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-Caveat Lector- From http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html }}}Begin AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF KHAZARIA by Kevin Alan Brook, Copyright (C) 1996 Latest revision: July 2000. Of all the astonishing experiences of the widely dispersed Jewish people none was more extraordinary than that concerning the Khazars. - Nathan Ausubel, in Pictorial History of the Jewish People (1953) The Khazar people were an unusual phenomenon for Medieval times. Surrounded by savage and nomadic tribes, they had all the advantages of the developed countries: structured government, vast and prosperous trading, and a permanent army. At the time, when great fanatism and deep ignorance contested their dominion over Western Europe, the Khazar state was famous for its justice and tolerance. People persecuted for their faiths flocked into Khazaria from everywhere. As a glistening star it shone brightly on the gloomy horizon of Europe, and faded away without leaving any traces of existence. - V. V. Grigoriev (1835; from the 1876 book Rossii i Aziya, in the essay O dvoystvennosti verkhovnoy vlasti u khazarov, on page 66) Though the Jews were everywhere a subject people, and in much of the world persecuted as well, Khazaria was the one place in the medieval world where the Jews actually were their own masters To the oppressed Jews of the world, the Khazars were a source of pride and hope, for their existence seemed to prove that God had not completely abandoned His people. - Raymond Scheindlin, in The Chronicles of the Jewish People (1996) The history of Khazaria presents us with a fascinating example of how Jewish life flourished in the Middle Ages. In a time when Jews were persecuted thruout Christian Europe, the kingdom of Khazaria was a beacon of hope. Jews were able to flourish in Khazaria because of the tolerance of the Khazar rulers, who invited Byzantine and Persian Jewish refugees to settle in their country. Due to the influence of these refugees, the Khazars found the Jewish religion to be appealing and adopted Judaism in large numbers. Most of the available information about the Khazars comes from Arabic, Hebrew, Armenian, Byzantine, and Slavic sources, most of which are reliable. There is also a large quantity of archaeological evidence concerning the Khazars which illuminates multiple aspects of the Khazarian economy (arts and crafts, trade, agriculture, fishing, etc.) as well as burial practices. Origins. The Khazars were a Turkic1 people who originated in Central Asia. The early Turkic tribes were quite diverse, although it is believed that reddish hair was predominant among them prior to the Mongol conquests. In the beginning, the Khazars believed in Tengri shamanism, spoke a Turkic language, and were nomadic. Later, the Khazars adopted Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, learned Hebrew and Slavic, and became settled in cities and towns thruout the north Caucasus and Ukraine. The Khazars had a great history of ethnic independence extending approximately 800 years from the 5th to the 13th century. The earliest history of the Khazars in southern Russia, prior to the middle of the 6th century, is hidden in obscurity. From about 550 to 630, the Khazars were part of the Western Turkish Empire, ruled by the Celestial Bl ue Turks (Kök Turks). When the Western Turkish Empire was broken up as a result of civil wars in the middle of the 7th century, the Khazars successfully asserted their independence. Yet, the Kök kaganate under which they had lived provided the Khazars with their system of government. For example, the Khazars followed the same guidelines as the Kök Turks regarding the succession of kings. Political power. At its maximum extent, the independent country of Khazaria included the geographic regions of southern Russia, northern Caucasus, eastern Ukraine, Crimea, western Kazakstan, and northwestern Uzbekistan. O ther Turkic groups such as the Sabirs and Bulgars came under Khazar jurisdiction during the 7th century. The Khazars forced some of the Bulgars (led by Asparukh) to move to modern-day Bulgaria, while other Bulgars fled to the upper Volga River region where the independent state of Volga Bulgharia was founded. The Khazars had their greatest power over other tribes in the 9th century, controlling eastern Slavs, Magyars, Pechenegs, Burtas, N orth Caucasian Huns, and other tribes and demanding tribute from them. Because of their jurisdiction over the area, the Caspian Sea was named the Khazar Sea, and even today the Azeri, Turkish, Persian, and Arabic langua ges designate the Caspian by this term (in Turkish, Hazar Denizi; in Arabic, Bahr-ul-Khazar; in Persian, Daryaye Khazar). In addition to their role in indirectly bringing about the creation of the modern Balkan nation of Bulgaria, the Khazars played an even more significant role in European affairs. By acting as a buffer state between the Is lamic world and the Christian world, Khazaria prevented Islam
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-Caveat Lector- I'm happy to be able to refer all to research that will settle the "Khazar" issue. (incidentally, I'm not the two people below are communicating accurately with each other) -- Arthur Koestler, himself a Jewish scholar, wrote The Thirteenth Tribe which was on the New York Times best seller list for quite a few months back in the 1970's. In it he urges support for Israel but, but also urges that the "chosen people" line be dropped since, according to him, 70% of the Jews in the world today are descended from the Khazars in Russia who converted to Judaism, only 30% being descended from the Hebrew people of Biblical times. Encyclopedia Britannicas from about 1913 and before have the area of Khazaria on the maps dealing with the Middle Ages located in what today is called Russia. Also, the Book Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed covers this issue in some depth. Finally, and most devastatingly for those who are against the decisive evidence for the existence of Khazars who converted to Judaism in about the 11th century, thus destroying the "chosen people" defense for apologists for modern day Israel's numerous crimes against the Palestinians and Lebonese, -- see Ted Pike's book or videotape, The Other Israel, in which he quotes from, and identifies where, in the Jewish Encyclopedia the story of the Khazars and their conversion to Talmudic Judaism (as opposed to Old Testment Hebrewism) can be found. Case closed? Thanks. Jim Condit Jr. On Saturday, December 19, 1998 9:30 PM, Gerald Harp [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 4:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Well, it sounds like the ever plotting nefarious Jews have been caught with their hand in the jar again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- For one account, see (or download) 'the book' from: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trindx.htm The Thirteenth Tribe - by Arthur Koestler -- THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE Rise and Fall of the Khazars ISBN 0-394-40284-7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A Short History of the Khazars The following material is from PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE by Nathan Ausubel Crown Publishers, Inc. New York, NY, 1953. "There is abundant historical evidence that by the time of the destruction of Jerusalem there were securely anchored Jewish communities in the Hellenistic kingdom of Bosporus in the area where the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov flow together... the ancient Jews of the Crimea seem to have led a close community life centered in the synagogue and in the practices of their religion. The population of the Crimean Jewish communities increased greatly with the centuries as a result of a long series of major and minor revolts by the Jews against Roman rule, not only in Judea but in their far-flung settlements in Egypt, Syria, and Asia Minor. Thousands of Jewish refugees from those parts sought haven in the Bosporus settlements of Kerch, Theodosia, Taman, and Anapa. With the rise of the Christian empire of Byzantium the Bosporus settlements, too, fell under its sway. Because Constantinople, the capital of the empire, lay on the opposite shore of the Black Sea, the Crimean Jews carried on a lively trade with it. They prospered and attracted many other Jews to Crimea from other parts of the empire." -- page 129 "The Khazars, during the Byzantine era, were an aggregation of warlike tribes who, it is conjectured, must have sprung from Hun or Turkish stock... With dramatic suddenness the Khazars entered the orbit of Jewish life. One of their khagans (kings), called Bulan, was converted to Judaism about the year 740 C.E. and with him went the Khazar tribes. There was a tradition, believed by the Khazars themselves, that Bulan decided to become a Jew after he had listened to a disputation participated in by an Arab mullah, a Christian priest, and a rabbi on the relative merits of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. A later khagan, Obadiah, who wanted to establish the Jewish faith on firmer doctrinal foundation, imported rabbis and Talmudic scholars from either Babylonia or the Crimea. These founded synagogues and religious schools where they taught the Torah to the Khazar people. "The noted Arab geographer and traveller, Ibn Khordadbeh, wrote, circa 850, concerning the unusual linguistic abilities of the Jewish merchants of Khazaria, "that they speak Persian, Roumanian, Arabic, Frankish, Spanish, and Slavonic, and that they travel from the west to the east and from the east to the west, sometimes by land, sometimes by sea. The great overland trade route from Persia led over the mountains of the Caucasus thru the country of the Slavs, near the capital of the Khazars... Practically all the little that is known about the Khazars is derived from Arabic sources. The indefatigable traveller, Ibn Masudi, gave the following report in 954: "The population of the Khazar capital consists of Moslems, Christians, Jews, and pagans. The king, his court, and all members of the Khazar tribe profess the Jewish religion, which has been the dominant faith of the country since the time of the Caliph Haroun-al-Rashid. Many Jews who settled among the Khazars came from all the cities of the Moslems and the lands of Byzantium, the reason being that the king of Byzantium persecuted the Jews of his empire in order to force them to adopt Christianity." "It was about Ibn Masudi's time that the power of this unique Jewish kingdom began showing signs of crumbling. This fact is revealed in the strange correspondence between the khagan Joseph, the last Jewish king of Khazaria, and Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the celebrated Jewish vizier to the caliph in southern Spain. In his letter, Joseph informed his fellow Jew in Spain: "...I live at the mouth of the river [Volga] and with the help of the Almighty I guard its entrance and prevent the Russians who arrive in vessels from passing into the Caspian Sea for the purpose of making their way to the Ishmaelites [Arabs]. In the same manner, I keep these enemies on land from approaching the gates of Bab-al-Abwab. Because of this, I am at war with them, and were I to let them pass but once, they would destroy the whole land of the Ishmaelites as far as Bagdad." Apparently nothing the Jews of Khazaria did was sufficient to restrain the emerging power of the Russians. Only several years after the khagan Joseph had written his letter, the Russian princes succeeded in overrunning Ityl,
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 4:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Well, it sounds like the ever plotting nefarious Jews have been caught with their hand in the jar again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Khazaria.......NOT!
-Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Idiotic nonsense. Anyone who reads history knows Jews aren't Khazars. Before Khazaria even existed, numerous ancient witnesses doscumented the spread of the Jews all over the world, expecially everywhere in the Roman empire. The Jews now in Israel came from all over the world. Their presence there as authentic jews is predicted for the end times by the prophets. (See the last few chapters of Zechariah in the Bible for example) Jewish culture shows almost no central asian cultural character. Yes some Khazars converted to Judiaism in the early middle ages. The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Its the old Hitler trick on behalf of the European mostly non-Jewish elite sponsors. Once again, one has to look at the defining classification that's truly responsible, not the minority whose clasification has nothing inherently to do with the evil. I'm not going to be quiet, to let idiots keep spouting lies and win merely by the Nazi tactic of repeating such over and over. Could use some help thoughg. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. As much as I understand this, I think I must disagree with it. This topic was well-researched and explained thoroughly by Arthur Koestler in the book The Thirteenth Tribe. The argument should be made against his scholarship, not the distortions of racists or advocates of a particular religion. kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Are you then saying that people who call themselves Jews are not differentiated from other people in biological-genetic terms? Gosh, Dano, maybe the whole world IS Jewish. FWP. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Idiotic nonsense. Anyone who reads history knows Jews aren't Khazars. Before Khazaria even existed, numerous ancient witnesses doscumented the spread of the Jews all over the world, expecially everywhere in the Roman empire. The Jews now in Israel came from all over the world. Their presence there as authentic jews is predicted for the end times by the prophets. (See the last few chapters of Zechariah in the Bible for example) Jewish culture shows almost no central asian cultural character. Yes some Khazars converted to Judiaism in the early middle ages. The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Its the old Hitler trick on behalf of the European mostly non-Jewish elite sponsors. Once again, one has to look at the defining classification that's truly responsible, not the minority whose clasification has nothing inherently to do with the evil. I'm not going to be quiet, to let idiots keep spouting lies and win merely by the Nazi tactic of repeating such over and over. Could use some help thoughg. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om *** British Columbia-the world's first direct electronic democracy under development http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/BCPolitics; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Who the are you to talk while your ur hero Saddam is cowering in his unheated ziggurat? [Is he still wearing that ratty old WW 1 great coat?] And praying that a smart bomb don't hit him upside the head. BTW...Merry Christmas. Danno -Original Message- From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Khazaria...NOT! -Caveat Lector- Are you then saying that people who call themselves Jews are not differentiated from other people in biological-genetic terms? Gosh, Dano, maybe the whole world IS Jewish. FWP. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Idiotic nonsense. Anyone who reads history knows Jews aren't Khazars. Before Khazaria even existed, numerous ancient witnesses doscumented the spread of the Jews all over the world, expecially everywhere in the Roman empire. The Jews now in Israel came from all over the world. Their presence there as authentic jews is predicted for the end times by the prophets. (See the last few chapters of Zechariah in the Bible for example) Jewish culture shows almost no central asian cultural character. Yes some Khazars converted to Judiaism in the early middle ages. The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Its the old Hitler trick on behalf of the European mostly non-Jewish elite sponsors. Once again, one has to look at the defining classification that's truly responsible, not the minority whose clasification has nothing inherently to do with the evil. I'm not going to be quiet, to let idiots keep spouting lies and win merely by the Nazi tactic of repeating such over and over. Could use some help thoughg. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om *** British Columbia-the world's first direct electronic democracy under development http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/BCPolitics; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED
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-Caveat Lector- If you were Jewish you would still be kvetching.. But just a hell of a lot more. Dan -Original Message- From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Khazaria...NOT! -Caveat Lector- Are you then saying that people who call themselves Jews are not differentiated from other people in biological-genetic terms? Gosh, Dano, maybe the whole world IS Jewish. FWP. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Idiotic nonsense. Anyone who reads history knows Jews aren't Khazars. Before Khazaria even existed, numerous ancient witnesses doscumented the spread of the Jews all over the world, expecially everywhere in the Roman empire. The Jews now in Israel came from all over the world. Their presence there as authentic jews is predicted for the end times by the prophets. (See the last few chapters of Zechariah in the Bible for example) Jewish culture shows almost no central asian cultural character. Yes some Khazars converted to Judiaism in the early middle ages. The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Its the old Hitler trick on behalf of the European mostly non-Jewish elite sponsors. Once again, one has to look at the defining classification that's truly responsible, not the minority whose clasification has nothing inherently to do with the evil. I'm not going to be quiet, to let idiots keep spouting lies and win merely by the Nazi tactic of repeating such over and over. Could use some help thoughg. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om *** British Columbia-the world's first direct electronic democracy under development http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/BCPolitics; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Khazaria.......NOT!
-Caveat Lector- Straw man! Ad hominem! Quid pro quo!! Just ask Johnson for a second opinion on that. FWP. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- Who the are you to talk while your ur hero Saddam is cowering in his unheated ziggurat? [Is he still wearing that ratty old WW 1 great coat?] And praying that a smart bomb don't hit him upside the head. BTW...Merry Christmas. Danno -Original Message- From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Khazaria...NOT! -Caveat Lector- Are you then saying that people who call themselves Jews are not differentiated from other people in biological-genetic terms? Gosh, Dano, maybe the whole world IS Jewish. FWP. On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, Daniel Holly wrote: -Caveat Lector- - SNETNEWS Mailing List Idiotic nonsense. Anyone who reads history knows Jews aren't Khazars. Before Khazaria even existed, numerous ancient witnesses doscumented the spread of the Jews all over the world, expecially everywhere in the Roman empire. The Jews now in Israel came from all over the world. Their presence there as authentic jews is predicted for the end times by the prophets. (See the last few chapters of Zechariah in the Bible for example) Jewish culture shows almost no central asian cultural character. Yes some Khazars converted to Judiaism in the early middle ages. The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Its the old Hitler trick on behalf of the European mostly non-Jewish elite sponsors. Once again, one has to look at the defining classification that's truly responsible, not the minority whose clasification has nothing inherently to do with the evil. I'm not going to be quiet, to let idiots keep spouting lies and win merely by the Nazi tactic of repeating such over and over. Could use some help thoughg. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om *** British Columbia-the world's first direct electronic democracy under development http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/BCPolitics; http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex *** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust
