Re: [CTRL] June: IMPORTANT: Final Y2K preparations

1999-12-15 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Edward Britton wrote:
Do you find that people in general are not smart enough to take this into
account when visiting the banks or are we all just sheep, ripe for the
pickings of governments, banks, and other criminals?

"People in general" are sheep...


Why should I be concerned with banks when it is MY butt that will be out in
the cold IF something does happen?

But it's not, at least as far as banks are concerned...


Oh, do "the rest of us" really know this? Do the rest of us place the same
trust in bank and government propaganda that you do? Do we all accept as
gospel the garbage pumped out by the media machine in this country?

Actually, the media is feeding the Y2K paranoia...

And I didn't say anything about government propaganda...in my opinion, we
are at good risk of 'someone' using Y2K as an excuse to institute martial
law, and your type of posts, which encourages "Chicken Little" thinking,
is just the thing to bring it about.

But as far as banks are concerned, they've been dealing with Y2K issues
for years (consider:  mortgages, consumer loans, long-term moneymarket
accounts)and banks have 'computer glitches' every day, and yet they
keep on functioning...

Even in a worse case scenario, people will be able to walk into their
local branch on Monday, Jan. 3rd, go up to a teller, and withdraw funds
from their accounts.

Banks routinely back up their data.  Every December 31st, they also do a
full system backup which is stored.  They do this every year, and Y2K
won't be any different.  Banks will NOT lose track of who has what
deposited where


Again, if everyone follows this advice, they will actually bring about
the very thing they fear...

Again, my concern is NOT for the freaking ponzi scheme market. Those who
lose money in the market should try earning their own money as opposed to
extracting the profits from the efforts and production of others.

I'm talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people
following your advice in the next two and a half weeks, and making a run
on the banks plus selling out on Wall Street...which would bring about a
financial crash to make 1929 look like a children's tea party...

And thereby bring about the very thing you fear...not by any software
glitch, but by your own stupid panic...


Wall Street, like banks, has been compliant for a long time...
Do you believe in the tooth fairy too :-)?

No, but you obviously believe in the Boogie Man...

I've been a COBOL programmer in the financial industry since the early
1980s, so I know the state of the industry's compliancy

I'm not saying there won't be glitches...what I AM saying is that the
world as we know it won't end, it won't even be severely impacted, due to
any Y2K glitches...


June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] June: IMPORTANT: Final Y2K preparations

1999-12-14 Thread Terry Trainor

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I'm wit' you, Ed.

 Subject: [CTRL] June: IMPORTANT: Final Y2K preparations


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 June:

 While I certainly respect your disparate opinion on this, I
 do have a few
 questions:

 That is, if you aren't mugged by all the savvy crooks who know how
 foolish people will follow this advice and be carrying large
 amounts of
 cash on themselves when they leave the bank...

 Do you find that people in general are not smart enough to
 take this into
 account when visiting the banks or are we all just sheep, ripe for the
 pickings of governments, banks, and other criminals?

Perhaps if the gun grabbers get their way we will be, but not yet!


 And then sit back in your barcolounger, secure in the fact that your
 actions -- along with a million or so other Chicken Littles,
 -- will help
 bring about the very thing you fear...

 Why should I be concerned with banks when it is MY butt that
 will be out in
 the cold IF something does happen?

Last I heard, all banks were NOT compliant.  Even the FAA's CLAIM of
compliance is subject to question.  (I wonder how many US airline VEEP's
will follow Chinas example and be airborne though midnight on NY eve?


 The rest of us know that banks, as an industry, were one of
 the first to
 become compliant, and even in a worse-case scenario, we will
 be able to
 physically walk into the local branch of our bank on January 3rd and
 present a demand deposit writ to the teller, and walk out
 with cash in
 hand...

 Oh, do "the rest of us" really know this? Do the rest of us
 place the same
 trust in bank and government propaganda that you do? Do we
 all accept as
 gospel the garbage pumped out by the media machine in this country?

Not hardly!  Worst case scenario?  This sounds like the BEST case scenario,
to me!  How can you assume that the FIRST business day there will be
electricity, employees, and $ in your bank, even IF it happened to be 'Y2K
compliant'???  And you assume that you will be able to get there, as well -
- -


 Again, if everyone follows this advice, they will actually
 bring about
 the very thing they fear...

 Again, my concern is NOT for the freaking ponzi scheme
 market. Those who
 lose money in the market should try earning their own money
 as opposed to
 extracting the profits from the efforts and production of others.

Some of us have retirement $ there; I am not actually worried LONG term; it
is the SHORT term that bothers me - I believe that within a few weeks, all
the glitches will be ironed out.

BUT - I do not bet my, nor my families, LIFE on this belief.


 Wall Street, like banks, has been compliant for a long time...

 Do you believe in the tooth fairy too :-)?

Oh come on, Ed - don't burst all the bubbles in a single post!

:^)

AmPat

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