Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of her husband's brain, Even in the commonly seen version she can be seen ON THE TRUNK OF THE LIMO. That's what I said...that according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back -- e.g. the TRUNK -- of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of Jack's brains and skull, which she continued to hold in her lap when she got back into the seat, and which she carried into Parkland and handed to the first doctor she saw, saying something like "Here, this may help"... This is her own account, which understandably is probably colored by the trauma and emotion she underwent at the time...but she very pointedly wanted it known that she was NOT trying to get out of the limo when she climbed onto the trunk... The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull, ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it... I am referring to an incident when Jackie was on THE BACK OF THE LIMO and the Yes, she was grabbing a portion of Jack's skull/brains which had been blown onto the trunk... secret service agent I saw very visibly pointed to the seat at which point Jackie is seen to make her way back to her seat. Yep. According to JACKIE's own testimony, the SS agent came from the rear car, jumped onto the trunk and directed her back into her seat... nothing ominous about it, according to her he was just doing his job, wanting to make sure that: a. she didn't fall off the trunk and hurt herself b. she was making herself an easier target by being out on the trunk... all. Incidentally, is Jackie going to go by any other than the official account when it is the highest police body in the country that she can see is part of this? Just who is she going to go to? Aristotle Onassis... ;-) I imagine words like, "If you do as we tell you, your kids get to be ambassadors, senators..." Perhaps. But I'll still give slightly more credence to the eyewitnesses who were directly involved than in any conjectures by 'true believers' who have turned their pet assassination theory into a religion... Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were being fired, "My God! They're going to kill us ALL!" Connally's wife...after he was shot FROM THE BACK...look at the film and photos...any shot from the driver would have had to go whizzing right by her nose... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:05:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's what I said...that according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back -- e.g. the TRUNK -- of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of Jack's brains and skull, which she continued to hold in her lap when she got back into the seat, and which she carried into Parkland and handed to the first doctor she saw, saying something like "Here, this may help".. I was in Italy at the time, and saw the film there. It's been a long time, but to the best of my recollection, she did not appear to be trying to get away. I remember seeing her pick up the skull fragment. She did not appear to be concerned about anything else. When they rushed the president into the hospital, they left her outside. She whirled around facing the camera in her bloodstained suit, looking totally lost. Then she turned around and ran into the hospital, pushing open the doors herself. It wasn't just Connally's wife who testified as to the "they're going to kill us all." During the interviews of everyone they could find, someone (I think it was the driver when asked what did the governor say when he got shot, said that Connally had spoken those words. It was a man's voice that I heard say it. At the time I turned to my husband and said, "Connally was in on it. He knew something was going to happen, and he was afraid he hadn't been included in quite all the plan." Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:37:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a man's voice that I heard say it. At the time I turned to my husband and said, "Connally was in on it. He knew something was going to happen, and he was afraid he hadn't been included in quite all the plan." Prudy Prudy, I am inclined to agree with you here. I believe Connally was in on it, or at least knew a LOT more than he ever let on. With good reason perhaps since he probably would have been killed otherwise. Jackie did go out onto the trunk to get a piece of skull IMO, after viewing the movie several times it appears so. Look at her arm movement it clearly looks like she is reaching for something, not like she is trying to get away. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- I would love to see this testimony. I've read countless books and articles related to the JFK assassination, and not once have I read anywhere anything about an escort or women civilian being killed during the assassination. Please forward your evidence related to these other two killings. Thanks-JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- When Jackie is "clearly seen climbing on the limo trunk," that is exactly where she went to retrieve a section of her husbands head and brain. This has been ackknowleged countless times in various publications, most importantly by Jackie herself. JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: I did not theorize the silver barrel, I saw it. I did not theorize the cloud of gas that was emitted from it, I saw it. I did not theorize that at the exact instant the cloud of gas is visible, Kennedy's head flew back, I saw it. I did not theorize that the individual in the passenger seat looked calmly back at Kennedy, turned back around, spoke to the driver, and that that was exactly when Greer's hand lifted, that then the cloud of gas appeared, and that at that exact instant, Kennedy's head flew back - I saw it. You saw none of these things. You HAVE seen an 'nth' generation copy of the Zapruder film, which may or may not have been 'doctored', which presents IMAGES which perhaps suggests such things to you... NONE of the actual eyewitnesses to the event, who were physically present in Dealy Plaza that November day in 1963 has stated that they saw the driver turn and shoot JFK...and people on the central divider of the Plaza who remained standing kept watching the limo, and would have had a direct line of site to the driver (being closest to him)... I am completely perplexed by the 'true believers' comment. It sounds like you are alluding to the fact that you have heard this story too often already. Has anyone else heard this before? Many timesit's not new... If what was in Greer's hand was not a gun, why the cloud of gas and why did that cloud coincide with his lifting of this long shiny object and with Kennedy's head flying back? How come this is on only one version of the Z-film and not seen on others? How come eyewitnesses didn't see him turn and shoot? How come you can't entertain the possibility that the version of the film you saw was DOCTORED to give you that impression? Really, I don't blame you. You very likely have not seen what I refer to. As a matter of fact, I have...at face value, it looks convincing... But I also find it suspicious that such images just 'suddenly' appeared, after 20 years...and that absolutely NO eyewitness saw it... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone seeing him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote? Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In shorthand: certain multi-generational copies of the Z film seem to show the driver, William Greer, turning and shooting JFK with a .45. Other prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening. The provenance and the extent of tampering with even the original print of the Z film is still hotly debated in the research community, however. Add this to the fact that Greer does slow the car down during the time of the shooting and that photos exist of an FBI man picking up a .45 slug on the opposite side of Elm just after the hit, and you can see why the driver-did-it theory still circulates. The person who originally set out to investigate this, Lars Hanssen, ultimately decided it was wrong. The person who popularized the theory, William Cooper, apparently still believes it is right. "Image of an Assassination" is available through the Konformist website, btw, at http://www.konformist.com, or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1/17/99 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . . -Caveat Lector- I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone seeing him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote? Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 3:18:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other prints, most recently the digitally enhanced version on the "Image of an Assassination" video, show clearly that this is not happening. I like the phrase 'digitally enhanced.' At any rate, where can I see this 'digitally enhanced' video or get a copy of it? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Jan 1999, Agent Smiley wrote: In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is shown and NOT the broader view. Only once have I seen this film outside the mainstream media and here the whole view was visible. Incidentally, from what I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this are no longer alive. No, there were a couple of people across the street who had a direct line of site, a father with his son, and a woman and her girlfriend...all are still alive and were interviewed in a recent JFK assassination documentary... The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him, which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window... The woman with her friend happened to have a movie camera, and so a SECOND film of the assassination exists (or did, at one time), and showing it from the opposite point of view than Zapruder's...but good citizen that she was, she called the FBI immediately and allowed them to take her camera with the film still inside...a few days later, they returned her camera, sans film...and that, as they say, was that... But even tho that film has taken a powder, she and her friend were still watching, and didn't mention seeing the driver shoot Kennedy... secret service agents were calm throughout. When Jackie is seen to be making a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get back in it. Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of her husband's brain, and stated that the thought of getting out of the limo never entered her mind... The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull, ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it... Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the fact that the shots were all being directed at it? Why not? What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and become a STANDING target? Go ahead folks. Bring it on. Start with character assination and name calling and attempts at discrediting. No need for all that. While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot JFK in the open like that... Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the Connallys notice it? I challenge all to tell me why I shouldn't report this here. 'Report' away...it DOES fall under the auspices of 'conspiracy research'...just be prepared to take your lumps, when others challenge your conclusions... June === The melancholy days are come, the saddest of the year, Of wailing winds and naked woods, and meadows brown and sear. -- Wm. Cullen Bryant: The Death of the Flowers === *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 10:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't get it. How could the driver shoot the president without anyone seeing him? Did I read this correctly, or did I misinterpret what you wrote? Please clarify, this is very interesting. Thanks-JOHN In every mainstream airing I have seen of the famous second shot, a zoom is shown and NOT the broader view. Only once have I seen this film outside the mainstream media and here the whole view was visible. Incidentally, from what I have heard, the 3 or 4 individuals actually standing near enough to see this are no longer alive. The gun rested on the driver's shoulder and at the fatal moment, it was only slightly lifted and aimed. A second or two prior to this, the secret service agent that sat in the passenger seat is seen to look calmly back at the president, who had already been shot once, and calmly turn back around speaking something to the driver. Within a second, the driver lifts his gun from his right shoulder, where it had been held by his left hand while his left arm lay cross ways across his chest. There was very little movement on his part. When the president is being shot at, anyone looking for any sense of what in the hell is going on would be searching the crowd for a gunman or looking at the president to see if he is alright. They are unlikely to notice the DRIVER lifting his hand about four inches. In this version of the film, a cloud of gas is seen being expelled from the barrel of the gun and at that exact instant Kennedy's face is removed from his head. I suspect that when the agent in the passenger seat was speaking to the driver that he was giving the location of the president's head in relation to the driver. Isn't it interesting that during the whole shooting spree, the driver never thought to push the pedal to the metal and get the hell out of there. Even without this key view that I speak of, it is obvious that all of the secret service agents were calm throughout. When Jackie is seen to be making a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get back in it. Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the fact that the shots were all being directed at it? It could be, IF the secret service already knew that the job had been completed. Go ahead folks. Bring it on. Start with character assination and name calling and attempts at discrediting. I challenge all to tell me why I shouldn't report this here. Incidentally, I backed this video up and forwarded it enough times to witness this about forty times. Some time ago, someone sent me to a website that was supposed to let me know what really happened in response to an allusion that the driver was complicit and a murderer, a political assassin. At this site, I saw an image of the very situation I here describe and I saw the gun. Apparently, the photo was not intended. I reported to the webmaster that that very photo contradicted his take on it and now the website no longer exists. smile Jim Norman: Within hours of the reported shooting of Kennedy, a retired Naval Intelligence officer, Nord Davis Jr. of Compton, S.C. flew to Dallas and began retrieving evidence. In a un-retouched photo (the copy of same that appeared in Life was airbrushed according to Mr. Davis) he clearly outlined a additional shooter, dressed in a black or dark knee length coat, wearing a business man's hat. He stood there with his hand outstretched in a shooting position. He is, in Mr. Davis's opinion, responsible for the shooting death of the woman who walked in his line of fire and who's blood was sprayed on the limousine's left side escort motorcycle officers, left side. The significance of the officer receiving blood splatters on his left side is that the only place it could have come from is from the sidewalk area to the left of the limo. Additionally, the right rear escort was killed with a series of shots to the head and chest. If you consider that the sidewalk shooter did fire at the limo, his direct line of fire would explain this evidence. In the Grand jury testimony, each witness described the shots NOT as a single report as a bolt action rifle would give, but a multiple report sound similar to a machine gun, or machine pistol. when asked to describe the sound most witnesses said "dat-dat-dat-dat-dat" or "da-da-da-daow" When questioned as to whether this was an echo from the surrounding buildings, each witness said no, the echo's came latter. Mr. Davis produced a publication with not to clear photographs, but the man in the knee length coat was clearly visible, as was the woman lying dead on the side walk. If you look at the life magazine front page, the woman is gone, except for her pocket book that appears to be suspended in the air or on the sidewalk. If you wish, I will transcribe
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- The father, quite understandably, thru his son to the ground on first hearing the shots, and placed himself over his son's body to protect the kid...so other than the initial shot, he didn't SEE much of anything else...but he DID testify to a bullet or bullets hitting the curb by him, which throws the whole Warren Commission scenario out the window... The folks I am talking about were not on the ground when the second shot occured. secret service agents were calm throughout. When Jackie is seen to be making a break for it, a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get back in it. Jackie was NOT 'making a break for it'...according to her own account, she climbed out onto the back of the limo to retrieve a sizeable portion of her husband's brain, Even in the commonly seen version she can be seen ON THE TRUNK OF THE LIMO. The secret service agent from the rear car jumped onto the trunk of the limo just as Jackie was gathering up Jack's brains and bits of skull, ostensibly in an attempt to protect the occupants (one would presume Jackie in particular)...nothing ostensibly ominous about it... I am referring to an incident when Jackie was on THE BACK OF THE LIMO and the secret service agent I saw very visibly pointed to the seat at which point Jackie is seen to make her way back to her seat. You seem to be talking of another segment, probably the one you were afforded the opportunity to see at all. Incidentally, is Jackie going to go by any other than the official account when it is the highest police body in the country that she can see is part of this? Just who is she going to go to? I imagine words like, "If you do as we tell you, your kids get to be ambassadors, senators..." Was the limo really deemed the safest place for her, given the fact that the shots were all being directed at it? Why not? What was she supposed to do, jump out onto the street and become a STANDING target? Go ahead folks. Bring it on. Start with character assination and name calling and attempts at discrediting. No need for all that. While I admit that there's a big question as to why the limo driver seems to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses out of there, THAT is as far as I will go in granting the driver may have been part of the conspiracy...I feel there were enough professional assassins in the crowd, they didn't need the driver to blatantly shoot JFK in the open like that... Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the Connallys notice it? Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were being fired, "My God! They're going to kill us ALL!" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- a secret service agent is seen sternly direcing her to get back in it. This agent is named Clint Hill, btw. He and Jackie later had an affair, according to author Edward Klein. the limo driver seems to have been inordinately slow in deciding to get their collective asses out of there, This is also established by the brake lights coming on. Besides, if the driver DID shoot, why didn't Jackie or either of the Connallys notice it? Who was it that testified in the trial that Connally said, as the shots were being fired, "My God! They're going to kill us ALL!" ...as opposed to just the one guy who had been set up to be shot. (The quote is actually from William Manchester's book, The Death of a President.) kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- Driver's name was William Greer. Agent Smiley wrote: -Caveat Lector- Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Ladybird Johnson did it. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 12:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . . -Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/ A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/"JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years/A - Many reports and web links. As always, . . . Om K - This web site placed here as a special courtesy for the United States Department of Justice. Click on the links below for review. THE LAST SHOT MEET THE MAN WHO KILLED JFK. HE IS STILL ALIVE! A man will try to sleep tonight in prison Somewhere in the midwest. Sleep won't come easy. Far too many memories of cold blooded murder and covert espionage nibble their way toward the inner shreds of his soul. or what's left of it... His cell is dark and damp An old guitar rests proudly in one corner. Hank and Willie songbooks lay in a state of disarray near the dingy sink next to the one towel he owns. A guitar pick made of empty matchbook covers and rubberbands is wedged between the rusty old strings and the instrument's battered neck Secrets rest here or merely dance in turmoil A life of murder and government orders intermeshed with organized crime and mom's apple pie. The air is still, the night is long a dreamer not, least he sleep. But sleep won't come the whole night through He'll tell too much if he talks The mob and the CIA have warned him already. His family has been threatened. There is no turning back now. It's too late. He has confessed In living color and in stereo digital sound on a piece of magnetic video tape Network quality Immortalized forever in American history. The warden created a special area for him. Only his friends are around him He shall not be killed by a young stranger with a mission They will have to work hard to silence him forever The warden knows he is telling the truth The warden's toughest job is to keep him alive for another 50 years. to serve his time... Inside his head are the secrets of history The early days of Vietnam and why we really fought there The Bay of Pigs The events that occurred in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. The assassination of a U.S. President The death of foreign Presidents.. The murders of thousands of innocent people worldwide. Armed violence Aggravated assault Explosives... Covert "black" operations.. He is sudden death to the leaders of the invisible government. There is no trace of his birth record. The CIA erased that years ago NEW JFK REPORT FROM DENMARK! THE REMINGTON FIREBALL XP-100 THE MOTEL AND THE PANCAKE HOUSE JAMES FILES BEHIND THE STOCKADE FENCE? DEALEY PLAZA MAP OF PARTICIPANTS 11/22/63 JFK MURDER SOLVED PICTURE GALLERY THE 3 TRAMPS - WERE THEY CIA? THE MAN THAT EMBALMED JFK CONFESSION EVIDENCE INVESTIGATION SUMMARY MORE EVIDENCE WARNING! The contents of this web site are the copyrighted property of Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. and Investigative Concepts Unlimited and are not to be reproduced, duplicated, copied or distributed in any form whatsoever without the expressed written consent of the copyright holders. Any violation of this warning shall be subject to criminal investigation by the FBI and violators may receive fines and time in jail or both. NEW REPORT ON JAMES FILES IN REAL PLAYER G2 FORMAT FBI DOCUMENTS ON JAMES EARL FILES PICTURES OF JAMES FILES AGES 10-12, 21, 34, 52 RESULTS OF FIRST LIE DETECTOR TEST ON JAMES FILES JAMES EARL FILES FAMILY TREE CIA PILOTS ON THE SOUTH GRASSY KNOLL CONFESSION EXCERPTS OF CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE MORE FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE 11/15/98 E-MAIL FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE! E-MAIL #2 11/15/98 FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE THE DOCUMENT THE CIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE! CHRISTMAS CARD FROM JAMES FILES WHO IS THIS MAN SEEN IN DEALEY PLAZA ON 11/22/63? - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not ap
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-Caveat Lector- Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 2:37:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' Well, well, well, is that so? Sounds like you have been listening to William Cooper, but you should be aware of some REAL "facts" before you put your foot in your mouth further. The man driving the Limo at the time was not named William Harris but William Greer. And he did not shoot the President from the front seat. If you look at the new video, "Image of an assassination" which has a very clear version of the film you can see that this is not so. UNLESS you want to argue alteration, etc., which some have done and continue to do. In any case the man is not Harris but Greer. This is not the reason (or at least is not the only reason) that this murder is still unsolved. The real reason is because of the governments role in the murder and their efforts to cloak that fact. Additionally one might want to consider the role of secret societies in this action as well, since a lot of the men investigating the crime and surrounding it, and prominent after the fact are all well connected in these societies. Check your facts before making such sweeping statements. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
