Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 10 Dec 1999, Das GOAT wrote: And having at one time studied nursing, I can categorically state that male nurses are rarely gay... Well, not here in San Francisco, and not in California, according to every patient I've ever talked to here. But this IS a weirdly skewed part of the demographic universe. Yes, I was going to point that out... :-) Here in the southern New England, NYC metro area, most male nurses or nursing students I've met are married and changing careers from something else to nursing -- some may have had prior medical training, such as EMT techs or paramedics, a couple were ex-prison guards...but most were laid off from office jobs and went into nursing because it's a field that's growing... At any rate, your comment on Safra's WIFE does seem to argue AGAINST a possible gay subplot. Maybe all the nurses in crime-haven Monaco are nice upright heteros ... Well, I also take exception to your categorization of female nurses being nothing but prostitutes in medical garb June *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-12-08 19:11:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there perchance a gay angle to this all? Hmnnn. Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that possibility. If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY "nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits (when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on call handle any medication needed ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY "nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits (when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on call handle any medication needed ... In some Eastern cultures this would be viewed as common sense. Ghandi slept with young virgins when he was older. By slept I am speaking literally with no intercourse. I think all those young female vibes can add years to an old dude's life. Intercourse would be avoided as depleting for the old fella. In China would do the same. You have the money, you get the companionship you can pay for. -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-12-08 19:11:14 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there perchance a gay angle to this all? Hmnnn. Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that possibility. If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY "nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits (when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on call handle any medication needed ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- Is there perchance a gay angle to this all? Hmnnn. Well, all the "male nurses" attending Safra DOES seem to suggest that possibility. If "I" were an aged bachelor billionaire living in seclusion in Monaco, MY "nurses" would all be barely-18 porno queens in skimpy French maid outfits (when dressed at all) ... Let the damned pharmacy and a private physician on call handle any medication needed ... Ignoring the blatant sexism in this statement, it also ignores the fact that the original news report stated that Safra's WIFE hid in another part of the apartment, and later begged Safra to come out of the bathroom when all was safea plea that Safra, for whatever reason, supposedly ignored... And having at one time studied nursing, I can categorically state that male nurses are rarely gay... June ;-) .-" +' "-.__, ,___, /.'.'A_'*`.\ (--|__| _,,_ ,_ |:.*'/\-\. ':| _| |(_||_)|_)\/ |:.'.||"|.'*:| (| | _/ \:~^~^~^~^:/ __, ,___, /`--'\ (--|__| _ |' _| _, , jgs / \ _| |(_)||(_|(_|\//_) `-.,,.-' ( _/ *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- Mystery Surrounds Safra Death By IAN PHILLIPS .c The Associated Press MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) - It was business as usual Tuesday at the Monaco branch of the Republic National Bank of New York underneath the gutted shell of a penthouse where billionaire banker Edmond Safra died last week in an arson attack. But one day after American nurse Ted Maher was charged with starting the blaze, mystery still surrounded events leading up to the Lebanese-born financier's death in the luxury seaside building. Did Safra really refuse to leave a locked bathroom where he then suffocated despite pleas by his wife and firemen that he should come out? And how did Maher, 41, described as mentally unstable, penetrate the inner circle of a powerful banker who was so concerned about his safety that he routinely recruited his bodyguards from Israel's elite security services? ``It's true that everyone still has many questions - the prosecutor, too,'' said Alexander Bruggmann, a spokesman for the Republic Bank in Geneva, Switzerland. ``But it's now a police matter.'' On Tuesday, police and prosecutors would not comment on the case. After a flurry of news conferences, Monaco reverted to official silence. The nurse, Ted Maher, 41, first claimed that two hooded men had burst into the penthouse before dawn Friday, attacked him, then set the deadly blaze. He was treated at hospital for two stab wounds. But on Monday with no evidence to support his version - and police patience dwindling - Maher, who was just about to be released from the hospital, confessed to inventing the whole scenario, said Monaco's chief prosecutor, Daniel Serdet. There had been no break-in, Maher said, according to Serdet. He stabbed himself, and then started the fire that killed Safra and another American nurse, Viviane Torrent, who also hid in the bathroom. Maher said he didn't want to kill Safra: instead he was convinced he would emerge the hero who rushed his employer to safety in a bathroom while fending off the attackers. He set the fire to make the scene even more dramatic, he told investigators. He was charged with arson, jailed, and faces a life term. Despite the confession, it could be months - if not longer - before the many questions are answered. Investigators say Safra was paralyzed by fear and refused to come out of the locked bathroom, even though it was filling with smoke and firemen and his wife were telling him it was safe to come out. But a source with detailed knowledge of the case said that version was ``totally untrue.'' Safra had called police twice while coughing in the smoke-filled bathroom and begged them to get him out, the source said. An investigator in the Monaco prosecutor's office said Safra did call police once to alert them to a break-in, but denied the fire had already started. Secondly, could the firefighters have acted more quickly to extinguish the fire, which started in a paper-filled wastebasket and devastated the whole top floor? Finally, it remained unclear how Maher, who Serdet said was mentally unstable and took large doses of sedatives, could have got through security vetting. Security was not something Safra took lightly. His penthouse overlooking the Mediterranean was fortress-like, with bulletproof doors and windows. Surveillance cameras were posted inside and outside the building. Reports have said Safra's security chief, absent at the time of the attack, was Israeli-trained and that the banker had been protected by former Israeli security agents since 1985. Prosecutors said security was so tight at the penthouse that confident Safra had instructed his chief guard to remain at his other residence: a high-walled villa on the Cote d'Azur, once used as a summer home by Belgian royalty. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery
-Caveat Lector- Is there perchance a gay angle to this all? Hmnnn.. -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 08, 1999 4:55 AM Subject: [CTRL] Safra Death a Mystery -Caveat Lector- Mystery Surrounds Safra Death By IAN PHILLIPS .c The Associated Press MONTE CARLO, Monaco (AP) - It was business as usual Tuesday at the Monaco branch of the Republic National Bank of New York underneath the gutted shell of a penthouse where billionaire banker Edmond Safra died last week in an arson attack. But one day after American nurse Ted Maher was charged with starting the blaze, mystery still surrounded events leading up to the Lebanese-born financier's death in the luxury seaside building. Did Safra really refuse to leave a locked bathroom where he then suffocated despite pleas by his wife and firemen that he should come out? And how did Maher, 41, described as mentally unstable, penetrate the inner circle of a powerful banker who was so concerned about his safety that he routinely recruited his bodyguards from Israel's elite security services? ``It's true that everyone still has many questions - the prosecutor, too,'' said Alexander Bruggmann, a spokesman for the Republic Bank in Geneva, Switzerland. ``But it's now a police matter.'' On Tuesday, police and prosecutors would not comment on the case. After a flurry of news conferences, Monaco reverted to official silence. The nurse, Ted Maher, 41, first claimed that two hooded men had burst into the penthouse before dawn Friday, attacked him, then set the deadly blaze. He was treated at hospital for two stab wounds. But on Monday with no evidence to support his version - and police patience dwindling - Maher, who was just about to be released from the hospital, confessed to inventing the whole scenario, said Monaco's chief prosecutor, Daniel Serdet. There had been no break-in, Maher said, according to Serdet. He stabbed himself, and then started the fire that killed Safra and another American nurse, Viviane Torrent, who also hid in the bathroom. Maher said he didn't want to kill Safra: instead he was convinced he would emerge the hero who rushed his employer to safety in a bathroom while fending off the attackers. He set the fire to make the scene even more dramatic, he told investigators. He was charged with arson, jailed, and faces a life term. Despite the confession, it could be months - if not longer - before the many questions are answered. Investigators say Safra was paralyzed by fear and refused to come out of the locked bathroom, even though it was filling with smoke and firemen and his wife were telling him it was safe to come out. But a source with detailed knowledge of the case said that version was ``totally untrue.'' Safra had called police twice while coughing in the smoke-filled bathroom and begged them to get him out, the source said. An investigator in the Monaco prosecutor's office said Safra did call police once to alert them to a break-in, but denied the fire had already started. Secondly, could the firefighters have acted more quickly to extinguish the fire, which started in a paper-filled wastebasket and devastated the whole top floor? Finally, it remained unclear how Maher, who Serdet said was mentally unstable and took large doses of sedatives, could have got through security vetting. Security was not something Safra took lightly. His penthouse overlooking the Mediterranean was fortress-like, with bulletproof doors and windows. Surveillance cameras were posted inside and outside the building. Reports have said Safra's security chief, absent at the time of the attack, was Israeli-trained and that the banker had been protected by former Israeli security agents since 1985. Prosecutors said security was so tight at the penthouse that confident Safra had instructed his chief guard to remain at his other residence: a high-walled villa on the Cote d'Azur, once used as a summer home by Belgian royalty. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL
