Re: [CTRL] J.R.R.Tolkien And The Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/25/00 2:09:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like some occult teachers, Tolkien got the idea to his masterpiece after he had been wounded in the first World War. He didn't know from where he got the idea, it just "came to him". Many occultists have had the same experience - some strange power just channeling through them ... Another thing is, Tolkien was a professor in Oxford, which is ruled by the Illuminati. Question: was Tolkien a part of the Brotherhood in some degree? Did he know the occult technology, or is everything just a coincidence? He himself said he used parts of the Beowulf saga and the old Icelandic myths, but that doesn't explain everything. Well, once again some isolated bits of knowledge come to the fore. In Occultist circles the idea that someone just gets something, or it "just comes to them", is illumination and it can be viewed in a number of ways. I believe that some of what we see in the highly artistic (including all good writers, artists, sculptors, etc.) is a tapping of a collective unconscious, or higher mental current, which gives them the idea for such inspired creation (or expands on an inate ability if you prefer that view). I believe that some of these people are directed, in some cases by "higher ups" who have the ability to channel that current to some extent. I believe that some of what we see produced as art is in fact "manufactured" in order to have an effect on society as a whole. Tolkien is just one of a long list of people who had their ideas "just come to them", or to have "dreamt" them. Lovecraft was another one, who got his ideas from dreams. Interestingly Lovecraft "came up with" Cthulhu and the whole mythos bit (expanded on many times since his death in '37). An idea in his stories and those of his followers/emulators is that Cthulhu waits dreaming, dead, but not dead. His dreams blanket the earth but only the "sensitive" can pick them up. Those dreams then cause changes in the persons mind and their art reflects this. Cthulhus dreams deal with his ultimate re-emergence at some unspecified future time "when the stars are right". It seems this parallels a great deal the idea of occultism in general and would seem to be a blueprint to influencing humanity along a particular track of evolution (if you will) to reach an unspecified time when the stars are right and something incredible happens to us, or with us, or what have you. Some of this strain of creative genius is undoubtedly just a byproduct of the minds of gifted people, but when I see these little similarities it causes me to wonder if Cthulhu, or Manwe, or whoever, is not "out there" somewhere directing the sensitive towards an ultimate time or event. The sensitive have a greater effect on society than the average joe after all. Good cause for speculating and good cause for making those connections. . .whether imaginary or not. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] J.R.R.Tolkien And The Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/tolkien.htm J.R.R. TOLKIEN The Middle-Earth saga and the Illuminati I don't know if you have thought about it, but there are quiet some links between Tolkien's imaginary(?) world and the occult teachings within the Brotherhoods. You who have read "Lord of the Rings", and especially "Silmarillion", might know what I'm getting at ... My own first contact with Tolkien's world was in 1968, when the Swedish Radio presented "The Hobbit" as a summer-series. It was very well produced, with different voices for different characters etc., and I was totally fascinated. I could see the whole scenario in moving, 3D pictures inside my head and it was very real. I was stuck in front of the radio every morning the whole summer through, and when Thorin died in the end, I was crying - like if I had lost a long gone friend. I experienced the same thing a few years later when I read "Lord of the Rings" - the episode when Gandalf fell to his death in the depths of Moria (but later reincarnated). Through my teens Tolkien was a big part of my life, and when he died in 1973 I thought the world must have come to an end. Seemed like he had so much more to give, and still the masterpiece which I'd been waiting for - the "Silmarillion" - was not yet released. Terrible ...! However, his son, Christopher Tolkien, later put Silmarillion together and to my big relief it was released I think in 1977 in Sweden. Of course, Tolkien was a professor in the English language and a terrific story-teller, no doubt about that. But there is something more to it. Long before I knew anything about occultism, I had the feeling parts of his story was true in some way. Had Middle-Earth existed some time in the past? (Tolkien himself refers it to old England.) I did have the feeling already then, that the spirit reincarnates in a new body when we "die", so had I had any part in this "imaginary" world of Tolkien's...? Well, the following will only be speculations, but I think it is interesting to debate it. I will attach an e-mail address below, so you can give me your viewpoint on the subject, if you wish. When we discuss the matter of the Brotherhood, Illuminati etc., it's inevitable to make the comparison to Tolkien. Sauron is of course Satan/Lucifer with his Black magic power, and Gandalf is a member of a Brotherhood called "The Wizard's Council", which is a secret society in itself with magic rituals and esoteric wisdom. The hobbits would from my viewpoint be the ignorant Homo sapiens, who don't want to get involved and don't know very much about what is going on anyway. Just like in the world today, ignorant people are used for "greater purposes", without knowing what they're getting into. Then there are the orchs, of course. I can't help comparing them to the small, big-eyed grey aliens with their underground bases and malign intents. It seems like the Greys are hybrids and hence "created" and crossbreeded. So were the orchs, created by Melkor, the fallen angel. The funny part of it is (and I'm sure many Tolkien fans will recognize this), that you have a very clear picture inside your head of how the different characters in the saga look like. Sometimes you look at pictures drawn by artists, related to Tolkien's world, and you often get very upset, because you "know" that's not the way they looked like. The opposite also happens. You think, yeah! This artist has really got it! Right? It's interesting from this viewpoint to compare the power-struggle of Middle-Earth with the power-struggle on Earth today, as we know it from the magical point of view. Because that's just what it is - a magic power-struggle above ordinary people's heads. We are the "ignorant", the "sheep" and the magicians are the "shepherds" eager to keep the sheep within their fold, so they themselves can be busy with "more important things". Like some occult teachers, Tolkien got the idea to his masterpiece after he had been wounded in the first World War. He didn't know from where he got the idea, it just "came to him". Many occultists have had the same experience - some strange power just channeling through them ... Another thing is, Tolkien was a professor in Oxford, which is ruled by the Illuminati. Question: was Tolkien a part of the Brotherhood in some degree? Did he know the occult technology, or is everything just a coincidence? He himself said he used parts of the Beowulf saga and the old Icelandic myths, but that doesn't explain everything. Also, Tolkien must have been aware of the Sumerian scriptures. If you look at the Genesis in Silmarillion, you see the similarities both from old Sumer and the Genesis of the Illuminati. Eru is from this viewpoint Anu, the alien king/god in Sumer, and ainur would be the "annunaki". Melkor is the fallen angel, the teacher of Sauron, Lucifer as we know him. There is also another connection in form of words. Moriah is
Re: [CTRL] J.R.R.Tolkien And The Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I know we're supposed to be civil, so I'll be as diplomatic as I can and just say that this kind of textual analysis really challenges my ability to keep an open mind. At Fri, 25 Feb 2000 14:08:58 EST, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://mercury.spaceports.com/~persewen/tolkien.htm J.R.R. TOLKIEN The Middle-Earth saga and the Illuminati I don't know if you have thought about it, but there are quiet some links between Tolkien's imaginary(?) world and the occult teachings within the Brotherhoods. You who have read "Lord of the Rings", and especially "Silmarillion", might know what I'm getting at ... IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] J.R.R.Tolkien And The Illuminati
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The hobbits would from my viewpoint be the ignorant Homo sapiens, who don't want to get involved and don't know very much about what is going on anyway. Just like in the world today, ignorant people are used for "greater purposes", without knowing what they're getting into. The problem with this analogy is that in Tolkien's world, hobbits co-exist with homo sapiens... I too got involved with Tolkien -- and C.S. Lewis -- in the 1970s...and I read an interesting commentary, which I no longer have (so I don't know who the author was), entitled something like "Of Elves, Eldils, and Angels"... The author compared Tolkien's cosmology with that of his friend and fellow Oxford "roundtable" member, C.S. Lewis... Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, and the author pointed out how Tolkien's cosmology fit in (or at least did not contradict) Roman Catholicism... C.S. Lewis, OTOH, was a devout Protestant, and his works reflect that. But what is interesting is reading The Hobbit and the Ring trilogy, along with Lewis' "Perelandra" trilogy...it is obvious each author influenced the other (not surprising, since each was at work on their masterpieces and shared their works in progress at their weekly roundtable meetings)the influence is most pronounced in Lewis' final book of his sci-fi trilogy, "That Hideous Strength"...a book I have mentioned here before, a book which graphically depicts a "NWO" takeover, and what sort of society such a conglomerate (which utilizes evil metaphysical powers) would bring about... Tolkien and Lewis seemed to be writing on a similar theme, but front opposing spectrums: Tolkien at one end, in the distant past; and Lewis at the other, in the near future (or what was the near future for Lewis, who started his sci-fi trilogy in the late 1930s, and wrote the last book in the 1950s)... It's interesting from this viewpoint to compare the power-struggle of Middle-Earth with the power-struggle on Earth today, as we know it from the magical point of view. Because that's just what it is - a magic power-struggle above ordinary people's heads. We are the "ignorant", the "sheep" and the magicians are the "shepherds" eager to keep the sheep within their fold, so they themselves can be busy with "more important things". Lewis' first book in his trilogy is called "Out of the Silent Planet"...towards the end, we find out what this title means, as the hero (not so subtlely named "Ransom") is told by the Eldils (an 'angelic' type race) that of all the planets in the universe, Earth is the 'silent' planet, because it is basically under a blockade...it is where 'evil' has been banished, so that it won't spread to the rest of the universeand it's this blockade that prevents homo sapiens being in psychic communication with the rest of the universe...and it is only homo sapiens that can 'redeem' Earth and it's denizens (even the evil ones)... Of course, the evil spirits would rather make sure that humanity fails in this task, and are intent not only in taking over Earth, but the rest of the universe... The devout Christian that C.S. Lewis was, he is obviously alluding to the Biblical account of the struggle in heaven between God and Lucifer, and the casting out of the rebellious angels... Like some occult teachers, Tolkien got the idea to his masterpiece after he had been wounded in the first World War. He didn't know from where he got the idea, it just "came to him". Many occultists have had the same experience - some strange power just channeling through them ... Another thing is, Tolkien was a professor in Oxford, which is ruled by the Illuminati. Question: was Tolkien a part of the Brotherhood in some degree? Did he know the occult technology, or is everything just a coincidence? He himself said he used parts of the Beowulf saga and the old Icelandic myths, but that doesn't explain everything. I doubt Tolkien was into the occult...he was too devout of a Roman Catholic... Another interesting thing is that Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were both Oxford Professors and members of a secret society among the University teachers - "The Inklings". It wasn't so secret. Everyone knew of the group, it's meetings were held openly, once a week... The funny thing is the names the two authors used for their book characters. We already discussed Tolkien above, but also look at the name "Galgalum" here below, meaning "The Guide". Compare it with Gollum in Tolkien's world - he who guided the "Fellowship of the Ring" to Mordor. "gollum" is not a word Tolken made up...tales of "the gollum" go back to the Middle Ages, and referred to an artificially created being without a soul... C.S. Lewis on the other hand wrote the books of Narnia, a fantasy world with a Lion God (also a symbol of the "God" of Illuminati - Satan). Perhaps so, but in Lewis' Narnian cosmology, Aslan was
