Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- But both the British and Americans fought valiantly and the important thing is, we are not the enemy. :-} I apologise if I offended anyone - my point was that there was a movement called America First which actively influenced american industrialists not to enter the war. It is said that the american government had advanced intelligence on the attack at pearl harbour, the ordinary rank and file - folks like my family and yours go out and fight valiantly for results that strategically are important for nation states but unimportant for globalists and their profits who make more money than nations. and IF the US government knew about the oncoming attack a week in advance and IF they redeployed some vessels it May be that the dead of pearl harbour had been betrayed. ??? and if so - was pearl harbour a deliberate sacrifice ??? - these are questions - maybe somebody knows the answer - but definitely no disrespect to the lives that were lost. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Chicago Sun-Times http://www.suntimes.com PEARL HARBOR / * 1/2 (PG-13) May 25, 2001 Rafe McCawley: Ben Affleck Danny Walker: Josh Hartnett Evelyn: Kate Beckinsale Doolittle: Alec Baldwin Dorie Miller: Cuba Gooding Jr. President Roosevelt: Jon Voigt Touchstone presents a film directed by Michael Bay. Written by Randall Wallace. Running time: 183 minutes. Rated PG-13 (for sustained intense war sequences, images of wounded, brief sensuality and some language). BY ROGER EBERT Pearl Harbor is a two-hour movie squeezed into three hours, about how on Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack on an American love triangle. Its centerpiece is 40 minutes of redundant special effects, surrounded by a love story of stunning banality. The film has been directed without grace, vision or originality, and although you may walk out quoting lines of dialogue, it will not be because you admire them. The filmmakers seem to have aimed the film at an audience that may not have heard of Pearl Harbor, or perhaps even of World War II. This is the Our Weekly Reader version. If you have the slightest knowledge of the events in the film, you will know more than it can tell you. There is no sense of history, strategy or context; according to this movie, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the United States cut off its oil supply, and it was down to an 18-month reserve. Would going to war restore the fuel sources? Did it perhaps also have imperialist designs? The movie doesn't say. So shaky is the film's history that at the end, when Jimmy Doolittle's Tokyo raiders crash-land in China, they're shot at by Japanese patrols without any explanation about the Sino-Japanese war already under way. I predict some viewers will leave the theater sincerely confused about why there were Japanese in China. As for the movie's portrait of the Japanese themselves, it is so oblique that Japanese audiences will find little to complain about, apart from the fact that they play such a small role in their own raid. There are several scenes where the Japanese high command debates military tactics, but all of their dialogue is strictly expository; they state facts but do not emerge with personalities or passions. Only Adm. Yamamoto (Mako) is seen as an individual, and his dialogue seems to have been rewritten with the hindsight of history. Congratulated on a brilliant raid, he demurs, A brilliant man would find a way not to fight a war. And later, I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant. Do you imagine at any point the Japanese high command engaged in the 1941 Japanese equivalent of exchanging high fives and shouting yes! while pumping their fists in the air? Not in this movie, where the Japanese seem to have been melancholy even at the time about the regrettable need to play such a negative role in such a positive Hollywood film. The American side of the story centers on two childhood friends from Tennessee with the standard-issue screenplay names Rafe McCawley (Ben Affleck) and Danny Walker (Josh Hartnett). They enter the Army Air Corps and both fall in love with the same nurse, Evelyn Johnson (Kate Beckinsale)--first Rafe falls for her, and then, after he is reported dead, Danny. Their first date is subtitled Three Months Later and ends with Danny, having apparently read the subtitle, telling Evelyn, Don't let it be three months before I see you again, OK? That gets almost as big a laugh as her line to Rafe, I'm gonna give Danny my whole heart, but I don't think I'll ever look at another sunset without thinking of you. That kind of bad laugh would have been sidestepped in a more literate screenplay, but our hopes are not high after an early newsreel report that the Germans are bombing downtown London--a difficult target, since although there is such a place as central London, at no time in 2,000 years has London ever had anything described by anybody as a downtown. There is not a shred of conviction or chemistry in the love triangle, which results after Rafe returns alive to Hawaii shortly before the raid on Pearl Harbor and is angry at Evelyn for falling in love with Danny, inspiring her timeless line, I didn't even know until the day you turned up alive--and then all this happened. Evelyn is a heroine in the aftermath of the raid, performing triage by using her lipstick to separate the wounded who should be treated from those left to die. In a pointless stylistic choice, director Michael Bay and cinematographer John Schwartzman shoot some of the hospital scenes in soft focus, some in sharp focus, some blurred. Why? In the newsreel sequences, they fade in and out of black and white with almost amusing haste, while the newsreel announcer sounds not like a period voice but like a Top-40 DJ in an echo chamber. The most involving material in the film comes at the end, when Doolittle (Alec Baldwin) leads his famous raid on Tokyo, flying Army bombers off the decks of Navy carriers and hoping to
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The US government knew that it was going to happen - and they actually 'redeployed' their best ships elsewhere leaving the 'rubbish' for their co-conspirators the japanese, I keep seeing the trailer in scotland '.. that america is a nation of weaklings and playboys ...' Wasn't it Lindenberg the pilot guy that was part of the America First Movement that actively blocked US participation in a European War - except for their global factories and banking - eg. german factories on the Ruhr were deliberately not bombed eg. Onasis tankers plied the mediteranean quite safely eg. Junkers JU88 got the Wolframite for their engine alloy from Australia eg. farber were into operating some concentration camps I keep seeing the heroic side of america from CIA controlled Hollywood but I have to be skeptical all the US supplied the Uk with were some old solid fuel frigates for the transatlantic run, then after all the unnecessary hassle of finishing off the german war machine - the US actively imports the German 'scientists' to carry on the good work. Its just the way that the US is portrayed - do you guys believe your own Hollywood Hype ?? andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- The USS Arizona went down at Pearl Harbour; a friend of the family was on that one. As for USA and England - my brother in law flew bombers over German from High Wycombe (home of Hells Fire Caverns) and later was on Jimmy Doolittles Staff in Asian part of war. Our men laid themselves doon and deed for those bastard English and the more I read of crap like this I am beginning to think we did fight on the wrong side. Remember the USS Liberty, the USS Cole, the USS Arizona and USS Oklahoma and all the other ships and brave pilots flying the bluebirds over those lousy white cliffs of what was once Dover. England ain't got no class and it looks like the Scotts are headed down under too. Hope Wales remains home of Arthur. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- As for USA and England - my brother in law flew bombers over German from High Wycombe (home of Hells Fire Caverns) and later was on Jimmy Doolittles Staff in Asian part of war. Our men laid themselves doon and deed for those bastard English and the more I read of crap like this I am beginning to think we did fight on the wrong side. there were only sides as far as the cattle were concerned - for as a detailed look at the Global Multinationals will prove to you - profit has no enemies or friends read the analysis of the components that made up Hesses aircraft and my family fought in those pointless conflicts as well - there were no sides really, in the first world war it was a bunch of english coalminers fighting a bunch of german coalminers in a muddy field far away from any real towns or factories. the only thing that got damaged were the poppies. My grandfather got a medal for taking out a german fixed fire machinegun singlehanded, oh the glory - but the reality was that the english and scottish and german coalminers would have been charging their own troops in pursuit of better wages and working conditions But I'm not desecrating the pointless waste of life, the futile waste of life that is a war for some misplaced notion of national greatness - the companies that run these wars have enough money and profit to make nations look like street urchins scraping about for their dimes the 'national pride' card is rather like being the employee of some very very poor corporation, but as the global trade treaties can show you - Global Corporations with factories in china, taiwan, america, germany, england, india, south america can easily bully nations like canada into accepting a bad deal - a multinational recently sued canada. The reality is that an entire village of my relatives fought and died for nothing, for the 5th Reich and all the nazi research and researchers still lives on doesn't it ?? Hope Wales remains home of Arthur. sad news for you there too - historically, 'north wales' was the central lowlands of scotland andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- but as the global trade treaties can show you - Global Corporations with factories in china, taiwan, america, germany, england, india, south america can easily bully nations like canada into accepting a bad deal - a multinational recently sued canada. Nobody has to bully Canada into accepting these trade agreements as Canadian politicians are lapdogs for mutlinationals and globalism is seen as something akin to Utopia by almost all pols and the media (barring the occasional whinge from the CBC mind you). But this is to be expected in a nation that yearns passionately to be the UN's model state - the perverse logic here says that in allowing our country to be dominated and dictated to by outside forces we somehow create a strong Canadian identity for ourselves. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Konformist: Pearl Harbor Sucks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Well, Andrew, I believe there was a little more involved than that. And bad timing as this is Memorial Day (Monday) when we honor our deceased military. Hollywood may have 'weaklings and playboys' but that is not America. We do not get our information from there but from our families and we learn of relatives who died and how. We know history text books are not to be trusted and try to learn the truth from as many records as we can access. I think it is mostly foreigners who buy into the hype, and tourists. Average Americans are very different and perhaps you are buying into something yourself with your denial. We don't like the Globalists, either. But speaking of America importing the scientists started me thinking~~perhaps I live in a rather interesting area after all despite it being rather rural . Many of the scientists went to the jet propulsion lab at Palo Alto in California but the majority of them came here to the Marshall Space and Rocket Center/NASA/Redstone Arsenal here in Alabama. I doubt that very many people ever think of them any more who do not live here as I do. There used to be only one German restaurant in Huntsville so there were frequently some of them there eating. One would see the wives shopping in small groups of 4 or 5, still preferring to speak German among themselves. I saw a once distinguished scientist so old and feeble he was being assisted to the restroom last time I was there at the restaurant. Really sad for we are genuinely fond of them and named the local civic center for Werner Von Braun. I wonder exactly under what conditions they came and if they had options or orders. A friend of mine has a daughter who was doing community service for National Honor Society and she was to take an elderly person living alone to lunch. I was elected to drive for her mother was at work that day. The lady was the widow of one of the scientists. During lunch we learned that she had had a child that died during the war and they never had any more children, she said, what with all the 'moving about.' The teenager continued to ask the elderly woman questions throughout lunch. At first, she seemed rather startled and maybe almost fearful when asked things such as 'how did you happent o come to this country? Eventually she seemed to realize the girl was just attempting polite conversation. The widow just said We came with the after the war effort. When asked if she would not like to return to Germany now, she did seem startled and said that the only relative she found after the war was now deceased and she knew no one there. Here, she said, she had five friend. I cannot imagine what that must be like for her, here in this country with no relatives and a very few friends so far from where she started in life. And actually sort of a child's school project. How 'long ago and far away' the Germany of her childhood must seem to her now. She is truly 'a stranger in a strange land' despite efforts to make it her home. And mind your manners, Laddie, for so very many in this country have Scottish ancestors, particularly in this area where it is about 100%. Rare indeed is the person who does not, so careful with the names. Look in any American phone book and you might be surprised at the percentage of names that are totally familiar to you. My own family is fraught with the Campbells, Kirks, Anderson and McIntyres. You are right about Gobalist knowing no national loyalties, only profit. But both the British and Americans fought valiantly and the important thing is, we are not the enemy. :-} ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- The US government knew that it was going to happen - and they actually 'redeployed' their best ships elsewhere leaving the 'rubbish' for their co-conspirators the japanese, I keep seeing the trailer in scotland '.. that america is a nation of weaklings and playboys ...' Wasn't it Lindenberg the pilot guy that was part of the America First Movement that actively blocked US participation in a European War - except for their global factories and banking - eg. german factories on the Ruhr were deliberately not bombed eg. Onasis tankers plied the mediteranean quite safely eg. Junkers JU88 got the Wolframite for their engine alloy from Australia eg. farber were into operating some concentration camps I keep seeing the heroic side of america from CIA controlled Hollywood but I have to be skeptical all the US supplied the Uk with were some old solid fuel frigates for the transatlantic run, then after all the unnecessary hassle of finishing off the german war machine - the US actively imports the German 'scientists' to carry on the good work. Its just the way that the US is portrayed - do you guys believe your own Hollywood Hype ?? andrew A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.
