Re: [CTRL] Israeli Center Opened In Baghdad (How Nice)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/20/2003 1:32:35 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jews have been persecuted for so long, they quickly sense persecution and make the enormous sacrifice of packing up and moving on, to save their families. What else can they do? They are not warmongers by nature. Awww c'mon now. You're being sarcastic I assume. If not you are a poor propagandist. I'll get my violin section out for the poor poor persecuted though... <> Here's a hint "Milnes", don't tell me what I should or shouldn't promulgate. Unlike shills like you I promulgate only truth and truth that puts America FIRST and not your favored "shitty little country." Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli Center Opened In Baghdad (How Nice)
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Some of this story is nonsense. Iraqi citizens must have used the word Israel. Israel was formed in 1948. Just from my personal experience, I know there were lots of long-established Jewish Iraqi citizens in Iraq before the political repression of them in the 1950s. >From about 1957, they fled for their lives to other countries, which was wise. Jews have been persecuted for so long, they quickly sense persecution and make the enormous sacrifice of packing up and moving on, to save their families. What else can they do? They are not warmongers by nature. Why were Jewish people being persecuted suddenly in Iraq in the 1950s? I don’t know. I do know however that in the mid-60s there were ex-Nazi types who had become comfortably established in the Middle Eastern countries. I noted this during my own travels in the Middle East. This factor could have had something to do with the fact that cultured, educated Iraqi Jewish families who had lived there peacefully for many generations suddenly had to pack up and flee their own country. The whole attitude depicted in this story is disgraceful, in my view, and you shouldn’t be promulgating it. L L Milnes William Shannon wrote: (extract) … Dr. Anwar Abdu Aziz, professor of political sciences in Baghdad University, charged that MEMRI and its offshoots have sinister objectives. "Israel's underground goals in the Middle East are not a secret; this center is, in effect, a façade for intelligence and security bodies orchestrated by the Mossad (Israel's intelligence service)," he stressed. The academic urged the U.S.-handpicked interim Iraqi Governing Council to immediately shut down the Israeli center in Baghdad "because it will penetrate our security." For her part, Dr. Soad Bahudin al-Mousli from Al-Rafeden University, said Iraqis have never pronounced the word "Israel" and always referred to it as "the Zionist enemy." She wondered: "Who would have imagined that Baghdad would someday host a center serving Israeli plots and schemes?" Before the ouster of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, Iraq was the only country in the Arab world – if not in the entire world – to sentence anyone who imported Israeli products to capital punishment. "This is the product of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and reaffirms out conviction that Israel and the United States are two sides of the same coin," Dr. Mousli underlined. She further exhorted Iraqis to stand up to this Israeli infiltration, which runs counter to the interests of the Arab nations. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Israeli Center Opened In Baghdad (How Nice)
-Caveat Lector- http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-08/16/article02.shtml Israeli Center Opened In Baghdad A cartoon published by Israeli MEMRI institute By Kamel al-Sharqi, IOL Correspondent BAGHDAD, August 16 (IslamOnline.net) – An Israeli center said to be specialized in Mid Eastern studies was opened in the occupied Iraqi capital Baghdad, in a provocative move seen by Iraqi academics as the beginning of an Israeli scheme to infiltrate the Iraqi society. "Israel opened its center on August 1 at a large rented building in Abu Nawaas St. overlooking The Tigris river," they told IslamOnine.net Friday, August 15. The sources, who requested anonymity, said the center has already started operation, noting that it was the first Israeli center operating publicly in Baghdad since its downfall on April 9. The heavily-guarded building, they said, obtained work permits from the U.S. occupation authority in Iraq and the Pentagon. The Iraqis sources said the center is affiliated to the Washington-based MEMRI (short for the Middle East Media Research Institute), an Israeli association set up five years ago, with offshoots in London, Berlin and West Jerusalem. "Superficially, the center follows up Arab newspapers in the Arab world and Europe, particularly London, translates key articles into Hebrew, English, German, French and Italian and circulate them among subscribers, not to mention state-run Israelis institutions," they clarified. The sources put at 35,000 the number of subscribers, who receive MEMRI's services on a daily basis, adding that it is a non-profitable organization and employs dozens in its different offshoots. "MEMRI receives donations from Jewish and Zionist institutions from all over the world," they averred. Brian Whitaker, a Guardian writer, has investigated whether the 'independent' MEMRI is quite what it seems. He wrote on August 12, 2002, that MEMRI is "rather a mysterious organization. Its website does not give the names of any people to contact, not even an office address." Whitaker attributed "Memri's air of secrecy" to those who run it, noting that its co-founder, president and registered owner of its website, "is an Israeli called Yigal Carmon." "Mr - or rather, Colonel - Carmon spent 22 years in Israeli military intelligence and later served as counter-terrorism adviser to two Israeli prime ministers, Yitzhak Shamir and Yitzhak Rabin." The Guardian writer said that based on a retrieved now-deleted page from MEMRI’s website archives, he came across the names of six people, "three - including Col Carmon - are described as having worked for Israeli intelligence." He added that another staff "served in the Israeli army's Northern Command Ordnance Corps." According to Whitaker MEMRI’s co-founder is "Meyrav Wurmser, who is also director of the center for Middle East policy at the Indianapolis-based Hudson Institute. He noted, in this respect that the "ubiquitous Richard Perle, (former) chairman of the Pentagon's defense policy board, recently joined Hudson's board of trustees." Judging from the e-mails he receives from MEMRI, the Guardian writer concluded that "the stories selected by Memri for translation follow a familiar pattern: either they reflect badly on the character of Arabs or they in some way further the political agenda of Israel. I am not alone in this unease." He recalled that Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations told the Washington Times: "Memri's intent is to find the worst possible quotes from the Muslim world and disseminate them as widely as possible." Whitaker also challenged MEMRI’s "claims that it does provide translations from Hebrew media, I can't recall receiving any." Foul Play A sample of Israeli-made products now invading Iraqi markets Dr. Anwar Abdu Aziz, professor of political sciences in Baghdad University, charged that MEMRI and its offshoots have sinister objectives. "Israel's underground goals in the Middle East are not a secret; this center is, in effect, a façade for intelligence and security bodies orchestrated by the Mossad (Israel's intelligence service)," he stressed. The academic urged the U.S.-handpicked interim Iraqi Governing Council to immediately shut down the Israeli center in Baghdad "because it will penetrate our security." For her part, Dr. Soad Bahudin al-Mousli from Al-Rafeden University, said Iraqis have never pronounced the word "Israel" and always referred to it as "the Zionist enemy." She wondered: "Who would have imagined that Baghdad would someday host a center serving Israeli plots and schemes?" Before the ouster of Iraqi president Saddam Hussein, Iraq was the only country in the Arab world – if not in the entire world – to sentence anyone who imported Israeli products to capital punishment. "This is the product of the U.S. occupation of Iraq and reaffirms out conviction that Israel and the United States are two sides of
