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-Caveat Lector- --- nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof" Which, if true, makes all those deeds and mortgages nothing but paper and every one who believes in them a heretic. Thanks, Nessie, now I have a GOOD reason not to pay my mortgage! ;-D Tenorlove who has PLENTY of other things to spend the money on.. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- Amen! Thank you, Nessie. I think, on balance, we agree more often than we disagree, and this is one thing I definitely agree with you on... - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof" Which, if true, makes all those deeds and mortgages nothing but paper and every one who believes in them a heretic. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- :: This article is very interesting... Lloyd, However, I would like to hope that not all who are called by the title name "Christian" are stereotyped into the factions that started these ugly rumors you've listed in your article. As a matter of fact, anyone with any Bible literacy or common sense does not believe this junk you've listed in your article... I am Christian and find nothing in your article that agrees with Bible truths, especially the bits about rapture and something special with the year 2000. The doomsdayers are of the so called Christian factions that believe traditions of men and false doctrines that have been devised by men's imaginations. However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. If one does not understand the parable of the Fig Tree, little else of the Bible will ever make sense. It has to do with the last generation that would be established when Israel symbollically planted, as well as demographically planted, the good and the bad fig trees in Jerusalem; which they have done, making claim to Israel's announcement that she is a bonafide nation on May 15th, 1948. The good fig tree represents those who are pure in their lineage, truly 'Jews' (Hebrews) and the bad fig tree representing those who are tainted in their lineage, and 'who call themselves 'Jews', but are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan..." (Revelation 2:9; 3:9) The Bible declares that a "generation" can be 40 years, 50 years, 72 years, 80 years, or 120 years. So to say that Biblical promises are not kept, or that they were only given to Jesus' disciples is ludicrous. Jesus did in fact speak to the "last generation". Whether you want to believe it or not, makes me no mind... but for the record, you are living in that last generation; the generation that has seen Israel become a nation. I suppose the same could be said of Christians... those who say they are but are not... There are plenty of them around. They can talk the talk but few can walk the walk. Scoff if you must at Biblical truths. THAT too, was predicted would happen also. Count yourself among the many who scoff, and do not count yourself among the few... who don't. Peter said in his warning: "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the LAST DAYS 'scoffers' [mockers], walking after their own lusts [lies]; And saying 'Where is the promise of HIS [Jesus'] coming? For since the fathers fell asleep [died], all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation...' For this they willingly are ignorant..." 2-Peter 3:4 5. eagle 1 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 2:15 PM Subject: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- .. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: publish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN Date: Sunday, January 02, 2000 9:32 PM Americans are already beginning to examine their Y2K stores. What will become of the new DC generator stored in the garage, the porta-potty, the water purifier and the freeze-dried beef and canned wheat? A few who feared Y2K may have bought a remote cabin retreat with a garden plot, or left good jobs to avoid expected inter city ethnic catastrophe. We wish them well, they are not the first. For most, Y2K will simply be a memory and a useful dry run in self-preparedness. The biggest beneficiaries will be those who sold stuff and bad advice. The most surprised people may be retailers with a no-questions-asked return policy, for it is likely their parking lots and return lines will be very busy indeed. There may actually be a serious Y2K retail backlash from reverse sales when stuff gets returned and the family decides to eat up the stored spam and canned stew, however reluctantly, reducing their shopping needs for a few months. I have seen no polls on the matter, but without a doubt many of those most affected were influenced by Celebrity Christians, who were most susceptible to the apocalypse epidemic. The Y2K ripoff is part of a more damaging fleecing that has been perpetrated upon the Christians for three generations. It is part of the great "end times" hoax that is far more enduring and destructive than its adopted Y2K stepchild. The doomsday cult was hatched in the 1830's in England in the person of John Nelson Darby, the inventor of the British Israel movement. Before Darby's revelations believers in Christ's deity generally thought the "end time" ended when Jesus was murdered by the Pharisees and raised by God. (Jesus told his Disciples they were living in the last days) Jesus taught
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. If one does not understand the parable of the Fig Tree, little else of the Bible will ever make sense. It has to do with the last generation that would be established when Israel symbollically planted, as well as demographically planted, the good and the bad fig trees in Jerusalem; which they have done, making claim to Israel's announcement that she is a bonafide nation on May 15th, 1948. The good fig tree represents those who are pure in their lineage, truly 'Jews' (Hebrews) and the bad fig tree representing those who are tainted in their lineage, and 'who call themselves 'Jews', but are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan..." (Revelation 2:9; 3:9) The Bible declares that a "generation" can be 40 years, 50 years, 72 years, 80 years, or 120 years. So to say that Biblical promises are not kept, or that they were only given to Jesus' disciples is ludicrous. Jesus did in fact speak to the "last generation". Whether you want to believe it or not, makes me no mind... but for the record, you are living in that last generation; the generation that has seen Israel become a nation. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- LOL ... As a matter of fact, ROTFL, Kris. Yes, historical facts will bear witness to Israel's becoming a nation in 1948... And it is directly related to the Parable of the Fig Tree. No, Kris, I'm not special. However, I've learned that you sure think you are. So who is the pompous one? For the record, "Pride" is what brought Lucifer down. Of course, I remember... you don't believe in the devil, so I'm sure you don't associate yourself with anything called 'antichrist'. No racial excuses, here. Just the unadulterated truth... unlike CONSPIRACY THEORY that involves a lot of speculation, lies and forgeries, with a smatter of truth here and there to make it look good and believable. But there you go, just like a scoffer; just like some of the others, stereotyping. I've told you before, I belong to no religious organization. I support no religious affiliation. There is no category. Yet you have judged me for what I believe. There is a time you will answer for your judgments. Believe it now... or believe it when it happens. Either way, I won't be around when it happens. Regardless, I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks for the education. :) eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times. Arrogance. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- maybe so, but, knowledge has intensified in our times...not just technology but also Bible knowledge..so, even though thru out history people thought they were living in those times..the prophecies had not even come cloce to being fufilled.the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world..and now they are not..there are lots more signs, but I don't think you are truly interested in this thread so .. Om ks Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times. Arrogance. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- KDS, "Thief in the night" is a term latched on to by traditions of men, though the words are there, it has been twisted by men and his doctrines. It has been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another. JESUS was no thief... and he will come as no thief, per se. He will unexpectedly come to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or amilleniumism, etc., because those who believe those perversion of doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away; when he will actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken to this camp... Personally, I don't care to be in that group. Keeping watch..???. We are to know the SPIRITUAL seasons, which do not coincide with the physical seasons. Spiritually we are in late summer. Harvest time. "Pray that your flight be not in winter..." You can find that in Matthew 24 and Mark 13. That simply means pray that you are not "harvested" out of season by the antichrist's false religious message and giving nurture to that belief (woe to those who give suck)... . Humans can know about the time that Christ will return, but not exactly. Signs, wonders.. and times when certain things take place. It's all there for those who care to research it for themselves and quit listening to liars, and that includes some of the biggest ones of all, those who stand in the pulpits around the world. God would prefer it that you do your own research anyway. Your own personal investment in the research will prove it to you ... because there will be no one between you and GOD on judgment day. It's just you and Him. No preacher or church doctrine will save you at that time. How many times did Jesus say, "It is written..." ??? He said it many times, because He expected us to learn it for ourselves, rely upon HIS WORD, and quit depending upon others to tell us how it will and won't be. I am neither New Testament or Old Testament... However, you can't have the new without the old. A testament is a will, a decree of how things are and will be done. The New Testament did not do away with the old, it simply solidified the whole. You have to take both with a full understanding of it all, or you will literally miss the whole truth. THAT is why there are so many false doctrines out there... because there are too many who refuse to accept the new, and many more who only accept the new withoug the old. AND then there are those who have to "SEE TO BELIEVE"... must have physical evidence for everything... they are the lawyers, the same ones CHRIST called "liars", "vipers", and "hypocrits". Those who cannot understand His speech.. John 8:44. Signs and wonders are given on a daily basis about what time it is, spiritually speaking. If you want to drag physical phenomenon into the issue, you only need to look around you. The world is in the shape it's in, because from the beginning, it chose sin and disobedience rather than truth and life. eagle 1 ++ http://www.lambsheart.com http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/mark.html ++ - Original Message - From: "KDS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered??? Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Shame on you, Robert! You told half of the truth there, but missed the signs that Jesus gave with the explicit warning "When you see all of these things occuring, lift up your head, for your redemption is at hand". We are supposed to look, even if we aren't supposed to worry and fret over which day it is going to be. Eagle quoted scripture to back up his statements and you used scripture to back up your. Both quotes are the word of God, and you shouldn't be telling Eagle he is wrongmaybe YOU misunderstood the Acts quote. I see that quote as a clue to understanding Leviticus 23:22 and 23:43. God set those feast days by His own authority(I am the Lord your God). From: Robert Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:50:52 -0500 -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- KS, I have always believed the fig tree-Israel parable until recently. Now I'm not so sure. Where in the Bible does God ever refer to Israel as a fig tree? She is always the olive tree. It very well could be refering to something else. It could be refering to the tree that Adam and Eve hid in when they ate the fruit of knowledge. Who know? We've been taught what all of the prophesies mean by men instead of letting the Holy Spirit interpret them for us. Daniel's 70 weeks, a time, times and half a time. All of those things are NOT solved by any means. From: KDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0600 -Caveat Lector- If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html h
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-Caveat Lector- - And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times. Arrogance. MHO Om K Kris, it's not arrogance. It's HOPE. Pennie ** In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Pennie, ISRAEL is the OLIVE TREE... The fig trees were planted... symbollic of the true lineage of HEBREWS and the false ones who claim they are [HEBREWS] 'Jews' but are not. The fig trees were planted when ISRAEL, was planted in Jerusalem, around the hills of the Mount of Olives. This happened both symbolically as well as physically. Jesus said to "LEARN the parable of the fig tree". He said nothing about ISRAEL being the fig tree. Here's a wealth of information on that subject and more... http://www.thefigtree.com/ eagle 1 - Original Message - From: "pennie hammons" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- KS, I have always believed the fig tree-Israel parable until recently. Now I'm not so sure. Where in the Bible does God ever refer to Israel as a fig tree? She is always the olive tree. It very well could be refering to something else. It could be refering to the tree that Adam and Eve hid in when they ate the fruit of knowledge. Who know? We've been taught what all of the prophesies mean by men instead of letting the Holy Spirit interpret them for us. Daniel's 70 weeks, a time, times and half a time. All of those things are NOT solved by any means. From: KDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0600 -Caveat Lector- If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the Second Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the Truth. Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious pomposity! Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last days". It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one who would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable of the Fig Tree to the multitude. snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Pennie, ISRAEL is the OLIVE TREE... The fig trees were planted... symbollic of the true lineage of HEBREWS and the false ones who claim they are [HEBREWS] 'Jews' but are not. I'm sorry, but I don't understand who you are refering to when you say "those who say they are Jews, but are not". Does anyone really say that? I don't know of anyone who claims to be a Jew and isn't. I certainly didn't see anyone doing that 60 years ago, either. Since when does God care about "True lineage", when Rehab and Ruth were both foreigners, yet still ancesters of David and Jesus. They obviously didn't have true lineage. I really don't think that is what Jesus means when he says that about the Synagogue of Satan. That is a spiritual thing, a choice. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Exactly! And, IMHO, THIS is precisely what Jesus says time and time again: no one--no human being--is ever going to know when the Endtimes will begin. That is a divine prerogative, and desiring to usurp that prerogative is purest hubris, overweening pride, the pride that goeth before a fall. Even to SPECULATE about it borders on hubris. Our part in the drama is here and now--to spread the good news, to demonstrate *through our own lives* the truth of Christ's message, to build a society that embodies the ethical principles Jesus taught...which are virtually identical with the core ethical teachings of all great religions, like it or not. Please note that I DON'T say that our role is to go out and convert all of humanity. Conversion is between the individual and God...we can bring the sinner to the altar, but it must be the sinner's choice to kneel and ask for God's forgiveness. - Original Message - From: Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN -Caveat Lector- And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times. Arrogance. MHO Om K In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? snip DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] How many times did Jesus say, "It is written..." ??? He said it many times, because He expected us to learn it for ourselves, rely upon HIS WORD, and quit depending upon others to tell us how it will and won't be. Not being an avid religious scholar, I'll note now that ALL that follows is IMO (not IMHO, since I believe that Humble is a submissive word, and no longer belongs in my vocabulary). A problem I percieve with the above is that I am still being asked to rely on someones word, HIS, or others It is still asking me to put my own free-will(so-called) in the hands of another, on a (and admittedly the oldest) simple BELIEF system, and set of age-old promises. I have been Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, and other faiths I can't even remember. I left most of the individual churches because most people were either openly, or behind closed doors, criticizing everyone else in the group. I came to realize that the conflict was within my own moral and ethical codes. For some reason, I felt my own morals were greater than those being preached by the ministers. Although I am not exactly a believer right now, I know somewhere in the back of my consciousness, I may still be, yet, all my senses, and thought processes tell me I am not going anywhere after this physical life ceases to continue. I am neither New Testament or Old Testament... However, you can't have the new without the old. A testament is a will, a decree of how things are and will be done. The New Testament did not do away with the old, it simply solidified the whole. Or was it just an update to make the story jive with the times? Could a further installment be yet due? Maybe a NEWER Testament? Soon to be followed by a Bigger, Better, and Improved Testament? You have to take both with a full understanding of it all, or you will literally miss the whole truth. THAT is why there are so many false doctrines out there... because there are too many who refuse to accept the new, and many more who only accept the new withoug the old. AND then there are those who have to "SEE TO BELIEVE"... must have physical evidence for everything... It is in that sentence that allows the seperation to continue to this day. Those who believe in this matter, and are told to believe on faith alone, MUST be told that the ones who want Physical proof, are the ones who will never believe. And further, if a believer starts asking about having physical proof, or the lack thereof, he/she is accused of losing their faith, or worse yet, falling toward the side of the Devil. It is a VERY good way, IMO, of keeping the illusion alive. they are the lawyers, the same ones CHRIST called "liars", "vipers", and "hypocrits". Those who cannot understand His speech.. John 8:44. This part is where the the Prejudice is inserted into the Believers consciousness. THINK of these people as BAD. THEY are not to be TRUSTED. I don't believe that Christ, if HE was indeed real, and the SON of GOD, would have condoned discrimination. What ever happened to Turn-The-Other-Cheek? Signs and wonders are given on a daily basis about what time it is, spiritually speaking. If you want to drag physical phenomenon into the issue, you only need to look around you. The world is in the shape it's in, because from the beginning, it chose sin and disobedience rather than truth and life. What is this IT? I am not part of this all encompassing SOCIETY, if that is what you are refering to. Disobedience of what? I have yet to violate any of my own core beliefs, or values, and not repent that violation to my own inner conversation. I understand when I disappoint myself, but how do I know when I have disappointed some percieved authority figure who won't tell me when I have done so? I would like a chance to correct my mistakes before I meet this so-called Maker. What is Truth? I know what mine is, but fear many others in the world we know of have adopted someone elses 2000 year old version of the truth. It is not an inherently bad truth, taken as a set of ideals, or morals to integrate into ourselves. It is the application, abuse, and multitudes of interpretations that pervade this world. eagle 1 Someone else said: Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite enough of a challenge for any of us. Today is enough for me to deal with. Life is an incredible challenge, and I'll let any judging that needs to be done, be done at the end of my living. I believe in my own constitution, or Testament if-you-will, and believe that if there is an afterlife, admittance is going to be judged, not on a universal set of rules and regs, but how well I lived my life according to my own ideals, and dreams. If there is an afterlife, I also don't believe that there is any Pearly Gates, or Front Door Everyone would be welcome, or unwelcome,
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-Caveat Lector- Bill, ya really need to get a clue...but, I shall pray for ya buddy... ks William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:37:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation of Israel was scattered all over the world. Wait a minute here...the "nation of Isreal" was scattered??? Hmmm...actually the "nation of Israel" was created out of the thin air in recent times...before that there was no nation of Israel...and the so-called Israelites are really a diverse group of people...mostly from Europe and with NO genetic connection to the "Jews" of the Bible... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? Well, since at least one person asked, I'll stand up (on the regular floor, not the soapbox THIS time ;-D ) and give it a go: Try this: Live morally and spiritually as if the rapture/judgment were happening in the next 5 minutes. Live economically and ecologically as if it weren't happening for another 5,000 years. That means treat EVERYONE the way you want to be treated, use your discernment, practice careful stewardship of your treasure (this includes time and talent as well as material goods), and don't destroy the earth, for, as the Psalmist states "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof" (Psalm 24:1). That goes back around to treating others as you want to be treated. Of course if we all did that there would be no [insert bad thing here], and probably no conspiracy either, which means there would be no CTRLand.uhsits in corner she wrote herself into and giggles __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War.. Er. Jerusalem was taken in the six day war. Joshua2 as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks So should we stockpile water and ammo??? Will we need generators? How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??) There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- You are correct..6 day war it wassorry.stand corrected.. but I didn't even get a "nice try." like Bill did. ks Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 12:05:35 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War.. Er. Jerusalem was taken in the six day war. Joshua2 as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled.. ks So should we stockpile water and ammo??? Will we need generators? How,"ks" can we truly be prepared??? (If this isn't an invitation...what is??) There's the softball...can ya' hit it outta' the park??? Betcha' can! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 1:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No racial excuses, here. Just the unadulterated truth... unlike CONSPIRACY THEORY that involves a lot of speculation, lies and forgeries, with a smatter of truth here and there to make it look good and believable. Pardon my intrusion but it seems to me that your attribution to conspiracy theory, which is quite accurate in a lot of respects, also describes quite nicely almost every religion on the planet and just about every extant religious document, including the Bible. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "The earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof" Which, if true, makes all those deeds and mortgages nothing but paper and every one who believes in them a heretic. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/00 1:05:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch? Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why give us any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the hour but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the clock started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as the other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been fufilled .. ks Forst of all one would have to presume that the Bible is an accurate reflection of real FUTURE events. There are numerous interpretations that are thoroughly hermeneutical and accepted by many different scholars in the field regarding the prophecies of the Bible. If I were to argue that the prophecies in the Bible represented real future events (just for the sake of argument) I would NOT go about trying to match things up but instead would try to do as I had been instructed. No one knows the day or hour. Keep watch, not in a "look at the news" way, but keep watch in the sense of watching over ones own self to be sure that one is ready when Jesus returns. All of the allusions are about making ones own self ready and say nothing about looking for signs. Jesus says it is a wicked and adulterous generation which looks for signs. Be prepared spiritually for his arrival while being aware of the dangers posed by the Anti-Christ etc. Now having said that it is equally possible that all or at least part of the prophecies of the Bible are allegorical and general. If this is true then the prophecies concerning the "end times" would fit any time of trouble and tribulation and serve as a guide for how to live. For the wicked who look for a sign perhaps God has PLANNED many false starts for Jesus' return in order that they WILL BE deceived. I don't know one way or the other but am inclined to believe that what is contained in the Bible is allegorical and designed simply to send a moral message, and to present the model for spiritual advancement. I also favor the view that the Bible is TOO OFTEN used to control and manipulate people who are not well grounded in their faith, and more often than not by people who do not have a good grasp of it themselves. Just MO, of course. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/05/2000 3:15:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Americans are already beginning to examine their Y2K stores. What will become of the new DC generator stored in the garage, the porta-potty, the water purifier and the freeze-dried beef and canned wheat? A few who feared Y2K may have bought a remote cabin retreat with a garden plot, or left good jobs to avoid expected inter city ethnic catastrophe. We wish them well, they are not the first. For most, Y2K will simply be a memory and a useful dry run in self-preparedness. The biggest beneficiaries will be those who sold stuff and bad advice. The most surprised people may be retailers with a no-questions-asked return policy, for it is likely their parking lots and return lines will be very busy indeed. There may actually be a serious Y2K retail backlash from reverse sales when stuff gets returned and the family decides to eat up the stored spam and canned stew, however reluctantly, reducing their shopping needs for a few months. What's the big deal? I used to live in Utah, and most devout LDS folks have a one to two year supply of food stores and the means to live without all mod cons. It was one of the most admirable things about them. It took a lot of careful study, strict economy and planning to achieve this. It might be a good thing for everyone who has a family to consider keeping this particular custom. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
