Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-30 Thread Nurev Ind
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At 08:30 AM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
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In a message dated 1/29/2003
8:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

Many Palestinians have said that they fear a worsening of the Middle
East
crisis during a second term in power for Mr Sharon. You have Sharon
in a
new government, a war against Iraq imminent, the disappearance of
the
peace process: all these factors, said Palestinian cabinet minister
Saeb
Erekat.

Well not so much a worsening as an elimination. I foresee that
since all Israeli have been vaccinated against smallpox (and not with
that killer thing we're getting here; they've developed a decent vaccine
for Israeli use), and as soon as the war with Iraq gets going, there will
be a sudden bio attack of smallpox on Israel which will of
course be blamed on Saddam. It will not sicken the Israeli, but
the the unvaccinated Palestinians will die off, and Israel's major
problem will be solved. I guess it's a modern enactment of
that old saw, killing two birds with one stone. Ah
well. Prudy
Do you even realize what you just did you silly old cow?
You just recreated the old  blood libel  of the Jews
poisoning the well.
The Jews causing the black plague.
If you want to know why we support Israel, YOU and people like you are
the reason.
We know that not much really changes with you people. Fortunately, Israel
can and will
do whatever it needs to do to exist.
If you don't like it, tough shit.
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-30 Thread Nurev Ind
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At 05:27 PM 1/29/03 -0500, you wrote:
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In a message dated 1/29/2003
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BTW – anything that Jewwish
citizens get in Israel, the Muslim citizens will also
get

Well they didn't get the gas masks, but maybe they are getting smallpox
vaccinations. I heard the business of the vaccine on
television. I wish I could remember just which. It might have
been C-SPAN. I remember being quite envious that Israel had come up
with a good vaccine that didn't have the side effects our does. If
I can locate a reference somewhere, I'll put it on.
Prudy 
Not surprisingly, you don't even know who the players are in this game.

Israeli Arabs, AKA Palestinians who stayed and became citizens of
Israel,
did get gas masks. 
 Palestinians, who are NOT Israeli citizens, and who cheered
Sadam as he rained down
Scuds on Israel, didn't get gas masks from the Israeli government nor
should they have.
They were not the targets. And if they wanted gas masks, they should have
asked you to 
send them some.
J2



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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-30 Thread Prudy L
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In a message dated 1/30/2003 9:46:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Palestinians," who are NOT Israeli citizens, and who cheered Sadam as he rained down
Scuds on Israel, didn't get gas masks from the Israeli government nor should they have.
They were not the targets. And if they wanted gas masks, they should have asked you to 
send them some.



My, my. I would have thought the 14 billion a year would have stretched to that. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-30 Thread Prudy L
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We know that not much really changes with you people. Fortunately, Israel can and will
do whatever it needs to do to exist.

I love the "you people" bit. Israel certainly will do whatever it wants. I'm delighted that YOU PEOPLE are seeing to that. Prudy
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[CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread Euphorian
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10.45am update
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,884534,00.html
Sharon calls for unity government

Staff and agencies
Wednesday January 29, 2003
The Guardian

The Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, today called for a national unity
government against what he described as the murderous hatred of
Palestinian militants. The call came after his Likud party had secured a
resounding election victory.

However, Mr Sharon's efforts to form a broad-based coalition are likely to
be thwarted by the defeated Labour party. That would leave him little
choice but to ally with religious and ultra-nationalist parties that oppose
US and European-backed peace moves and demand a tougher stance
against the Palestinians.

Israel TV quoted Mr Sharon as saying, off-camera, that he would rather call
fresh elections than preside over such a narrow coalition.

Before debate over the coalition began, Mr Sharon savoured victory. The
74-year-old, who was elected in February 2001, achieved what no Israeli
prime minister has managed since 1961: calling an early election and
winning.

Likud almost doubled its strength, going from 19 to 37 seats in the 120-
member parliament. Its main political rival, centre-left Labour, recorded its
worst-ever showing in dropping from 26 to 19 seats.

In a triple front page headline, this morning's Yediot Ahronot newspaper
said: Sharon wins, the left crashes, Lapid leaps. The latter reference was
to pundit turned politician Yosef Tommy Lapid, head of the centrist
Shinui party, which more than doubled its strength to 15 seats and became
the third-largest faction in parliament.

Mr Lapid has further complicated the issue of a coalition by insisting that
his party would join a grouping with Likud and Labour, but not with
religious parties.

We think that the country is facing very grave crises and a narrow right-
wing government is not the solution to this, he told Army Radio.

For Mr Sharon, setting up a secular government would mean breaking a
strategic alliance with Shas, an ultra-Orthodox party representing Jews
whose families originated in Arabic-speaking countries. The Israeli prime
minister profited from the electorate's shift to the right in response to the
conflict with the Palestinians. Many Israelis feel that the Palestinians
turned their backs on negotiation to launch an uprising 28 months ago.
The election results indicate that many voters blame Labour, which led
the failed peace talks, for the current troubles.

Addressing Likud supporters in Tel Aviv early today, Mr Sharon said that
the Israelis must unite against external threats. The differences between
us are dwarfed by the murderous hatred of the terror organisations, he
said.

The prime minister has said that he wants to revive his 20-month alliance
with Labour following its collapse last November. However, he did not
mention the party by name in his victory speech, and did not offer policy
incentives that might tempt Labour to reverse a campaign promise to stay
out of a government led by Mr Sharon.

There's no doubt that Likud can go and establish a right-wing, nationalist
government based on yesterday's results, Limor Livnat, a Likud cabinet
minister, told Israel Radio.

But the prime minister has said all the way that he supports, with all his
heart, a broad national unity government, because the challenges we are
facing now are especially difficult, she added.

Israeli commentators also said that Mr Sharon wanted to avoid presiding
over a narrow, right-wing government because it would limit his political
options and be prone to collapse.

A right-wing government would severely reduce the political manoeuvring
in facing the Americans and make it difficult for (Mr Sharon) to find a way
out of the economic collapse, columnist Nahum Barnea wrote in Yediot
Ahronot.

In his concession speech, Mr Mitzna pledged to lead a spirited opposition
and prepare Labour for the next election. Politics are a marathon, and we
are only in the first few kilometers, the 57-year-old said.

It is no shame to be in opposition, and I promise you that our time there
will be short, he added.

However, Labour's disappointing showing has resulted in growing
speculation that the party could try to depose of Mr Mitzna, who took
over as leader only two months ago.

Yossi Sarid, the leader of Meretz, a party associated with peace moves
toward the Palestinians, resigned after it had dropped from six seats from
10 in the outgoing parliament.

Many Palestinians have said that they fear a worsening of the Middle East
crisis during a second term in power for Mr Sharon. You have Sharon in a
new government, a war against Iraq imminent, the disappearance of the
peace process: all these factors, said Palestinian cabinet minister Saeb
Erekat.

During the vote, the Israeli military imposed stringent travel bans in the
Palestinian areas, including curfews confining hundreds of thousands of
West Bank residents to their homes. Mr Sharon has 

Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread Prudy L
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In a message dated 1/29/2003 8:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Many Palestinians have said that they fear a worsening of the Middle East
crisis during a second term in power for Mr Sharon. "You have Sharon in a
new government, a war against Iraq imminent, the disappearance of the
peace process: all these factors," said Palestinian cabinet minister Saeb
Erekat.


Well not so much a worsening as an elimination. I foresee that since all Israeli have been vaccinated against smallpox (and not with that killer thing we're getting here; they've developed a decent vaccine for Israeli use), and as soon as the war with Iraq gets going, there will be a sudden "bio attack" of smallpox on Israel which will of course be blamed on Saddam. It will not sicken the Israeli, but the the unvaccinated Palestinians will die off, and Israel's major problem will be solved. I guess it's a modern enactment of that old saw, "killing two birds with one stone." Ah well. Prudy



 
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread thew
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Can you cite a source for this info on a different vaccine, or is this just fantasy?

BTW  anything that Jewish citizens get in Israel, the Muslim citizens will also get

on 01/29/03 8:30 AM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Well not so much a worsening as an elimination. I foresee that since all Israeli have been vaccinated against smallpox (and not with that killer thing we're getting here; they've developed a decent vaccine for Israeli use), and as soon as the war with Iraq gets going, there will be a sudden bio attack of smallpox on Israel which will of course be blamed on Saddam. It will not sicken the Israeli, but the the unvaccinated Palestinians will die off, and Israel's major problem will be solved. I guess it's a modern enactment of that old saw, killing two birds with one stone. Ah well. Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread Euphorian
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1/29/2003 7:30:15 AM, Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Well not so much a worsening as an elimination.  I foresee that since all
  Israeli have been vaccinated against smallpox (and not with that killer
  thing we're getting here; they've developed a decent vaccine for Israeli
  use), and as soon as the war with Iraq gets going, there will be a sudden
  bio attack of smallpox on Israel which will of course be blamed on
  Saddam.  It will not sicken the Israeli, but the  the unvaccinated
  Palestinians will die off, and Israel's major problem will be solved.   I
  guess it's a modern enactment of that old saw, killing two birds with
  one stone.  Ah well.  Prudy

This is not far-fetched.  With the less mature of the English-inspired
governments of the world, the image of English and their treatment of
their far-flung subjects and enemies should be quite fresh.  After all,
there were the Original Americans who were given the smallpox infested
blankets in the 18th century that wiped out a significant number of them.
Perhaps the budding pols tend to think we'll roll over on their situations as
they think Americans (who were not yet Americans) rolled over for the
blanket policy.
http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html
 Smallpox blankets

 Despite his fame, Jeffrey Amherst's name became tarnished by stories of
smallpox-infected blankets used as germ warfare against American Indians.
These stories are reported, for example, in Carl Waldman's Atlas of the
North American Indian [NY: Facts on File, 1985]. Waldman writes, in
reference to a siege of Fort Pitt (Pittsburgh) by Chief Pontiac's forces
during the summer of 1763:

 ... Captain Simeon Ecuyer had bought time by sending smallpox-infected
blankets and handkerchiefs to the Indians surrounding the fort -- an early
example of biological warfare -- which started an epidemic among them.
Amherst himself had encouraged this tactic in a letter to Ecuyer. [p. 108]

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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread Branko @ 10s
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WEll, 
i have never heard of such vaccination or they have deliberatly skipped me. Hmm, 
smells like a conspiracy against ME!

Branko, Jerusalem

  
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  8:10:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Many Palestinians have said that they fear a worsening of 
the Middle Eastcrisis during a second term in power for Mr Sharon. "You 
have Sharon in anew government, a war against Iraq imminent, the 
disappearance of thepeace process: all these factors," said Palestinian 
cabinet minister SaebErekat.Well not so much a 
  worsening as an elimination. I foresee that since all Israeli have been 
  vaccinated against smallpox (and not with that killer thing we're getting 
  here; they've developed a decent vaccine for Israeli use), and as soon as the 
  war with Iraq gets going, there will be a sudden "bio attack" of smallpox on 
  Israel which will of course be blamed on Saddam. It will not sicken the 
  Israeli, but the the unvaccinated Palestinians will die off, and 
  Israel's major problem will be solved. I guess it's a modern 
  enactment of that old saw, "killing two birds with one stone." Ah 
  well. Prudy A 
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

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-Caveat Lector- WEll, i have never heard of such vaccination or they have deliberatly skipped me. Hmm, smells like a conspiracy against ME!


Maybe it is. I heard about this on television. I thought how nice it must be to have a decent vaccine, since the one we all had to take in the old days didn't have the side effects that seem to plague this one. The individual talking said that all Israeli were being vaccinated. Sounded good to me. Of course, television news has been wrong before. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] Sharon calls

2003-01-29 Thread Prudy L
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BTW – anything that Jewish citizens get in Israel, the Muslim citizens will also get


Well they didn't get the gas masks, but maybe they are getting smallpox vaccinations. I heard the business of the vaccine on television. I wish I could remember just which. It might have been C-SPAN. I remember being quite envious that Israel had come up with a good vaccine that didn't have the side effects our does. If I can locate a reference somewhere, I'll put it on. Prudy
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