Re: [CTRL] Sticks And Stones Vs. Bullets

2000-10-24 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 Meanwhile, his soldiers killed another four Palestinians yesterday,
including
 a 14-year-old stone-thrower. The killings brought the death toll in 25 days
 of violence to 122, all but eight of the victims Arabs.

 But Barak blamed the Palestinians, saying: "Israel totally rejects the
 language of threats that came out of the summit and condemns the call, folded
 into the decisions, for continued violence. 

Yes, thanks to God that the Israeli are a peaceful, peace loving people.
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Sticks And Stones Vs. Bullets

2000-10-24 Thread Stopforth, Jamie
Title: RE: [CTRL] Sticks And Stones Vs. Bullets





But then again, the Arabs can attack Israel, and Arafat can tell Barak to go to hell... Yeah, the Arabs are the nice guys aren't they? I mean blowing a suicidal hole in a military ship is nice isn't it... Yeah, nice people they are. It's not their fault Arafat is a known terrorist, he's a nice fella... I'm sure we can trust anything he says according to the peace process. 

Jamie






Israelis condemn language of threat as troops kill four
BY JACQUI GODDARD
FOREIGN EDITOR
http://www.lineone.net/express/
ISRAELI Prime Minister Ehud Barak threw in the towel on the peace process on
Sunday, blaming Arab leaders for speaking the language of threats as his
troops shot dead four more people.


While Palestinians condemned the emergency Arab League summit in Cairo for
going soft on Barak, declaring it a whimper rather than a bang for its
failure to take decisive punitive action against Israel, the Prime Minister
complained that the meeting had been too heavy on the rhetoric.


The summit's declaration of support for the Palestinian uprising and refusal
to reign- in violence merited a time-out on the peace, he said.


Meanwhile, his soldiers killed another four Palestinians yesterday, including
a 14-year-old stone-thrower. The killings brought the death toll in 25 days
of violence to 122, all but eight of the victims Arabs.


But Barak blamed the Palestinians, saying: Israel totally rejects the
language of threats that came out of the summit and condemns the call, folded
into the decisions, for continued violence.


We will continue to view peace ... as the eventual goal, but not a peace
that is achieved at any price while surrendering to violence. In an official
statement, Barak was quoted as telling his cabinet that he was suspending the
peace process started under the Oslo accord of 1993.


We will have to take a time-out, whose purpose is to re-assess the peace
process in response to the events of recent weeks, he stated.


Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said Barak's move came as no surprise.


I expected this from him, he shrugged. It's not the first time.


As the language of diplomacy crumbled, he reaffirmed his quest for a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, adding that if Barak didn't
like the idea, he could go to hell.


Amid a continuing war of attrition, a propaganda war was raging, too. Posters
appeared around the occupied territories showing a photograph of Barak in his
earlier career as a member of an elite military unit, bending over the
bloodied body of a dead Palestinian.


In the occupied territories the bloodshed continued unabated.


Among those killed by Israeli gunfire was 14-year-old Wael Mahmoud, who
witnesses said was one of 300 schoolchildren to hurl rocks at an army post in
the Gaza Strip.


My son was a man who defended Jerusalem and I am ready to sacrifice more,
said the boy's defiant father Imad, 52, who has nine other sons and eight
daughters. At least he died with a stone in his fist.


In Cairo, the Arab summit closed after two days of fierce words but little
action. Stopping short of severing ties with Israel, Arab leaders
nevertheless threatened it and gave their backing to the Palestinian
uprising.


It stated: The pure blood of the martyrs is a precious foundation for the
liberation of land, establishment of the state and achievement of peace. The
summit welcomes the Intifada of the Palestinian people in the occupied
territories which has expressed clearly the bitterness and frustration after
long years of waiting and anticipation.


The Arab leaders hold Israel responsible for returning the region to an
atmosphere of tension and violence due to its practices, aggression and
complete siege of the Palestinian people, in violation of its obligations
under the fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 ... and for dealing lightly with
the issue of Jerusalem in a way that pleases its desire for irresponsible
showing-off and deliberate provocation built on racism.


The Israeli government at first commended the summit's outcome as a victory
of wisdom, praising Arab leaders for not succumbing to militant demands for
the severing of all ties with Israel.


Hours later, however, Barak changed his mind.


Across the Middle East, the Arab League was denounced for what many saw as
weaselwords which failed to go far enough. Militant group Hamas said the
declaration wasn't worth the ink it was written in.


And in Egypt, thousands of students staged demonstrations, urging Arab
leaders to boycott Israeli and American products and to cut all ties with
Israel.Rulers of countries, open the door for holy war, they chanted.
© Express Newspapers, 2000


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Re: [CTRL] Sticks And Stones Vs. Bullets

2000-10-24 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 But then again, the Arabs can attack Israel, and Arafat can tell Barak to go
 to hell... Yeah, the Arabs are the nice guys aren't they? I mean blowing a
 suicidal hole in a military ship is nice isn't it... Yeah, nice people they
 are.  It's not their fault Arafat is a known terrorist, he's a nice fella...
 I'm sure we can trust anything he says according to the peace process.

 Jamie 

You've got your people crossed.  Who are these non-specific "Arabs" you guys
are always mumbling about.  The folks who blew up the Cole were not
Palestinians.  And telling the Israeli to "Go to Hell," shouldn't bother them
at all.  I understand that most Jews do not believe in Hell.  I'm not sure I
do.  And if you want to compare leaders who have been "terrorists," we must
include Sharon and Begin and many others as well.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Sticks And Stones Vs. Bullets

2000-10-23 Thread William Shannon

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Israelis condemn language of threat as troops kill four
BY JACQUI GODDARD
FOREIGN EDITOR
http://www.lineone.net/express/
ISRAELI Prime Minister Ehud Barak threw in the towel on the peace process on
Sunday, blaming Arab leaders for speaking the "language of threats" as his
troops shot dead four more people.

While Palestinians condemned the emergency Arab League summit in Cairo for
going soft on Barak, declaring it a "whimper rather than a bang" for its
failure to take decisive punitive action against Israel, the Prime Minister
complained that the meeting had been too heavy on the rhetoric.

The summit's declaration of support for the Palestinian uprising and refusal
to reign- in violence merited a "time-out" on the peace, he said.

Meanwhile, his soldiers killed another four Palestinians yesterday, including
a 14-year-old stone-thrower. The killings brought the death toll in 25 days
of violence to 122, all but eight of the victims Arabs.

But Barak blamed the Palestinians, saying: "Israel totally rejects the
language of threats that came out of the summit and condemns the call, folded
into the decisions, for continued violence.

"We will continue to view peace ... as the eventual goal, but not a peace
that is achieved at any price while surrendering to violence." In an official
statement, Barak was quoted as telling his cabinet that he was suspending the
peace process started under the Oslo accord of 1993.

"We will have to take a time-out, whose purpose is to re-assess the peace
process in response to the events of recent weeks," he stated.

Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said Barak's move came as no surprise.

"I expected this from him," he shrugged. "It's not the first time."

As the language of diplomacy crumbled, he reaffirmed his quest for a
Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, adding that if Barak didn't
like the idea, he could "go to hell".

Amid a continuing war of attrition, a propaganda war was raging, too. Posters
appeared around the occupied territories showing a photograph of Barak in his
earlier career as a member of an elite military unit, bending over the
bloodied body of a dead Palestinian.

In the occupied territories the bloodshed continued unabated.

Among those killed by Israeli gunfire was 14-year-old Wael Mahmoud, who
witnesses said was one of 300 schoolchildren to hurl rocks at an army post in
the Gaza Strip.

"My son was a man who defended Jerusalem and I am ready to sacrifice more,"
said the boy's defiant father Imad, 52, who has nine other sons and eight
daughters. "At least he died with a stone in his fist."

In Cairo, the Arab summit closed after two days of fierce words but little
action. Stopping short of severing ties with Israel, Arab leaders
nevertheless threatened it and gave their backing to the Palestinian
uprising.

It stated: "The pure blood of the martyrs is a precious foundation for the
liberation of land, establishment of the state and achievement of peace. The
summit welcomes the Intifada of the Palestinian people in the occupied
territories which has expressed clearly the bitterness and frustration after
long years of waiting and anticipation.

"The Arab leaders hold Israel responsible for returning the region to an
atmosphere of tension and violence due to its practices, aggression and
complete siege of the Palestinian people, in violation of its obligations
under the fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 ... and for dealing lightly with
the issue of Jerusalem in a way that pleases its desire for irresponsible
showing-off and deliberate provocation built on racism."

The Israeli government at first commended the summit's outcome as a "victory
of wisdom", praising Arab leaders for not succumbing to militant demands for
the severing of all ties with Israel.

Hours later, however, Barak changed his mind.

Across the Middle East, the Arab League was denounced for what many saw as
weaselwords which failed to go far enough. Militant group Hamas said the
declaration "wasn't worth the ink it was written in".

And in Egypt, thousands of students staged demonstrations, urging Arab
leaders to boycott Israeli and American products and to cut all ties with
Israel."Rulers of countries, open the door for holy war," they chanted.
© Express Newspapers, 2000

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