA | The same week an Italian court ruled that a woman wearing blue jeans could not have been raped and the Rev. Jerry Falwell, in an ecstatic vision, divined creeping homosexuality in the purple Teletubbie, a nicely coifed Linda Tripp appeared on NBC's "Today" to tell America that she did it all to protect Monica. "I tried to be almost a surrogate mom," Tripp said in a soft, sincere voice. "She often said, 'I wish I had a mom like you.'" With soft sincerity, she spoke of her warm feelings toward Monica. Sincerely and softly, she said, "The notion that [Lewinsky and President Clinton's relationship] was consensual should offend every mother in the country." There was so much sincerity and softness in the air that it would have taken every mother in the country to fumigate the studio. Tripp, 40 pounds lighter and completely made over since her August post-grand jury rehab show bombed on the courthouse steps, was tastefully attired in a checked jacket. Gone were the ungainly wings of hair, which at various times had given her the unwished-for appearance of a vast, demonic Pekingese. The formerly Pullman-size bags under her eyes had been reduced to carry-ons. The Tripp chin, which had tended toward floppiness in her earlier performances, was trimmer and tighter. Before she began her rigorous training for the National Rehab Tour, Tripp's face had an oversize, mannish quality that conjured up unfortunate images of a cackling hag stirring hideous ingredients in a big iron pot. Now her entire face looked more tender, more feminine, as if it had been skillfully sandblasted. Virtually all physical reminders of the bad old Tripp, the double double toil and trouble, hover through the fog and filthy air Tripp had been erased. Tripp's on-camera demeanor also appeared to have benefited from first-class professional de-wicca-ing. Her expression, as reporter Jamie Gangel grilled her, remained sensitive and solicitous. The aggressive, quavering sanctimony of her infamous courthouse-steps appearance, when millions of Americans ran screaming in terror from their houses after she abruptly informed them that "I'M YOU," was replaced by a more low-key, affable persona. Gone was the ineffective Body Snatcher rhetoric; instead, Tripp spoke, apparently from the region of her heart, of her maternal feelings. (It appears not to have occurred to her or her handlers that the idea of Linda Tripp as the Mother of America is a nightmare on an almost Boschian scale, a kind of metaphysical demon wrapped around existence itself.) "This was to protect Monica," she said in all candor. Candidly, she revealed that she had taped her friend to save her life. "She threatened suicide on more than one occasion," she candidly revealed. She also said that she believed President Clinton might have, not to put too fine a point on it, put a contract out on her. "There were threats," she said. But perhaps sensing that this Vito Clintonioni, Linda Tripp has become a stone in my shoe line might not be the best choice, Tripp moved on to other subjects. Flag-waving was her first refuge. Of the taping, she said, "I thought of it as my patriotic duty." She even, in what may have been a slight reach, solemnly reminded viewers that she had been an Army wife for many years. N E X T+P A G E+| NBC: No tears; New York Times: Tears MOMMIE DEAREST | PAGE 1, 2 - - - - - - - - - - At the end of the interview, Gangel said that the country had gone through a long and divisive ordeal, and the upshot had been that Lewinsky's life had been ruined and Clinton acquitted. Was it worth it? "I would do it again," Tripp said. The "Today" appearance was just one tentacle of a multi-armed media strategy that Tripp is employing to transform herself from a comic villain, the Snidely Whiplash of the '90s, into a maternal moral exemplar, the mother America never had. On Monday, she will perform on Larry King, and she has also given an interview to the New York Times in which she reportedly broke down in tears. No tears were visible during the "Today" broadcast. Whether this is because the tears just wouldn't come, she wished for some reason to avoid having them captured on film or the print interview simply made her more emotional remained unclear at press time. Will the National Rehabilitation Tour '99 (has anyone noticed that such tours are now announced without irony or even comment in the media, as if there was nothing peculiar about a private citizen undertaking an enormous PR campaign?) work? Tripp can surely take heart
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-02-14 01:41:34 EST, you write: For all of these reasons, Tripp's rehab odds are down there with the likes of O.J. Simpson, Tonya Harding or another misunderstood savior, Ted Kaczynski (who, in a bit of cosmic serendipity, announced Friday that he too was embarking on an image-rehab campaign!). Tripp should either embrace her fate, starting a new postmodern career as a villainess in Quentin Tarantino flicks, or move to the friendly confines of the white-supremacist portion of some Western state, where the idea that Clinton ordered her whacked will fall on fertile soil. Maybe they'll even declare her their Honorary Mother. SALON | Feb. 12, 1999 Interesting that this pro-Clinton rag would compare Tripp with O.J. instead of comparing Clinton with O.J. I smell a rat. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/14/99 1:41:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From SalonMagazine.CoM "" For all of these reasons, Tripp's rehab odds are down there with the likes of O.J. Simpson, Tonya Harding or another misunderstood savior, Ted Kaczynski (who, in a bit of cosmic serendipity, announced Friday that he too was embarking on an image-rehab campaign!). "" Mommie dearest LINDA TRIPP, AMERICA'S FAVORITE BACK-STABBER AND GHOUL, KICKS OFF HER LONG-AWAITED NATIONAL REHABILITATION TOUR '99. Enjoyed this posting very much. Thank you. I keep trying to figure out where patriotism comes in on this. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- Tripp, 40 pounds lighter and completely made over since her August post-grand jury rehab show bombed on the courthouse steps, was tastefully attired in a checked jacket. Gone were the ungainly wings of hair, which at various times had given her the unwished-for appearance of a vast, demonic Pekingese. The formerly Pullman-size bags under her eyes had been reduced to carry-ons. The Tripp chin, which had tended toward floppiness in her earlier performances, was trimmer and tighter. Before she began her rigorous training for the National Rehab Tour, Tripp's face had an oversize, mannish quality that conjured up unfortunate images of a cackling hag stirring hideous ingredients in a big iron pot. Now her entire face looked more tender, more feminine, as if it had been skillfully sandblasted. Virtually all physical reminders of the bad old Tripp, the double double toil and trouble, hover through the fog and filthy air Tripp had been erased. And here we have a perfect example of my contention that the worst cases of sexism and misogyny are to be found in Liberals... Why does how Tripp looks and dresses have ANYTHING to do with the FACTS of the case...if she looked like a runway model, would that give her more 'credibility'? When 'Conservatives' used the same tactics against spokeswomen of the early Feminist movement, Liberals roundly condemned them...but it seems such tactics are perfectly okay against those perceived to be enemies of the 'Feminist' president... Tripp's on-camera demeanor also appeared to have benefited from first-class professional de-wicca-ing. Her expression, as reporter Jamie Gangel grilled her, remained sensitive and solicitous. The aggressive, quavering sanctimony of her infamous courthouse-steps appearance, when Yes, we CAN'T have 'aggressive' women, can we? Aggressiveness is a 'male' trait, and any women who are perceived to have too much of what is considered a positive trait in a male, is viewed negatively -- either she's a 'bitch' or a 'lesbian', perhaps both... Altho it's considered perfectly acceptable by the Left for one of their OWN women to be 'aggressive', ala Bitch Goddess Hillary Klinton, they are the first to resort to sexist remarks regarding any 'aggressive' woman who ISN'T in their camp... Gone was the ineffective Body Snatcher rhetoric; instead, Tripp spoke, apparently from the region of her heart, of her maternal feelings. Yes, 'maternal' feelings demonstrate that she now fits their image of the 'proper role' for a woman...and they wonder why modern Feminism has lost credibility... She even, in what may have been a slight reach, solemnly reminded viewers that she had been an Army wife for many years. Yes, after painting her as an 'ugly hag' (which, according to the Left, is a fate worse than death for a woman), how could it be conceivable that ANYONE ever found Ms. Tripp attractive enough to have married her? That she is NOT some lonely old spinster (another 'fate worse than death' the Left lobs at women they don't like), but rather was married, and had children (thereby fulfilling the 'natural role of women' that the Left pushes)... even with those you ain't supposed to. Finally, we need a permanent comic villain -- both to put this whole mess behind us, and just because we're kinda sadistic that way -- Only if the 'we' refers to The Left... Tripp should either embrace her fate, A 'fate' which the Left decrees belongs to her... June === "To love another person is to see the face of God." -Les Miserables === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: From SalonMagazine.CoM Mommie dearest LINDA TRIPP, AMERICA'S FAVORITE BACK-STABBER AND GHOUL, KICKS OFF HER LONG-AWAITED NATIONAL REHABILITATION TOUR '99. Enjoyed this posting very much. Thank you. I keep trying to figure out where patriotism comes in on this. Prudy I suppose seeing closeup the evidence of Clinton's degeneracy and realizing that he held your life, the lives of your family and friends, and the lives of your fellow Americans and those of the whole world in his hands might cause many others to act in a similar manner. Whether this is patriotism or not, I don't know. But it would seem to me that that value may be a driving force in such actions, as well. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 2/14/99 2:58:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I suppose seeing closeup the evidence of Clinton's degeneracy and realizing that he held your life, the lives of your family and friends, and the lives of your fellow Americans and those of the whole world in his hands might cause many others to act in a similar manner. Whether this is patriotism or not, I don't know. But it would seem to me that that value may be a driving force in such actions, as well. Sneaking around and looking for info on Clinton's sex life might be a way to get even with him for booting her out of the White House over to the Pentagon, but a way to save the free world, it's not. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I would do it again
-Caveat Lector- Exactly!!! But I wonder *WHY* it would be necessary to consider changing one's appearance in the process of justifying one's actions (past, present, future). This also became a BIG issue with Martia Clark at the beginning of the Orenthal trial. Also, for many who make or don't make the "Best Dressed" list. Then there's the Jones person who decided the best thing to do was to adjust her nose ... was Jones keeping up with the Carpenter MacMillans? Of course, when one, such as myself, grew up on Hippie ethic (if it feels good, wear it)(substance, not appearance), these things sort of stand out. The obvious observation is anyone who goes in for this sort of thing, appearance changes/make-overs must have something to do with causing them or those close to them some discomfort. Check out the daytime 'talks' for the sheer number of shows that deal with this specific issue/action. As Djuna Barnes wrote (or said), "Beauty is but an advertisement." Some days ago, I posted an article about this subject. Do changes on the outside really make a difference on the inside? Beyond health considerations, who cares? AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + -- : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] "I would do it again" : Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 8:14 AM : : -Caveat Lector- : : And here we have a perfect example of my contention that the worst cases : of sexism and misogyny are to be found in Liberals... : : Why does how Tripp looks and dresses have ANYTHING to do with the FACTS of : the case...if she looked like a runway model, would that give her more : 'credibility'? : : When 'Conservatives' used the same tactics against spokeswomen of the : early Feminist movement, Liberals roundly condemned them...but it seems : such tactics are perfectly okay against those perceived to be enemies of : the 'Feminist' president... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om