-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail1.htm <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail1.htm">Untitled Document</A> ----- E-MAIL RECEIVED FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE ON 11/15/98 Note: Mr. Plumlee knows the full context of his confession to us on videotape and in his e-mail questions why we haven't posted all of his confession. I explained to him the reasons and he is clear on it. E-Mail from Tosh Plumlee........ To Bob Vernon: Just looked at http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com So much you have missed. Of course I see things a little different than you, but I am cursed with another vision which is much larger than the Kennedy thing which encompasses years of "Black Ops" in many different areas under extremely tight security with deadly political overtures toward those which did the missions. How about the guy who took missile tech off the island (Cuba) - Who was that pilot? The Pawley Expedition? Just one of many political operations from J/M WAVE and OMC operations. Sorta like the Sullivan and O'Rouke thing in 1957 and the pilot "Guthrie." How about the Santa Clara raids with Frank Strugis? You've missed so much of the thread that connects all this. Tosh ===== from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail2.htm <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshmail2.htm">Untitled Document</A> ----- E-MAIL #2 RECEIVED FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE ON 11/15/98 Note: My e-mail request to Tosh was for him to please elaborate one more time on the flight from Florida to Dallas and the time he landed in Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63. His responses are consistent with everything he's ever told us. E-Mail response from Tosh Plumlee........ To Bob Vernon: Rojas the pilot had flown for MATs a few years before he started flying for Riddle Airlines and Regina Airlines two CIA front companies, (or used as fronts) The twin beach came from LB Smith Aircraft Corp of Miami.... The DC-3 came from Regina or Riddle... not sure. We did not file any flight plans from West Palm....only an AIDZ ID check as military when we crossed out of eastern Florida to New Orl. over water. Not sure if the DC3 was picked up inTampa. The Twin Beech was a Miami International based aircraft at L.B. Smith and maintained by Riddle Airline mech. it was flown from Lantana to Tampa... then the Riddle DC-3 picked up, for more load and cross water..... On Tosh's arrival in Dallas during the early morning hours of 11/22/63: I think it was around 6 am - 7am Weather was breaking toward Redbird when we got to Garland and we could hop on over to Redbird later that day....everyone split up at Garland.....By ten am I think I was at the safe house in Oak Cliff not far from Redbird and the DC3 was at Redbird by then....been a long time....... Tosh ===== from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshconfess.htm <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/toshconfess.htm"> CONFESSION OF CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE</A> ----- EXCERPTS FROM THE CONFESSION OF CIA PILOT ROBERT "TOSH" PLUMLEE Former CIA pilot Robert "Tosh" Plumlee speaks out for the first time about his participation in the JFK assassination. Mr. Plumlee's testimony to the United States Senate Intelligence Committee has been classified as "Top Secret." WARNING This confidential report and the information herein are the sole and exclusive copyrighted property of Investigative Concepts Unlimited ("ICU"), 2609 Coffee Tree Court, Antioch, CA 94509, Phone: (925) 754-8833. This report, in full or in part, may not be reproduced, copied, broadcast, distributed, or disseminated in any manner without the expressed written consent of ICU. Anyone who violates this copyright notice may be subject to civil and criminal penalties and jail. All copyright infringements shall be reported to the FBI. Q: Tosh, how do you make your living, what kind of occupation are you in? A: I'm a pilot, commercial pilot. Q: When did you first become a pilot? A: I started in 1956. I was an aircraft mechanic prior to going in and getting my license. Q: And, you've been flying for a living ever since? A: Off and on and also doing other jobs in those lean, lean years so to speak. Q: In your times as a pilot, have you ever been associated with or worked with the CIA? A: Yes I have. Q: What was the first time? A: The first time was 1956 and the first time I became involved, connected with the CIA, through out of military intelligence, was the M-267 and that was a gun running supply operation to supply guns and ammunition to the students at the University of Havana inside Cuba. This was pro-Castro days. This was before Castro came into power. And, that was the beginning. Q: Have you worked with the CIA since that time? A: Yes, I've worked with the CIA. Q: On just another occasion or many occasions? A: On many occasions. Q: Over a period of how many years? A: Off and on, over a period of 30 years. Q: Have you ever met, in your lifetime, a person named John Roselli? A: Yes, I knew John Roselli rather well. Q: When did you first meet him? A: I met Roselli in about 1960, last part of '60, first part of '61. And, this was at Biscayne Park, we'd just came from a meeting place called Sloppy Joe's on Flagler Street in Miami. And, Johnny, John Farentello was there, the person that introduced me to John Roselli. Q: Have you ever had an occasion to fly in an airplane or to fly John Roselli? A: I've flown John Roselli, I would say, perhaps more than 6 or 7 different occasions. These were to islands, well not islands, but to the Marathon Key in Florida, Bimini, once to Havana, one other time from Houston to Galvezton to see about getting a raider ship which was going to O'Rourke's operation, and another time from Salt Lake City to Thunderbird Inn in Las Vegas, and then from Las Vegas to Santa Barbara, California. And, that particular transition of flights was 1963. Q: On those occasions, did you get to know John Roselli personally? A: Yes, I knew John Roselli personally. Q: Where were you on November 22, 1963? A: I was observing the attempt on Kennedy's life. I was at Dealey Plaza on the South Knoll. Q: Did you have occasion on that day to see John Roselli? A: Yes, I did. I saw John Roselli. John Roselli was on board the flight coming out of Houston. We had taken a flight out of Tampa, Florida and went through New Orleans, New Orleans to Houston and Roselli had boarded the flight at Tampa, Florida, and he was staying at the Congress Inn the night before he boarded the flight. Our team flew out of West Palm Beach, a place called Lantana, and to Tampa and then Roselli and a couple of other people got on board in Tampa. We flew to New Orleans where two people got off, three other people got on, Roselli stayed on board. We flew to Houston and then the next morning, we had some weather, and we left for Dallas, and we had to...we were heading for Thunderbird, I mean for Redbird Airport, and we had to make a stop a Dallas/Garland because of weather. We did not have an IFR flight plan filed at that point. We did not want to file a flight plan. The impression I was under at that time is we were flying a team into Dallas to abort the assassination and John Roselli was on board that flight as well as a couple of other Cubans and people that were connected with organized crime in New Orleans. Q: On the morning of November 22, 1963, did the flight that arrived in Garland, Texas, just outside of Dallas, have anything to do with the CIA? A: The CIA was....yes it did, the CIA was our support people. We were military intelligence. The CIA was running support and coordinating certain flights, making different arrangements, or necessary arrangements, for us. Q: Who got off of the airplane at Redbird? A: Everybody else got off at Redbird. John Roselli got off at Redbird and everybody went their own way. Where they went, I have no idea, at that point and time I have no idea where they went. Q: Where you there just as a pilot or were you there as a participant in this operation? A: I've said I was there as a pilot. I was there as a participant. I was a spotter. We were finding to find out if this was a legit operation, if it was going to be a "hit" and then we would take'em out. Q: Where were you standing in Dealey Plaza when the shots were fired? A: I was over on the South side, directly in line with the light posts. Sergio and I were attempting to evaluate where the most logical place to be to make the "hit". We had just got there to the Plaza and everything was all messed up, timing was off, people were not in....where they were supposed to be, the limited radio contacts that we had were not working. Whether the team that I flew in was a combination of the abort team or the shooter team, I have no way of knowing. It could have been a combination of both or it could have been a complete 100% abort team, I don't know. Q: What kind of plane were you flying that day? A: We were flying a DC-3. Q: Tosh, did you know Lee Harvey Oswald? A: Yes, I knew Lee Harvey Oswald. Q: Where did you first meet him? A: I first meet Lee Harvey Oswald at a secret base called Illusionary Warfare Training at Nagshead, North Carolina in 1959 prior to him going to language school and going to Russia. Q: Did you just meet him or did you get to know him? A: I got to...well, I just met him and remembered him....At the time that I met him in '59 he was a Marine, we were all in Illusionary Warfare Training, or something...propaganda stuff, and he was there and he was doing language study at that particular point. I didn't recognize him as anybody them other than just another black operative. Q: Did you ever see him after that? A: Yes, one time in Honolulu with another guy at a radar installation and that was about....oh I guess shortly after that...shortly after Nagshead... my dates may be wrong. It could have been '58 or '59 right around that area. Q: Were there other occasions when you saw him? A: Well, the one at the radar complex there on either Ohau or...I can't remember exactly where it was. But he was there at that time and I saw him briefly at Wheeler Air Force Base there at there at Oahu outside Honolulu and he was getting ready to leave an go to Dal...the whole group was getting ready to leave and we had been just completing jungle warfare training. Q: Did you ever see him again after that? A: Yes, in '62 when I came back into Dallas area, that, through the Dallas Cubans over on, not Harlendale Street, but there was a "safe" house here in Dallas, Oak Cliff, two of'em. There was a small two bedroom frame type house that was located in Oak Cliff not far from the zoo where the old inner urban track used to go through, I mean there's a highline down through there now, at that place and then I think it was Zang's Blvd. there used to be "safe" house there that was run by Hernandez out of Miami that had connections with Alpha 66 at one point that se up a "safe" house for Dallas Cubans that were filtrating out of the Miami area. Oswald, from those two "safe" houses, I went to another "safe" house and that "safe" house was directly behind where Oswald had rented a room, in the alley, and I carved my initials on the draining board up there at that time and that was a gun running operation and Oswald was renting the front house. I saw him there briefly but did not talk to him. ===== from: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/moretosh.htm <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/9747/moretosh.htm">Untitled Document</A> ----- MORE FROM CIA PILOT TOSH PLUMLEE ON THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK WARNING This confidential report and the information herein are the sole and exclusive copyrighted property of Truth, Truth, Truth, Inc. and Investigative Concepts Unlimited ("ICU"), 2609 Coffee Tree Court, Antioch, CA 94509, Phone: (925) 754-8833. This report, in full or in part, may not be reproduced, copied, broadcast, distributed, or disseminated in any manner without the expressed written consent of ICU. Anyone who violates this copyright notice may be subject to civil and criminal penalties and jail. All copyright infringements shall be reported to the FBI. Q: What do you think about at night? A: Well, that's a tough question. Over the years it's like one of those things that, you see a good buddy get massacred or killed, you don't want to think about it. You don't pick up a book and study. You don't go read these books that come out over the last 10-15 years cause it tears your guts out. It's like living with a monkey on your back. You want to talk. You want to tell your story. There was a time when it was extremely derogatory to be even connected with the Kennedy assassination and immediately if you said anything "Oh, I know something about the Kennedy assassination", they say "Yeah, it's time for you to go to Bellevue and we're gonna lock you up" Just now, it's coming around that the new generation is demanding some answers and I think the new gen eration deserves those answers and I think the truth should come out and I think it's my responsibility, whether anybody believes this story or not, or wherever the confirmation has come and does come, it's immaterial to me what people think. If they're really sincere, let them do their own investigation and there's enough documentation out there to support this story as well as other stories about black-op operations. Our military was extremely active, pro and con. Q: Why did they go to the Mafioso in the first place to carry out this operation? A: Because they're available and because they have the know how and they have the technique and there's not an operative or an agent that can actually work in the bureaucracy of government and keep those type of secrets so if a hitman was selected from the CIA or military and something went sour, that's a direct connection to the United States Government as a whole. It would only be feasible that the planners, which were not high level CIA planners, but it was mid-level and rouges. During that time, you got to remember, we come out of the Eisenhower administration with military operatives that was very loyal to the OSS back in the 40's and then we come into a new Kennedy breed that is gonna change all that up. As a result of that, information was gathered and we were actually fighting each other. We became similar to what DEA and people are doing now in the drug war, where agencies begin to fight with themselves. That's what we were facing in those days. And not to mention the propaganda that was being perpetrated and played by special interests within agencies that would throw our intelligence gathering off. We could go around the Caribbean for weeks. In fact, in one case with the Raider ship and O'Rourke, it was reported that we were landing commandos in Cuba, and were down in Port Everglades and we were cleaning the boat and painting it and going fishing for two weeks. But then we would read in the paper about the raids we were carrying out inside Cuba. So, there's a lot of propaganda out there about what we did and in some cases we used to laugh about it and think it was very cute. Q: What motivated you to come forward at this time? A: My motivation to come forward at this time, I guess you would say because of the work that Oliver Stone did do. I think that's it's important that the younger generation know the truth behind the Kennedy assassination. I'm under the impression for myself, after all these years, it's time, if for no other reason, than to cleans my soul and to tell the public the truth about what role I played that day in the Kennedy assassination and put all this behind me and live a life and go into my autumn years and be done with it. Q: Do you have any personal regrets about that day? A: The only personal regrets I have about that day that Sergio and I did not take the initiative to do more observation from other areas in this. 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