Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA j2

2001-07-28 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/24/2001 11:26:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 There is no ruling Cabal. There are ruling elites defined by wealth who
 work with each other all across the world when needed. They are not single
 minded on all things. The largest and most powerful countries have the most
 powerful elites. We just saw them fail in Genoa. We saw them fail in Seattle.
 We saw them lose their secret identity at the last Bilderberg meeting.

 They are losing their  democratic  credibility all across the developed
 world. Voter participation is dropping like a lead balloon in the US and
 the European democracies. Every one knows that these political systems are
 controlled by the rich and their corporations. It's getting harder and
 harder to fool the masses. Only inertia is keeping it going. 

They don't care about democratic credibility.  They just about have the whole
thing wrapped up.  I picture it as some kind of feudal thing like the England
of King John--except there won't be a Magna Carta.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA j2

2001-07-28 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 In a message dated 07/24/2001 11:26:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There is no ruling Cabal. There are ruling elites defined by wealth who
  work with each other all across the world when needed. They are not single
  minded on all things. The largest and most powerful countries have the most
  powerful elites. We just saw them fail in Genoa. We saw them fail in Seattle.
  We saw them lose their secret identity at the last Bilderberg meeting.

  They are losing their  democratic  credibility all across the developed
  world. Voter participation is dropping like a lead balloon in the US and
  the European democracies. Every one knows that these political systems are
  controlled by the rich and their corporations. It's getting harder and
  harder to fool the masses. Only inertia is keeping it going. 

 They don't care about democratic credibility.  They just about have the whole
 thing wrapped up.  I picture it as some kind of feudal thing like the England
 of King John--except there won't be a Magna Carta.


They do care about democratic credibility. The proof is at election time.
They spend enormous amounts of money convincing the populace that it's
important to vote, and that their vote counts.

The reason is simple. If you believe that you live in a democracy, then
whatever happens is not the fault of the Elites. It's the fault of the voters
for electing the wrong people. The voting population sees the next election
day as the time to ' fix ' the system by electing someone else. This is MUCH
cheaper than maintaining a large force to keep the dumb worker bees in line.

But now this all is changing. Thanks to the NET, the scales are dropping from
everyone's eyes. And, we lucked out in the 2000 election with the installation
of retarded Shrub by the Conservative Supreme Court.

Things will get worse before they get better, but the status quo IS crumbling.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA j2

2001-07-24 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Nakano Nakamura wrote:

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 --- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The New World Order is crumbling everywhere you look.
  The world ruling business/political elites are
  egotistical fools. They almost always fail.
 
 Nakano comments:
 Yes...crumbling and yes they almost always fail.
 They are all designed and planned to fail.
 Let me repeat that:
 They were all planned to fail...and they will.
 You point out these failures.
 The UN should be at the top of the list.
  Middle East.
  Asian economy.
  Failure to deal with ecological degredation.
  South American economy.
  The Balkans.
  European economy.
  American economy.
  India, Pakistan.
  US vs Russia and China.

Sorry. I don't buy it. I had an acquaintance who was fairly high up
in the Clinton administration, and is a member of the CFR. We
had serious disagreements about politics and other things. I  can
ASSURE you that these people are not planning for failure. That is
a conspiracy theory which is completely mythological. I told him in
1993 when the Oslo debacle was just being made public, that it didn't
have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. We even bet a quarter
on it.

I won. He still owes me the quarter. Asshole.

He would always say the he was glad that he never took on the ME.
His  baby  was the EU. He worked on it and his reputation is based
on its success. I told him that the EU would never work either. He got
really upset that anyone could doubt him and he had that knowing look
of an insider which says  hey schmuck, what do you know? We have the
brains, the resources, the power, the institutions, and all the time in
the world.

But it's 2001, and the EU is about as solid as Jello. And, it hasn't
yet faced a real capitalist downturn since coming together. That is
happening right now. We'll see if it holds up.


 The UN and all of the above are designed to fail.
 It's quite intentional.
 When the UN and the various other international
 structures and organizations (WTO, World Bank, IMF)
 prove they are incapable of handling growing
 international crisis (especially war

Wrong. War is part of Capitalist dynamics, and often ( but not always )
planned.

 and ecological
 disasters)

This is correct. And this is what they are most afraid of. They
know that they can't beat nature. They know that aside from some fools
on this list, most people understand that if they screw up the evironment
their children will die or suffer for it. Most people don't want to do that
to their offspring. And most people don't have a financial stake in the
oil business.

They can't win this one either.

 then the Ruling Cabal will have a
 very convincing case.

There is no ruling Cabal. There are ruling elites defined by wealth who
work with each other all across the world when needed. They are not single
minded on all things. The largest and most powerful countries have the most
powerful elites. We just saw them fail in Genoa. We saw them fail in Seattle.
We saw them lose their secret identity at the last Bilderberg meeting.

They are losing their  democratic  credibility all across the developed
world. Voter participation is dropping like a lead balloon in the US and
the European democracies. Every one knows that these political systems are
controlled by the rich and their corporations. It's getting harder and
harder to fool the masses. Only inertia is keeping it going.

 All the failure will be
 proof that a really strong One World Government
 (one with real power to enforce its will)is necessary
 to take care of these problems.

This is silly and unrealistic. The reason they are failing is because it
is hard to organize big operations. It is harder still if you don't get
cooperation from the masses of people who actually do the real work.

You are suggesting that THE MOST COMPLEX ORGANIZATION EVER ATTEMPTED is
more easily achieved than the less complex one that failed. This is naive
and silly.

 After all, lesser
 measures will have proven to be ineffective.
 So...they will fail. They were all doomed from the
 start.  When they do fail, then the people of the
 world will agree to give up national sovereignties in
 favor of a central global government which will take
 precedence over all national governments.

More fantasy. The opposite will happen. As globalization deteriorates,
people will naturally fall back on the institutions that have worked.
The ones they grew up in. This is already happening. The Militias are
a symptom, as are the resurgences of fundamentalist religions. Especially
Islam. MacDonald's vs Jihad. Statism will rise again.

 There will be a New World Order

Not the one your thinking.

 There will be one world law.

Possibly.

 It will be the only way left.

That's a ridiculous statement. There's never only one way.

 After all...we have tried everything else,
 and it didn't work.
 It's coming soon to a planet near you.
 What's happening now is 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA j2

2001-07-24 Thread Dig Jerry M. Lemons

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spoken like a true anti-capitalist and socialist

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA j2

2001-07-24 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Dig Jerry M. Lemons wrote:

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 spoken like a true anti-capitalist and socialist


Not Socialist. But thanks for the compliment.

J2

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 07/22/2001 11:39:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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 The G-8 has served notice it doesn't care what the
 people of the world want.they are going to do
 what they want and to hell with the people.
 You're fooling yourself if you think this happened
 just because it is in Italy.
 Name any Democracy.  How about Britain?
 There have been riots there in several cities in
 just the last few weeks.
 Germany?  France?
 It wouldn't make any difference where the G-8 is
 meeting. The result would be the same...or worse.
 The Ruling Cabal isn't concerned with the will of
 the people.
 Democracy is just a marketing term.
 It's an illusion and doesn't really exist anywhere
 on planet earth. 

Hear, hear!  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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The Fascista is alive and well and lives comfortably in Genoa.   There will
be a New World Order.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Now Prudy why don't you find out who these Fascita really are?   Take a
good look at Sophia Loren and imagine her in a Mussolini hat.she
looks just like Mussolini and after all, they did marry into the family?
Good shot of her on TV yesterday without the camoflage and she looks
like - well all those wrinkles around her mouth - that stuff they pump
up the lips with is taking its toll on these movie stars.

So Hitler is live and well..keep in mind his original intent was to
restore the House of the Hohenzollerns and restore the Monarchs?

After all he was Austrian, was he not?There could not be Kings and
Queens without religion, right?   For these people are ordained by God
to rule, but then who ordained God?

Even Genisis says let us make man in OUR imagewell I'll be a
monkies Uncle - there was a Mrs. God perhaps?

Even the Thousand Year Reich you find in the Revelations - so they all
change names and play different roles and I wonder who will be playing
Moses, and lead Gay Pride onto victor but then their cause is in
conflict with biblical laws...but so was Kings, when it is written
birds of feather should flock together.

Goose Steps - it they look like a duck, talk like a duck, and walk like
a duck - they got to be Hill and Bill who refuse to recognize Bush as
President?   Pigs still at trough?

New World Order is dead, and Globalists are dead but then a rose by any
other name?   What will they call themselves now -  Sitting Ducks?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Nurev Ind.

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Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

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 The Fascista is alive and well and lives comfortably in Genoa.   There will
 be a New World Order.  Prudy


I don't know why you say that Prudy. The New World Order is crumbling
everywhere you look. The world ruling business/political elites are
egotistical fools. They almost always fail. The problem is that when they
fail millions die because of their fuck ups.

Middle East.
Asian economy.
Failure to deal with ecological degredation.
South American economy.
The Balkans.
European economy.
American economy.
India, Pakistan.
US vs Russia and China.

Just to point out a few.

The G8 organizers have lost. They have been forced
to severely modify their future plans for meetings.

If we don't get democratic control of our Elites, they will continue to
fuck up the world for for personal and corporate gain.

Not many options left.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Nakano Nakamura

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--- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The New World Order is crumbling everywhere you look.
 The world ruling business/political elites are
 egotistical fools. They almost always fail.

Nakano comments:
Yes...crumbling and yes they almost always fail.
They are all planned to fail.
Let me repeat that:
They were all planned to fail...and they will.
You point out these failures.
The UN should be at the top of the list.
 Middle East.
 Asian economy.
 Failure to deal with ecological degredation.
 South American economy.
 The Balkans.
 European economy.
 American economy.
 India, Pakistan.
 US vs Russia and China.

The UN and all of the above are designed to fail.
It's quite intentional.
When the UN and the various other international
structures and organizations (WTO, World Bank, IMF)
prove they are incapable of handling growing
international crisis (especially war and ecological
disasters)then the Ruling Cabal will have a
very convincing case.  All the failure will be
proof that a really strong One World Government
is necessary to take care of these problems.
So...they will fail. They were all doomed from the
start.  When they do fail, then the people of the
world will agree to give up national sovereignties in
favor of a central global government which will take
precedence over all national governments.
It will be the only way left.
After all...we have tried everything else,
and it didn't work.

 Regards to All
   Nakano




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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Nakano Nakamura

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--- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The New World Order is crumbling everywhere you look.
 The world ruling business/political elites are
 egotistical fools. They almost always fail.

Nakano comments:
Yes...crumbling and yes they almost always fail.
They are all designed and planned to fail.
Let me repeat that:
They were all planned to fail...and they will.
You point out these failures.
The UN should be at the top of the list.
 Middle East.
 Asian economy.
 Failure to deal with ecological degredation.
 South American economy.
 The Balkans.
 European economy.
 American economy.
 India, Pakistan.
 US vs Russia and China.

The UN and all of the above are designed to fail.
It's quite intentional.
When the UN and the various other international
structures and organizations (WTO, World Bank, IMF)
prove they are incapable of handling growing
international crisis (especially war and ecological
disasters)then the Ruling Cabal will have a
very convincing case.  All the failure will be
proof that a really strong One World Government
(one with real power to enforce its will)is necessary
to take care of these problems. After all, lesser
measures will have proven to be ineffective.
So...they will fail. They were all doomed from the
start.  When they do fail, then the people of the
world will agree to give up national sovereignties in
favor of a central global government which will take
precedence over all national governments.
There will be a New World Order
There will be one world law.
It will be the only way left.
After all...we have tried everything else,
and it didn't work.
It's coming soon to a planet near you.
What's happening now is just the
Previews of Coming Attractions.

 Regards to All
   Nakano




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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 I don't know why you say that Prudy. The New World Order is crumbling
 everywhere you look. The world ruling business/political elites are
 egotistical fools. They almost always fail. The problem is that when they
 fail millions die because of their fuck ups. 

I don't see the New World Order crumbling.  The business/political elites are
egotistical to be sure, but they always come out on top, and they don't care
how many millions die.  They prefer it that way.   Gives them space to
stretch out without having to look at our faces.  Can you imagine how they
must loathe us?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-22 Thread Dig Jerry M. Lemons

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so much for democracy? where do you think you were? in a democracy? no. you
were in italy. italy is not a democracy. the italian police are not
democratic. geez--wake up.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [tenc] POLICE RIOT IN GENOA

2001-07-22 Thread Nakano Nakamura

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--- Dig Jerry M. Lemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 so much for democracy? where do you think you
 were? in a democracy? no. you were in italy. italy
 is not a democracy. the italian police are not
 democratic. geez--wake up.

Nakano comments:
Italy or the U.S. it would be the same
in fact, it has been the same right here in the
good old US of A.
Chicago 1968 at the Democrat Party Convention,
the police rioted.  They committed the very same
sort of lawless brutality on U.S. citizens that we
are now seeing in Italy.
More recently, in the last several months, they
did this to a lesser extent in Seattle with the
demonstrators there.
The G-8 has served notice it doesn't care what the
people of the world want.they are going to do
what they want and to hell with the people.
You're fooling yourself if you think this happened
just because it is in Italy.
Name any Democracy.  How about Britain?
There have been riots there in several cities in
just the last few weeks.
Germany?  France?
It wouldn't make any difference where the G-8 is
meeting. The result would be the same...or worse.
The Ruling Cabal isn't concerned with the will of
the people.
Democracy is just a marketing term.
It's an illusion and doesn't really exist anywhere
on planet earth.
Regards to All
   Nakano

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