Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-21 Thread Steve Wingate
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Jim, The Bible is mindcontrol bullshit created by a group of ETs bent on controlling
humans. God is a now dead ET. You are a mind-controlled slob like most of us. Get with
the plan and get real. You are currently defined as a chump by the real God, all of us.

Steve

On 20 Jul 2003 at 21:03, Jim Rarey wrote:


 Much of the symbolism in Revelation is explained in Daniel and other Old Testament 
 books.
 If read as a whole, the Bible explains (interprets) itself.

 The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple was prophesized by Jesus. That 
 was
 separate and apart from the tribulation he (Jesus) talks about later.


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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-21 Thread Jim Rarey
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Steve,

And just what is this "Plan" that I am supposed to "get with"?

JR

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Myth
-Caveat Lector-Jim, The Bible is mindcontrol bullshit 
created by a group of ETs bent on controllinghumans. God is a now dead ET. 
You are a mind-controlled slob like most of us. Get withthe plan and get 
real. You are currently defined as a chump by the real God, all of 
us.SteveOn 20 Jul 2003 at 21:03, Jim Rarey 
wrote: Much of the symbolism in Revelation is explained in 
Daniel and other Old Testament books. If read as a whole, the Bible 
explains (interprets) itself. The fall of Jerusalem and 
destruction of the temple was prophesized by Jesus. That was separate 
and apart from the tribulation he (Jesus) talks about 
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[CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Zuukie
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The wicky wacky world of these conspiracy 
researchers deserves attention. We start out with someone who said 
they will write for American Free Press which is a Carto deal. We 
then move to Carto describing the IHS people. As a side note it's 
interesting to note that the money came from an Edison heir, the same Edison who 
was involved with the Theosophists. And gosh Shannon, haven't you heard of 
the bible book called Revelations which plays a large role in end-time 
scenarios? The little article you posted shows so many parallels with New 
Age thinking it's a shame that Alice Bailey didn't get credit for some of the 
theories. Thanks Shannon for bringing forth information about the 
Libertarian Socialist network, the Nazi Overthrow website, etc. We all 
need to see the what's in the cesspool under your feet. 

ONE:
http://homepage.mac.com/lsf/others/020116billwhite.html
What others have said about Willis Carto
http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?fileName=lsn20020116184925.html
I Sign Deal With Willis Carto
Will Write For American Free Press
1/16/2002 6:49:25 PM
Bill White
Washington, DC -- I met Willis Carto today. Nice guy, a little wacky, but 
mostly pretty intelligent and pleasant. Definitely has a Hitler thing, but I can 
overlook that. Talked to him for just over two hours, and we reached a deal 
where I will begin writing 750-word pieces for his latest publication, The 
American Free Press (http://www.americanfreepress.net).
It was actually a bit of a funny scene today -- when I first showed up at the 
door they wouldn't answer it because they thought anyone as well dressed as I 
who wanted to talk to them must be a process server. Eventually I did get in 
though.
It was also a bit surreal. I have never been in a room where some guy comes 
and goes "Hey Willis: I just got off the phone with David Duke and he says hi 
from Germany."...
There may be some who wonder if my acceptance of this deal represents a great 
ideological change, but it doesn't. I will be choosing by own topics for 
writing, and the bottom line is that he offered me pretty good money to write 
'em, given how short they are
The conversation with Carto was interesting. I won't go into too much 
personal detail, but I learned all sorts of neat things like the Institute for 
Historical Review -- the nation's largest Holocaust denial/debunkal whatever you 
want to call it organization -- is now owned by the Church 
of Scientology. At one point, Carto whipped this cover off of this huge 
stack of paper -- like as tall and as thick as a filing cabinet, stacked on the 
floor, and went "That's my file on the Scientologists. They are evil 
people."
As another funny aside, I mentioned I had read a lot about him in the SPLC's 
Intelligence Report, and his only answer was "what's that?". Hehe


P.S. Bill White has written us to add:

  Willis Carto did tell me that he has no official relationship with the 
  American Free Press, and is only in their offices as an unpaid 
  consultant and a resource.
But of course he did. He used to say the same thing about his relationship 
with LSF/IHR -- until we found out that he had diverted in excess of $7.5 
million dollars from the corporation for his own purposes. If I were at 
American Free Press, I'd be worried about what "volunteer" Carto was 
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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Jim Rarey
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I know Shannon will say he doesn't necessarily endorse the anonymous 
article (it's not quite the same as an unsigned editorial) and point to "caveat 
lector" which precedes all articles posted. 

It is ironic that the author (whoever that is) tries to use the Bible to 
prove that which he probably doesn't believe anyway (I don't think Shannon 
believes the Bible either).

Just a reading of the 28th chapter of Matthew will prove the lie to the 
whole article. In that chapter Jesus talks extensively about his (physical) 
return (the second coming) and the signs that will presage it. True, he 
accomplished the purpose of his first advent which was to die on the cross to 
provide a means for the forgiveness of sins of believers and their eventual 
entry into the Kingdom of God.

In that chapter Jesus also relates how various groups of people will be 
treated according to what they have or have not done at the "White Throne" 
judgment, another purpose of his second advent.

Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as 
their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way.

JR
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:46 AM
Subject: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' 
Myth
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The wicky wacky world of these conspiracy 
researchers deserves attention. We start out with someone who said 
they will write for American Free Press which is a Carto deal. We 
then move to Carto describing the IHS people. As a side note it's 
interesting to note that the money came from an Edison heir, the same Edison who 
was involved with the Theosophists. And gosh Shannon, haven't you heard of 
the bible book called Revelations which plays a large role in end-time 
scenarios? The little article you posted shows so many parallels with New 
Age thinking it's a shame that Alice Bailey didn't get credit for some of the 
theories. Thanks Shannon for bringing forth information about the 
Libertarian Socialist network, the Nazi Overthrow website, etc. We all 
need to see the what's in the cesspool under your feet. 

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread William Shannon
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In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same way.

Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am not a Xian though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a no-brainer.

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread William Shannon
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In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

It is ironic that the author (whoever that is) tries to use the Bible to prove that which he probably doesn't believe anyway (I don't think Shannon believes the Bible either).

FYI, the article was actually the partial transcript of a radio interview with host Tom Valentine asking questions of John Anderson.

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Jim Rarey
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Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty 
scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different 
interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing 
all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds 
of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical 
death. Is that your hang up Bill?

JR

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From: William Shannon 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' 
Myth
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM 
Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of 
  Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same 
  way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has 
found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming 
lonely of late. I am not a Xian 
though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on many 
subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense 
of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful 
piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press 
shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel 
and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of 
so that they may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between 
airy-fairy new age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a 
no-brainer.Bill. 
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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread William Shannon
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In a message dated 7/20/2003 2:59:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is that your hang up Bill?

My only hangup is the Bears QB situation Rarey...what's your hangup?

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Zuukie
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Ah just look at the 
company you keep Shannon.
The little link 
in your post goes to theThe Christ Conspiracywhich is published by 
Adventures Unlimited, an offshoot of the Stelle group here in Illinois. 
That group was started by a channeler who then ran off and left the community 
here in Illinois to go to a more profitable one in Texas. The site 
describes the author and the outlets for her research. Really academic 
publications. However her identity 
is hidden, so no one can check on all of these academic references she 
lists. 
Of course you aren't a Christian Shannon. We all knew 
that.New Age is a resurgence of Nazism. Birds of a feather and 
all that.
---
Acharya S has gained mastery in several religions, as 
well other esoterica and the supernatural, and has a number of students and 
devotees. She is also the author of several books, including The 
Christ Conspiracy, Paradise 
Found and The Aquarian Manifesto: A Handbook for 
Survival into and a Blueprint for the New Age. Her current book is 
Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ 
Unveiled. Articles by Acharya S have 
been published in Exposure, Steamshovel 
Press, Paranoia, Abyss and 
Cyberculture Counterconspiracy II, Wake Up Down There! The Excluded Middle 
Anthology, as well as other periodicals 
and ezines. 

  
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  List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William 
  ShannonSent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:23 PMTo: 
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  Promoting 'End Times' Myth-Caveat 
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  message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Many of Shannon's postings reflect the 
New Age treatment of Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise 
that he feels the same way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has found a playmate for 
  her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming lonely of late. I am 
  not a Xian though by and large I am in 
  agreement with traditional Christian thought on many subjects, not all, but 
  many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the nonsense of dispensationalism 
  is a good thing regardless of its source. The wonderful piece I forwarded from 
  the populist (and indispensible) American Free Press shows clearly the true 
  Christian position regarding the "end times" and Israel and ought to be 
  something anyone calling themselves Christian becomes aware of so that they 
  may break free from the shackles of Zionism forthwith. Between airy-fairy new 
  age claptrap and murderous, racist Zionism the choice is a 
  no-brainer.Bill. 
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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread William Shannon
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In a message dated 7/20/2003 3:11:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The site describes the author and the outlets for her research. Really academic publications. However her identity is hidden, so no one can check on all of these academic references she lists. 

Acharya S. is an amazingly intelligent lady and her book THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY is TRULY mind-blowing...you ought to read it. I'd imagine she keeps herself somewhat anonymous because of nutcases like you and Rarey.
Read her book and you'll have no doubt of her credentials.

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread BillK
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Beg your pardon. There are 
Christians that feel the great tribulation was the Fall of Jerusalem. 
Revelation is a very symbolic book. 
-Caveat Lector- 
  
  

  Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty 
  scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different 
  interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing 
  all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds 
  of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical 
  death. Is that your hang up Bill?
  
  JR
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: William Shannon 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 2:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' 
  Myth
  -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/20/2003 1:02:53 PM 
  Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Many of Shannon's postings reflect the New Age treatment of 
Christianity as their main enemy. We can only surmise that he feels the same 
way.Oh thanks for the laugh today...glad Zuukie has 
  found a playmate for her wacky, "Jewishly" paranoid madness. She was seeming 
  lonely of late. I am not a Xian 
  though by and large I am in agreement with traditional Christian thought on 
  many subjects, not all, but many. Anything that shines a harsh light on the 
  nonsense of dispensationalism is a good thing regardless of its source. The 
  wonderful piece I forwarded from the populist (and indispensible) American 
  Free Press shows clearly the true Christian position regarding the "end times" 
  and Israel and ought to be something anyone calling themselves Christian 
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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Jim Rarey
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The Lion's offensive line. They can't protect any passer.

JR

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Myth
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Is that your hang up Bill?My only hangup 
is the Bears QB situation Rarey...what's your 
hangup?
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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread William Shannon
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The Lion's offensive line. They can't protect any passer.

That's for sure...2 wins a year for us...and only one more season of getting screwed by Favre it look like too. Get prepared for a Bears dynasty.

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Global Elite Promoting 'End Times' Myth

2003-07-20 Thread Jim Rarey
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Much of the symbolism in Revelation is explained in Daniel and other Old 
Testament books. If read as a whole, the Bible explains (interprets) 
itself.

The fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple was prophesized by 
Jesus. That was separate and apart from the tribulation he (Jesus) talks about 
later.

JR

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Myth
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Beg your pardon. There are 
Christians that feel the great tribulation was the Fall of Jerusalem. 
Revelation is a very symbolic book. 
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  Thanks for confirming my observation so quickly. I imagine it is pretty 
  scary for you when people actually believe the Bible. There are different 
  interpretations of the various events among "fundamentalists" but on one thing 
  all can agree, that there will be a tribulation period during which two thirds 
  of the earth's population will die. Fundamentalists have no fear of physical 
  death. Is that your hang up Bill?
  
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