Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-05-04 Thread [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Actually Duncan - whilst those figures are subject to contention  - try
calling those killings "genocide" and one is legally wrong as mass murder for
political reasons was apparently absent from the relevant UN Convention
thanks to pressure from those same enlightened socialists around the time it
was first concocted. But commit the odious act of causing "mental harm"
against a racial or ethnic group and then one is a genocidal brigand
according to the Convention It's a funny world.

BD

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Re: [CTRL] Reply to Josh2 4/9/2K Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-05-01 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Tara wrote:

 Are you braindead!? He didn't threaten you.

Maybe he didn't. Maybe he just doesn't communicate very clearly. This is
what he wrote.

Mike wrote
Although I swore an Oath to Protect and Defend your FIrst Amendment
Rights, with the Second. Your Intolerance towards me and others on this
list will
breed Intolerance Towards You and Others Like You. Your Have No Excuse and
Have Been Forwarned.
==++

Big talk for a moron. But putting his warning in the same paragraph with a
reference to the 2nd amendment gives ME the impression of a threat. He can
clarify it if he wants to. I don't care.

 He must be really frightened
 that you're having him investigated for saying that your intolerance toward
 him and toward others will breed intolerance toward those of your ilk. Wow!
 That forewarning is downright murderous. Are you scared Josh?

Not a bit. I'll be glad to pay him or any other crank a personal visit to
work things out. You just need to live within one day's driving distance from
New Jersey.

 Do you know
 how to read the English language, Josh? And being intelligent doesn't mean
 you can't be a cop. But I don't think they'd let you in, because some
 intelligence is necessary.

Yeah I noticed that.


 T the Joik

 Duh...

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 Don't be frightened. I'm having this clown investigated as we speak. If he
 is
 working as a cop, he won't be for long.

 J2


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Re: [CTRL] Reply to Josh2 4/9/2K Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-30 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Oh my, is this fun or what?

uaicvtmb wrote:

 TO: Josh2

 Dear Sir:

 And I put that Lightly.

You needn't call me sir. I never made officer.

 You of all People Need Not Give me a 49 yr. old man
 who
 has delivered babies, in an ambulance and in the back of my patrol car a
 lession
 in biology. Your Answers based on your Secular Huminism,

Not that you'd know the difference, but I am just a humble atheist, not a
secular humanist

 Pop Psychology and
 Intellectual Pontification with your Brain Flatulence doesn't and Never will
 Impress
 me or the rest of the decent human beings who will never accecpt the murder
 of
 the Innocients.

It was not intended for you. It was intended for people whose brains were
still functional.

 I choose Not to Judge you, for you Psuedo Intellectual
 Kafars

That's Khazars ( I think ). I am not a Khazar. I am an Israelite. Khazars are a
Turkik ethnic group. My ethnic group is the same one as Jesus'. In fact,
he may be a distant cousin.

 have
 already been damned with Eternal Judgement when you meet your end.

I doubt it. Only Christians are damned by eternal judgment because their
parents had the audacity to have sex and procreate. Except in your case.
I'm not sure how you were produced.

 For you
 have rejected the God of your Fathers. That Friend is the Unforgiveable Sin
 Against
 God and the Holy Spirit.

Ooooh scary!

 May the God of Abraham and Issiac Have Mercey on
 Your
 Soul.

There is no such thing as a soul. But I'm willing to change my mind if you can
show me one.

 I Shall Not Respond to You Again on this Matter. You Shall Never
 Change my
 Opinion Although I swore an Oath to Protect and Defend your FIrst Amendment
 Rights, with the Second. Your Intollerance towards me and others on this
 list will
 breed Intollerance Towards You and Others Like You. Your Have No Excuse and
 Have Been Forwarned.

Are you threatening me asshole?

 And In closing, There is the Seperation of Church and State. NOT in the
 Constitution
 of the United States. But It is found in the COMMUNIST MANIFESTO.

I wouldn't know. I never read the Communist Manifesto.


 Without Prejudice RSA382-A:1-207 RSA382-A:1-103, UCC 1-103  10207

~ Mike ~
   U.A.I.C.-VT.
  * De Oppresso Liber  *
 ***

If you want to threaten me, why don't you take it off list and I'll deal
with you there tough guy.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Reply to Josh2 4/9/2K Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-30 Thread Nurev Ind Research

William Shannon wrote:

 In a message dated 4/29/00 10:53:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  And I put that Lightly. You of all People Need Not Give me a 49 yr. old man
  who
  has delivered babies, in an ambulance and in the back of my patrol car a
  lession
  in biology. 

 Oh boy! A 49 year old man who clearly didn't pay attention in English class!!!
 To wit- Secular Huminism,
 Well, ya' got the 1st word right! Keep trying on that tough 2nd one though...

 

 Are you judging here or what?
 And really, can anyone take you seriously when you insist on repeating,
 parrot-like, the superstitious mumbo-jumbo that was drilled into your head
 since childhood?

  For you
 have rejected the God of your Fathers. That Friend is the Unforgiveable Sin
 Against
 God and the Holy Spirit. May the God of Abraham and Issiac Have Mercey on
 Your
 Soul.

 Can you say "yadda yadda yadda"???

 Your Intollerance

 Ooopsie!!! That's one of them there 50 cent words!

 Am I the only one who's frightened by a fellow who is allowed to carry a
 firearm and granted the power of arrest yet who can't spell simple words? Or
 make a case without resorting to childish religious pablum?

 Without Prejudice,
 Bill.


Don't be frightened. I'm having this clown investigated as we speak. If he is
working as a cop, he won't be for long.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Reply to Josh2 4/9/2K Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-30 Thread nessie

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

Your Intollerance towards me and others on this

list will

breed Intollerance Towards You and Others Like You. Your Have No Excuse
and

Have Been Forwarned.


Are you threatening me asshole?

Talk is cheap. Talk like this, done at a safe distance, is cowardly.  But
it's not worth getting upset about.

I can't  speak for nurev, but I want to make my own position crystal
clear. I don't care what anybody says about me here or in the privacy of
their own homes. What they do in their homes is none of my business and
none of yours either.

But if this guy, or anybody out there, tries to fuck with me in person. I
*will* fuck him up, long, deep, wide and repeatedly. That's not a threat.
That's a promise. I don't call 911. I call 1911. Do I make myself clear?

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Re: [CTRL] Reply to Josh2 4/9/2K Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-30 Thread Tara

Are you braindead!? He didn't threaten you. He must be really frightened
that you're having him investigated for saying that your intolerance toward
him and toward others will breed intolerance toward those of your ilk. Wow!
That forewarning is downright murderous. Are you scared Josh? Do you know
how to read the English language, Josh? And being intelligent doesn't mean
you can't be a cop. But I don't think they'd let you in, because some
intelligence is necessary.

T the Joik

Duh...


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Don't be frightened. I'm having this clown investigated as we speak. If he
is
working as a cop, he won't be for long.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-21 Thread nexusmagazine

Respectfully, If you look and research at all the numbers of Jewish peoples
in
Europe before WW 2, you will find they do not match the number of people
murdered in the camps. The 6 Million Figure was the Figure people claim
were of Just the Jewish Population. Many Christians were also murdered
because they didn't go along with Hitler's Regime. "Uncle Joe Stalin" did
murder many more, 25 - 50 Million, and Mao in Red China also murdered
about 50 million during his reign.

Respectfully Yours;
Mike 4/20/2K


Actually, according to the University of Madrid in conjunction with some
research institute in Moscow, Stalin offed 80 million, and Mao did 60
million.
but try calling these a holocaust and you get sued for breach of
copyright.


Duncan


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On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-21 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

In a message dated 4/21/2000 12:54:39 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
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 Actually, according to the University of Madrid in conjunction with some
 research institute in Moscow, Stalin offed 80 million, and Mao did 60
 million.
 but try calling these a holocaust and you get sued for breach of
 copyright.


 Duncan 

Good heavens, I hope you're kidding.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-20 Thread uaicvtmb

Respectfully, If you look and research at all the numbers of Jewish peoples
in
Europe before WW 2, you will find they do not match the number of people
murdered in the camps. The 6 Million Figure was the Figure people claim
were of Just the Jewish Population. Many Christians were also murdered
because they didn't go along with Hitler's Regime. "Uncle Joe Stalin" did
murder many more, 25 - 50 Million, and Mao in Red China also murdered
about 50 million during his reign.

Respectfully Yours;
Mike 4/20/2K

P.S. Delay due to Email Program breakdown Problem.

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-20 Thread uaicvtmb

Weither or not Abortion is a topic for This List,
I am NOT the one who started it in the First Place
So don't Blame Me. Thanks You So Very Much.

Mike.

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-09 Thread nessie

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

I Hate to Break the "News" to you Dear, But, the Total Abortions jn one
year

alone - Just for America is over 5,000,000 Abortions.



Where'd you get that figure?



The Holocost

numbers

were only 6,000,000.


The camps alone killed 13,000,000. The REAL holocaust was what they did to
the Russians. Between 20,000,000 to 50,000,000 died, depending on whose
version you believe.

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-09 Thread Nurev Ind Research
o what?
This is what I mean by Potential Human because it will develop according to the
genetic information IF NOTHING GOES AWRY. And many things can go awry including
the decision to abort the pregnancy.

 In three months
 all the organs are ready, and after that period they only attain perfection.

What are you trying to pull here? Ready for what? Which organs? The lungs won't
begin to function for another three months. You are basically twisting reality
here to sustain your point of view.

 However, some babies are born prematurely and live thanks to the progress of
 medical equipment. It seems that, according to your definition of "human",
 these babies become humans earlier than other babies.

Yes this is correct. Assuming that all else
is function able and functioning. Prior to this point you can not call this a
baby, or a person, or a pickle. What ever it is, it is in the body of a well
defined person with consciousness who is THE ONLY ONE WITH THE RIGHT TO DECIDE
WHAT TO DO WITH HER BODY and what is in her body.

 Once they are viable they are
 babies. I would never advocate harming babies".

 Of course you wouldn't, because you see them and you can't stand harming them.
 It would be very nice to have the same respect for zygotes too, because when
 you take the life of a zygote, there is no fetus, no baby, no "human". There
 is only death.

And you can make the same silly argument for pulling out your hair and losing
a nail, or the constant shedding of the outer layer of your skin. All of these
die. So what? That doesn't mean killing these cells make one a murderer.

 Zygotes and fetuses are not people. They are potential humans if they develop
 to completion and are able to survive outside the womb.

 I suggest you should think this for a second time. Babies cannot survive after
 womb by themselves, unless someone takes care of them. They are also not
 completed, e.g.just think of their cranium, and the fact they don't have
 teeth. Even when they have teeth, these are not the final ones. So according
 to this definition, babies are not humans as well?

I personally wouldn't make that argument, but some could. That's not the point
really. At this time the baby is no longer sharing the body of another
individual.
That individual no longer has the same power over the baby's body as when the
baby was inside her. That is why it is clear that when a mother kills her
baby after birth, it is murder, and is prosecuted as a murderer if caught.

Joshua2


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 Subject: Re: [CTRL] "global gag rule"

 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 When the pro-abortionist were pushing for legal abortions they alleged

 that 5,000 women died each year from unsafe abortions.  Dr Bernard Nata-

 son who was then an ateistic Jew and pro-abortion, did not believe that

 number.

 One is too many.

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-09 Thread Kris Millegan

Whether as to abortion being "right" or "wrong" is not a topic for this list.

Abortions happen. They happen in nature all the time. God is Good. God is
Great. Why do you limit your perception of the powers of God?

Abortion, homosexuality and racisim are some of the "bullets" chosen by the
conspiracy to be shot into the belly of our body politic to divide us. "They"
do not give a fig about these "sacred" principles. These topics are just
something for the conspiracy to hang their hat on. The are planned
dialectics.


Actions begat. Karma rules. Grace is granted.

People make choices. The choice is theirs and they will/have to live with it.

Let them be. You must speak with God when you die and so must they.

Within God is Justice and Mercy.

MHO
Om
K

Understand the dialectic hatrack. The hatrack spins and control is the name
of the game.

Om
K

In a message dated 4/8/00 10:52:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I Hate to Break the "News" to you Dear, But, the Total Abortions jn one
year

alone - Just for America is over 5,000,000 Abortions. Then take the figues

from around the

world and add them to ours. That is Nothing to be proud off. The Holocost

numbers

were only 6,000,000.  After all the data that proves the "feotus" is indeed

a "person"

especially the "photo" of the little hand reaching out of a cizarian (sp)

section - Murder

is Still Murder in My Book. Not to mention The "Pro-Abortionists) as also

Pro Mercy

Killings. Thanks for your time. ~ Mike ~

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[CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-08 Thread Bard

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Clinton urges funds for family planning abroad

 Copyright © 2000 Nando Media
 Copyright © 2000 APonline


For more about Africa, visit Africa News Online.

By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (April 7, 2000 7:29 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - With Congress 
debating a
new budget, President Clinton used Friday's observance of World Health Day to push 
lawmakers
for increased U.S. financing of family planning work abroad - and to stop restricting 
how the
money is used.

In his fiscal 2001 budget plan, Clinton proposed a $169 million increase in USAID's 
international
family planning aid package and $25 million to support the United Nations Population 
Fund,
which operates in 150 nations.

Clinton said 600,000 women die each year from complications related to pregnancy and
childbirth. He wants Congress to raise family planning assistance to 1995 levels, and 
he wants
the money to come without a restriction dubbed the "global gag rule."

Using U.S. funds to perform abortions abroad has been prohibited since 1973. Last year,
Congress imposed a restriction on giving money to non-governmental organizations that 
use
money from other sources to advocate for or provide abortions.

"Those congressionally sponsored restrictions impose a destructive double standard," 
Clinton
said. "When would we ever accept rules telling Americans at home not even to discuss 
women's
health and women's choices?

"And how, in the name of democracy and freedom, can we impose those rules on others 
which
would be illegal here in the United States?"

Clinton was joined at the World Health Day event by Secretary of State Madeleine 
Albright and
Dr. Enyantu Ifenne, a pediatrician from Nigeria, who said it is commonplace in her 
country for
12-year-old girls to marry and begin families.

She politely said the "gag rule" was "very un-American." Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., 
was
more blunt. "Gag rules are enough to make you gag," she said.

Rep. Jim Greenwood, R-Pa., who led a fight in the House against the rule, urged 
citizens to call
their congressmen and say: "I wouldn't let you gag me, and I will not let you gag 
anyone
anywhere around the world."

Not all his Republican colleagues agree. Rep. Chris Smith, R-N.J., released a 
statement after the
event, saying the president is criticizing the very legislation he signed.

"If the president were really committed to family planning - as opposed to abortion - 
he would
enthusiastically embrace the pro-life policy, which is now, with his signature, the 
law of the
land," Smith said. "This policy establishes a bright line of demarcation between those 
groups
that support genuine family planning and those that refuse to divest themselves from 
the grisly
business of abortion."

On Thursday, Reps. Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.; Christopher Shays, R-Conn.; Nancy Pelosi, 
D-Calif.;
and James Greenwood, R-Pa., introduced a bill to repeal the gag rule provision.

"It's just a misunderstanding," said Majeed Khan, a visiting professor at the 
University of
Wisconsin who attended the event in the East Room of the White House. "Where there's 
good
family planning, the abortion rate declines."

http://www.nandotimes.com/healthscience/story/0,1080,500190246-500256378-501312506-0,00.html

Bard

Sir Rudyard's reasoned rhymes still rule in America. If Kipling were now in
the Colonies, he might add these verses to his classic:


When Billy was of draft age, Southeast Asia was the cause;

Tho' Uncle called, he ducked it without a moment's pause.

Now 'e's safe within the White House, the artful dodger yet,

Impeachment proof an' O so brave, when Kosovo's the bet.

For it's Tommy this an' Tommy that, but when Billy needs a boost,

'E throws Tommy to the lions, to keep the chickens off the roost.

An' it's Tommy this an' Tommy that an' any war's OK

As long as it's not Billy boy they're chuckin' in harm's way.

--- From the heart of a vet,
J.D. Wetterling

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-08 Thread Don Huffman

Gentlemen:

When the pro-abortionist were pushing for legal abortions they alleged
that 5,000 women died each year from unsafe abortions.  Dr Bernard Nata-
son who was then an ateistic Jew and pro-abortion, did not believe that
number.  There just weren't any records that would prove it.  He thought
it was unfair for the Catholics to be singled out as the only anti-abor-
tionist.  In his book The Aborting of America, one day while shaving he
said to himself, "Natan, you have presided over the death of 60,000 bab-
ies".

For an atheist to have such a sense of justice about the above, made me
love that in him.

Beware, these aborted babies are crying out at the throne of God not for
mercy but for justice!


Sincerely,


Don Huffman

600,000 union soldiers died in the civil war to end slavery!  Let us not
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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-08 Thread nessie

[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

When the pro-abortionist were pushing for legal abortions they alleged

that 5,000 women died each year from unsafe abortions.  Dr Bernard Nata-

son who was then an ateistic Jew and pro-abortion, did not believe that

number.



One is too many.

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Re: [CTRL] global gag rule

2000-04-08 Thread uaicvtmb

I Hate to Break the "News" to you Dear, But, the Total Abortions jn one year
alone - Just for America is over 5,000,000 Abortions. Then take the figues
from around the
world and add them to ours. That is Nothing to be proud off. The Holocost
numbers
were only 6,000,000.  After all the data that proves the "feotus" is indeed
a "person"
especially the "photo" of the little hand reaching out of a cizarian (sp)
section - Murder
is Still Murder in My Book. Not to mention The "Pro-Abortionists) as also
Pro Mercy
Killings. Thanks for your time. ~ Mike ~

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] "global gag rule"


[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:

When the pro-abortionist were pushing for legal abortions they alleged

that 5,000 women died each year from unsafe abortions.  Dr Bernard Nata-

son who was then an ateistic Jew and pro-abortion, did not believe that

number.



One is too many.

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