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-Caveat Lector- 3/10/2003 8:39:09 PM, klewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, your stated objections to this program are based on unimportant externalities: where the course is being held; what that the particular city smells like; the fact that it's called an internship. And I respect your opinion. However, I will admit that most of what I am working on is impressions. As I pointed out, I changed my university programs because I wasn't sure I was getting the correct impressions about what I was learning. (Subsequent travels to Europe confirmed my suspicions.) I am well aware of the fact that I am not located in the midst of that about which I am drawing some inferences. Yet, we don't normally draw conclusions about subjects because we have complete and intimate knowledge of the events, personalities, and conditions of a certain body of knowledge or experience. What I am looking at is more along the lines of identifying the same kinds of things over time, a sort of trend analysis sampling sort of thing. Obviously, I've been to LA and have been in the area long enough and enough times to know what contributes to the 91-octane mornings and my impressions of them. Traffic and heat and inversion layers and smog alerts and how it creeps up over the mountains ... that sort of thing. The news tells us about some interns and I'm well aware that this represents a small percentage of the number who are/have been there and further represents a small percentage of what good or bad things get reported. That doesn't -- going back to my original comment -- distract from the fact that DC has quite a criminal problem, aside from the government activities. AnyTown, USA, doesn't work here. Maybe AnyBigCity will. And we have all learned from being in good places as well as bad. But when the location and the faculty is concentrating on one location that is supposed to represent all locations, therein lies my problem. We don't even know what the intern selection criteria is. We (they?) don't know who they are going to see and where they're going to go. Yet, if they are taken from places with the intention of taking them to a place that is the shining city upon the hill and they find that DC is not much different than where they came from, what's the point? Could they not have gained something similarly representative from their own -- representative -- state capital? In either case, they could have a guided (complete with blinders) tour anywhere. But sometimes the blind can even know more than the supposed sighted. Again, I am focussing on impressions (and a little research and some inside knowledge). I don't pretend to know all the ins and out, whos and whats, whys and wherefors, ifs, ands, or buts. But sometimes it makes more sense to not be overwhelmed by too many details in order to see what the overall impression is. I tend to be unlike the Pointilists who made their 'impressions' by memorising and categorising every dot of paint, they who were often too blind to even appreciate the work from a distance when it was completed. So, what they saw, they could not even see. A:E:R A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 9 Mar 2003 at 12:43, Euphorian wrote: -Caveat Lector- The post was actually something I'd been indirectly waiting for (wainting for something but didn't know what) given I've had a protracted case of writer's block; it provided the key to something I've been working on for a few months. Happy to have been of service. IMO, your stated objections to this program are based on unimportant externalities: where the course is being held; what that the particular city smells like; the fact that it's called an internship. You didn't actually say Some interns have been abused. These kids will be interns, therefore they will be abused, but you were flirting with it, and it could be inferred that's what your train of thought was. They're no more likely to be abused because they're in DC than they would be in their home towns - anyone who reads the news knows there are abusers of authority in every setting. Learning can take place in any location. The curriculum materials and faculty are far more important than what city. Anyway, who knows what the program might evolve into. Maybe they will at some point incorporate your perambulatory vision into the program. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- On 8 Mar 2003 at 18:15, Euphorian wrote: Gee, didn't you ever learn something from looking at a rock or a rainbow or a sunset? Nevah loined nuttin' by bein' in close proximity to a rose bush (no relation to any leaders presumed here) or laying on the grass looking at the sky? Of course - the nature of the human mind predisposes us to independent learning. Not being an animist, I do not accept that either the rainbow or the rose bush were teaching. However, this is attempting to lead us away from your rather disingenuous proposal that the internship program could not teach anything about the American ideal simply because it will be located in Washington DC. If you truly believe that, then you must also believe Harvard's program of Middle Eastern Studies is doomed to failure because Harvard is located in an American setting, or that any European university's program of American Studies will be unable to teach anything of value because of it's location. Of course, I know you really don't believe that. You just couldn't resist jumping at the bait I held out - an organization who has the audacity to mention the hate-America crowd simply couldn't be allowed to remain un-dissed. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://archive.jab.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- 3/9/2003 8:11:36 AM, klewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't gotta be an animist ... remember this nation was founded with Nature's God in mind ... Of course - the nature of the human mind predisposes us to independent learning. Not being an animist, I do not accept that either the rainbow or the rose bush were teaching. The post was actually something I'd been indirectly waiting for (wainting for something but didn't know what) given I've had a protracted case of writer's block; it provided the key to something I've been working on for a few months. American ideals are not found in their best form in one place, even Washington, DC. They are found in all the fifty states where all the Americans live. Again, if DC was ideal, lots more people would not have moved West. However, this is attempting to lead us away from your rather disingenuous proposal that the internship program could not teach anything about the American ideal simply because it will be located in Washington DC. The Hahvahd ME program is not doomed to failure UNLESS it ignores the fact that the focus of its subject is some thousands of miles away. One reason *why* I stopped being a French / European studies major was I lived in CA at the time, with no access to Frnace or to Europe in general. The point is one cannot know what Americans or Middle Easterners are like by seeing a bunch of eye-wash(ers) for whom the American ideal is confined to 535 people plus whoever else makes up the government or by living in New England exclusively. There are 50 other American capitals (at least), each addressing their areas of responsibility populated with people who are better able to teach and inform ANYONE regardless of religion, race, creed, colour, et cetera, about what their part of America is all about. If you truly believe that, then you must also believe Harvard's program of Middle Eastern Studies is doomed to failure because Harvard is located in an American setting, or that any European university's program of American Studies will be unable to teach anything of value because of it's location. Blame America is not what I concentrated on when making my initial reply. Again, it had to do with DC (not) being a centre of core American ideals. But given their statement, We are not looking for commitment to conservatism, he added. DC might be the right place to locate near that other conservative fellow Jerry Fall-Well or even his fellow con Pat Robertson, both of whom seems to blame American for the events that have given rise to a terrorist- inspired police state. And, being conservatives, they are confining their educational process to one very small section of the United States. If they were not so committed, they might venture forth a little more readily. Perhaps a week or two in each representative capital. In the NorthEast, travelling from capital to capital takes minutes if not just a few hours, saving time for the really nice places. In short, I am not really receptive to the idea of internship programs any more since our two most famous interns have been caught up with playing foul or foul play. Of course, I'll be addressing these things shortly in a larger context. It's kinda like you can tell what kind of city LA is when you can wake up in the morning and smell all the unburnt fuel and smog that settles down on the city overnight. And I don't love the smell of 91 octane in the morning. Similarly, I can't imagine that DC is immune from the odeur of its particular kind of criminal pollution either. I don't believe anyone is immune from a contact low and I don't believe contact lows are American ideals. A:E:R Of course, I know you really don't believe that. You just couldn't resist jumping at the bait I held out - an organization who has the audacity to mention the hate-America crowd simply couldn't be allowed to remain un-dissed. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. = === Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/22/01 6:54:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure it was just a software glitch. You know the one~~it has a tendency to do this when the post leans too far to the right. Other things can activate it also. LOL! Cute but I really don't think that's true...and by the way I too walk the fine line by mumming myself when I'd like to discuss the holocaust...s'pose you'd call me a revisionist or something...just seems like most people buy the Jewish party line and the facts just don't support that. Bill. === Poor Bill. Those nasty Jews just won't let you tell the truth about the Holocaust. It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it. J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Nah, he didn't say anything but all but 3 of my posts were rejected today. was discussing with Dale how we do not see the Bush family as particularly evil, given the rest of politicos, was ambushed by Linda Minor, whom Kris praised and no more posts for me. Will see if my 'punishment' is over. Just kidding! I am sure it was just a software glitch. You know the one~~it has a tendency to do this when the post leans too far to the right.Other things can activate it also. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Rejected posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/19/01 5:20:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, Bill, I guess I just got the boot from CTRL as I was rejected on my third post today. What do you mean you got the boot? Did Kris say anything to you?
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-Caveat Lector- On 20 May 2001, at 0:51, Amelia wrote: Just kidding! I am sure it was just a software glitch. You know the one~~it has a tendency to do this when the post leans too far to the right. Other things can activate it also. The one that really mystifies me is the one that edits out a portion of a post and sends the rest on to the list! -- Best Wishes Intemperate speech is a distinctive characteristic of man. Hotheads blow off and release destructive energy in the process. They shout and rave, exaggerating weaknesses, magnifying error, viewing with alarm. So it has been from the beginning; and so it will be throughout time. The framers of the constitution knew human nature as well as we do. They too had lived in dangerous days; they too knew the suffocating influence of orthodoxy and standardized thought. They weighed the compulsions for the restrained speech and thought against the abuses of liberty. They chose liberty.~~ Justice William O. Douglas A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 5/22/01 6:54:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure it was just a software glitch. You know the one~~it has a tendency to do this when the post leans too far to the right. Other things can activate it also. LOL! Cute but I really don't think that's true...and by the way I too walk the fine line by mumming myself when I'd like to discuss the "holocaust"...s'pose you'd call me a "revisionist" or something...just seems like most people buy the Jewish party line and the facts just don't support that. Bill.
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/22/01 3:59:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 5/22/01 6:54:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure it was just a software glitch. You know the one~~it has a tendency to do this when the post leans too far to the right. Other things It was either just a normal Sunday cleaning at aol or for the paranoid at heart perhaps the recent disruptions at various list serves had something more nefarious at its core. Quien Sabe? Qui est-ce souci? Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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I received no indication that my earlier questions and comments on chemtrails had been successfully transmitted by mailcity.com Yahoo is the only one that doesn't drive me nuts but it's already busy with prj and M.O.M. (M.O.M. certainly presents some astounding info at times.) -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:31 L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d) wrote: Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CTRL list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the "Subject:" line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Rejected message (131 lines) - Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24543 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed May 24 11:28:19 2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:19 -0400 From: "Byron R Wahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? X-Sender-Ip: 209.198.116.53 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand how the sickening aerial spraying is kept out of the 6 o'clock evening news. How? And why have no "scientists" taken up the topic. Which is worse, the media lid, or the aerial spraying. I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 05:49:04 nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A
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-Caveat Lector- nurev wrote: This may have come as a shock to you, but there were many people around who knew what the imperialist government was doing. And why. It seems that you haven't yet learned why the government does what it does and why it must do it all secretly. I'll give you a hint, it's not because they are democratically controlled by us. Thank God for that. How many innocent people did you kill even knowing the false pretenses you were fighting under? That would be hard to say... Why should you not be considered a war criminal? This is not a rhetorical question. You are free to consider me whatever suits your fancy... Why am I not surprised that you justify slavery on the basis of this superstitious nonsense? Your slaver ancestors used it for the same purpose. I am not surprised that you feel that way... While my "slaver ancestors" did indeed believe they were justified, they are all dead. Now they have been "replaced" by people who STILL advocate slavery... namely folks such as you... You seem to think it is perfectly fine for me to be forced to work for the benefit of others. I doubt you are smart enough to see the connection however. Gee that's too bad. War is heck. I'll bet the slaves just hated to leave your wonderful family. As a matter of fact, most of them didn't leave... They chose to stay with my wonderful family... But slavery was an evil institution. I don't know dude...you sound like one confused puppy to me. Rational thought is something you are not familiar with... There's no end to the evils perpetrated by people like you in the name of religion. It's in the NT that Paul tells slaves to obey their masters. The OT is much more libertarian. Biblical Israel was not a slave based economy as was Greece and Rome and their cultural offshoots Christian Europe and Christian America. snip You obviously haven't had much exposure to biblical teaching... Since you don't know what you're talking about, there isn't much point in discussing it with you. Slavery was not eliminated by the war... it merely changed its appearance. Do you mean to wage slavery? No, I mean being forced to give govm't fools over half of what I earn. Whether you wish to or not is irrelevant. You can't because we ( the society in which you live ) won't let you own slaves. You'll just have to live with it and whine about it. Poor guy. I don't recall whining about it... As a matter of fact, if you could read and understand simple English, you would have noted that I said that I do not wish to own a slave. Well Hawk, you've convinced me. When I grow up I want to be just like you. It would be a considerable improvement... Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- You are not authorized to send mail to the CTRL list from your [EMAIL PROTECTED] account. You might be authorized to send to the list from another of your accounts, or perhaps when using another mail program which generates slightly different addresses, but LISTSERV has no way to associate this other account or address with yours. If you need assistance or if you have any question regarding the policy of the CTRL list, please contact the list owners: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rejected message (51 lines) -- Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca (felix.vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05435; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13508 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA16704; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id PAA16693; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:55 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from felix.vcn.bc.ca by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA21853; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (fwpoley@localhost) by felix.vcn.bc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08927 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:38:04 -0800 (PST) To: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Victory City Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - SNETNEWS Mailing List For Future-Cities list. See http://www.victorycities.com. Seems to be one of the city-in-one-building designs like the Ziggurats of Keesy and Shimizu or Bini's Tower City which would be built on shallow coastal seas. FWP. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:24:26 -0500 From: Orville Simpson 11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: W Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Victory City I received your E mail of Dec. l8, l998 but there was no message. Could this have been lost in transmission somehow? Please try again, as I will be interested in hearing from you. Orville Simpson - Send "subscribe snetnews " to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Posted by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
