Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-17 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Nicky Molloy wrote:

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 Joshua,

 Are you one of those fallen rebel angels incarnated into a human body? This
 is what I would expect to hear from a person rebelling against God. H?

 Nicky

Dear Nicky,

There is no god. There are no such things as angels. Your question is silly.

Joshua2

  Believing the Bible is much easier than facing life, death, and the
 relentless
  universe without BIG DADDY to watch over you. It takes guts to be a
 realist.
  That is why there are so few.
 
  Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-12 Thread Nicky Molloy

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Joshua,

Are you one of those fallen rebel angels incarnated into a human body? This
is what I would expect to hear from a person rebelling against God. H?

Nicky

 Believing the Bible is much easier than facing life, death, and the
relentless
 universe without BIG DADDY to watch over you. It takes guts to be a
realist.
 That is why there are so few.

 Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-11 Thread Dano

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William Shannon wrote:

 You've been sold a bill of goods...there IS no there
 there...Christianity is the longest running scam in history...
 and the Bible the greatest fraud ever sold.

Don't hold back William, tell us how you really feel!!

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-10 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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Dolly Spahni wrote:

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 If believing in the Bible were the easy way out, I'm positive more people
 would surely be doing it. It has nothing to do with ease, it has ALL to do
 with PRIDE. You want to be the master of your own life. I've lived my life
 the way your doing now, and I can tell you from experience that my life now
 is infinitely better.

 There is no difference
between angels and the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. The reason SOME religious
people fell good about their religion is called the Placebo Effect. They
believe that their faith is doing them good, and that belief is what causes
the improvement. Sugar pills do the same thing.

 I live my life by faith, you live yours by works. If you're happy with that
 choice, good for you.

Faith is bullshit unless you do good works with it. This was one of Paul's
serious mistakes in inventing Christianity. He did it to separate HIS new
invention from Judaism which is entirely based on good works. He did it to make
it easier for Gentile converts. It's easier to live in fantasy than to do
good works in the real world. It requires NOTHING of the individual to believe.
Good works on the other hand may require charity, time, consideration, and
effort on the part of individuals for others. As Christianity matured it
began to value good works, and in those cases has made life better for more
people.

Believing the Bible is much easier than facing life, death, and the relentless
universe without BIG DADDY to watch over you. It takes guts to be a realist.
That is why there are so few.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-10 Thread Tenorlove

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--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no difference between angels and the tooth fairy and Santa
Claus. 

Then angels must be real, because I'm the tooth fairy and my husband is
Santa Claus. :-D
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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-10 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/10/00 12:25:09 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Who said that being a Christian was easy?  LOL EASE?  That is a myth for
 sure.
 Believing in self...  the love of self...  the generation of the "me first
 babies"
 are those who have no fear,  who believe only in themselves are those who
 will fall the hardest...   "How art the mighty fallen?" 

Sorry charlie...it seems to me that you misunderstand. Believing that "the
Bible says it...and that settles it" is the copout. That's the easy way...to
never have to wrestle with tough issues because some "expert" has decided to
brainwash you with his interpretation of a book of fiction, is easy. To so
faithfully go along with the sham that is your religion...that's a shame.
You've been sold a bill of goods...there IS no there there...Christianity is
the longest running scam in history...and the Bible the greatest fraud ever
sold.
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-10 Thread Eagle 1

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First of all...  my name isn't Charlie...
And please do believe that the Bible is a fraud.  Express your freedom of
speech and freedom of choice.  Makes me no mind...  (However,  I do hope I'm
around to see your face when you find out it [the Bible] was all true,
while you scoffed and mocked).  But until that day,  you can no more prove
the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon.

I'm not asking you to believe as I believe.  As a matter of fact,  I really
could care less what you believe.  It's YOUR CHOICE,   YOUR soul your
dealing with,  and that's absolutely none of my affair.  Believe what you
want to...  just give me the space to believe and express my beliefs in
equal time,  Bill...

eagle 1

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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Khazars


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Bono-

 In a message dated 1/10/00 12:25:09 AM Central Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Who said that being a Christian was easy?  LOL EASE?  That is a myth
for
  sure.
  Believing in self...  the love of self...  the generation of the "me
first
  babies"
  are those who have no fear,  who believe only in themselves are those who
  will fall the hardest...   "How art the mighty fallen?" 

 Sorry charlie...it seems to me that you misunderstand. Believing that "the
 Bible says it...and that settles it" is the copout. That's the easy
way...to
 never have to wrestle with tough issues because some "expert" has decided
to
 brainwash you with his interpretation of a book of fiction, is easy. To so
 faithfully go along with the sham that is your religion...that's a shame.
 You've been sold a bill of goods...there IS no there there...Christianity
is
 the longest running scam in history...and the Bible the greatest fraud
ever
 sold.
 Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-10 Thread flw

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 Believing the Bible is much easier than facing life, death, and the relentless
 universe without BIG DADDY to watch over you. It takes guts to be a realist.
 That is why there are so few.

 Joshua2

Yes I agree. Would be just as true if you substitute the word "GOVERNMENT"
for Bible and Daddy.
flw

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I feel as long as God knows who the true Jewish people are, that's good
enough for me. I don't think it matters one little bit to God if there are
those who deny, or doubt the existence of His chosen people. When He's had
enough of mans inhumanity to man, everything will fall into place just the
way He wants it to, and the 12 Tribes of Israel will be in their promised
land, never to be scattered again.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/9/00 3:52:54 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 I feel as long as God knows who the true Jewish people are, that's good
 enough for me. 

U, OK...must be nice to be able to disregard any facts that cause
discomfort by saying that "god knows..." certainly it's easier than doing any
research or confronting facts that don't fit your paradigm...but this type of
apathy is par for that particular course...
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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I don't feel believing and trusting in my Bible could be called apathy.  Man
always has their own agenda, and as far as I'm concerned, if they say or
write anything that is contrary to God's Word, it's FALSE. You've placed your
trust in man, but I place mine in God.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 1/9/00 7:04:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 You've placed your
 trust in man, but I place mine in God. 

Oh whatever!
You've placed your "trust" in a book, written by men via consensus, that
purports to be, but certainly isn't,"god's word"...I think my way is more
reasonable...especially in light of all the available evidence...But I
understand the appeal of your way...however taking the easy way out isn't my
bag.
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread pmeares

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William Shannon wrote:

 You've placed your "trust" in a book, written by men via consensus, that
 purports to be, but certainly isn't,"god's word"...


from:
Peter McWilliams
http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/403a.htm


The Bible can be used to praise or condemn practically any human activity,
thought, belief, or practice. As with the works of Shakespeare, if one
looks carefully, one can find a quotation, incident, or story to support or
undermine anything.

Alas, this practice has been used by many people to justify their own
prejudices (by proving that "God thinks this way, too"), as a justification
for grabbing and holding power ("It's not what I want, it's what God
wants!"), or as the perfect excuse for not taking a fearless look at
themselves and making necessary—although admittedly uncomfortable—
personal changes in attitude and behavior.

It's not the Bible itself that condemns... but the misuse of the Bible by
petty, fearful, manipulative, or misguided individuals who deceptively
quote from the Bible not as an illumination of truth, but as a
justification of their own limited point of view. Allow me to quote Alan
Watts at length. He says all I want to say here, and says it much better
than IIn my estimation, he was one of the finest philosophers of this
century. Although he had a master's in theology and a doctorate in
divinity, he seldom had the pretension of calling himself "Dr. Watts"
(although, while an Episcopal priest, he probably tolerated the obligatory
"Father Watts"). As fine as his writing is, I find his recorded lectures
even more delightful. (His tapes and several books are available from his
son, Mark Watts, P.O. Box 938, Point Reyes Station, CA 94956.) Although
Watts died in 1973, his writings and his lectures are as contemporary,
witty, and penetrating as ever.

The Bible is the inerrant word
of the living God.
It is absolutely infallible,
without error in all matters
pertaining to faith and practice,
as well as in areas such as
geography, science, history, etc.
-- JERRY FALWELL

"[The Bible is] an anthology of ancient literature that contains sublime
wisdom along with barbaric histories and the war songs of tribes on the
rampage. All this is taken as the literal Word and counsel of God, as it is
by fundamentalist sects, which—by and large—know nothing of the history of
the Bible, of how it was edited and put together. So we have with us the
social menace of a huge population of intellectually and morally
irresponsible people.

"[The Bible is a] translation of Hebrew and Greek documents composed
between 900 B.C. and A.D. 120. There is no manuscript of the Old Testament;
that  is, of the Hebrew Scriptures, written in Hebrew, earlier than the
Ninth Century B.C. But we know that these documents were first put together
and recognized as the Holy Scriptures by a convention of rabbis held at
Jamnia (Yavne) in Palestine shortly before A.D. 100. On their say-so.
Likewise, the composition of the Christian Bible, which documents to
include and which to drop, was decided by a council of the Catholic Church
held in Carthage in the latter part of the Fourth Century.

"The point is that the books translated in the . . . Bible were declared
canonical and divinely inspired by the authority (A) of the Synod of Jamnia
and (B) of the Catholic Church, meeting in Carthage more than 300 years
after the time of Jesus. It is thus that fundamentalist Protestants get the
authority of their Bible from Jews who had rejected Jesus and from
Catholics whom they abominate as the Scarlet Woman mentioned in
Revelation." -- Alan Watts

I could not believe that anyone who had read this book
would be so foolish as to proclaim that the Bible in every
literal word was the divinely inspired, inerrant word of God.
Have these people simply not read the text? Are they hopelessly
uninformed? Is there a different Bible? Are they blinded by a
combination of ego needs and naivete? - BISHOP JOHN SHELBY SPONG

As Archbishop Desmond Tutu explained, When the missionaries came to Africa
they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, "Let us pray." We closed
our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Dolly Spahni

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If believing in the Bible were the easy way out, I'm positive more people
would surely be doing it. It has nothing to do with ease, it has ALL to do
with PRIDE. You want to be the master of your own life. I've lived my life
the way your doing now, and I can tell you from experience that my life now
is infinitely better.
I live my life by faith, you live yours by works. If you're happy with that
choice, good for you.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Eric Graber

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With all due respect it has a lot to do with ease and more even with ignorance.
It is easier to believe in the greatness of others than it is to believe in
oneself.  It is a book of fables meant to inspire the weak.

"Religion is a collective insanity."
-Mikhail A. Bakunin-

"I would that the last king were strangled with the guts of the last priest."
-Jean Meslier-

Dolly Spahni wrote:

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 If believing in the Bible were the easy way out, I'm positive more people
 would surely be doing it. It has nothing to do with ease, it has ALL to do
 with PRIDE. You want to be the master of your own life. I've lived my life
 the way your doing now, and I can tell you from experience that my life now
 is infinitely better.
 I live my life by faith, you live yours by works. If you're happy with that
 choice, good for you.

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Re: [CTRL] Khazars

2000-01-09 Thread Eagle 1

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Who said that being a Christian was easy?  LOL EASE?  That is a myth for
sure.
Believing in self...  the love of self...  the generation of the "me first
babies"
are those who have no fear,  who believe only in themselves are those who
will fall the hardest...   "How art the mighty fallen?"

Dolly said it best...
If believing in the Bible were the easy way out,  I'm positive more people
would surely be doing it.   and  I live my life by faith, you live yours
by works. If you're happy with that choice, good for you.

I say,  good for you,  too...
And by the way,  when the hammer comes down,  have a nice trip, Eric.

(: Dolly,  you hang in there.  This is a tough crowd.  :)

eagle 1


- Original Message -
From: "Eric Graber" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Khazars


 -Caveat Lector-

 -Caveat Lector-

 With all due respect it has a lot to do with ease and more even with
ignorance.
 It is easier to believe in the greatness of others than it is to believe
in
 oneself.  It is a book of fables meant to inspire the weak.

 "Religion is a collective insanity."
 -Mikhail A. Bakunin-

 "I would that the last king were strangled with the guts of the last
priest."
 -Jean Meslier-

 Dolly Spahni wrote:

   -Caveat Lector-
 
  If believing in the Bible were the easy way out, I'm positive more
people
  would surely be doing it. It has nothing to do with ease, it has ALL to
do
  with PRIDE. You want to be the master of your own life. I've lived my
life
  the way your doing now, and I can tell you from experience that my life
now
  is infinitely better.
  I live my life by faith, you live yours by works. If you're happy with
that
  choice, good for you.

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==
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and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
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spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
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