Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
Thanks for collating this list for us Nessie. Some very interesting names there, no? In an aside, is there any relationship between the SMOM and the Shickshinny Knights of Malta? On Tue, 06 June 2000, nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "...knighted in the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templars)..." The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, better known as the Knights of Malta are the military wing of the Catholic Church. They are also a sovereign country, even though their only "territory" is an office building on Via Condotti in Rome. Thirty five countries maintain diplomatic relations with them; over forty recognize their passport. Some Knights of Malta (in no particular order): Charles Willoughby, (born Karl Widenbach) Chief of Intelligence for Gen. Douglas MacAuthur Robert Wagner, Mayor of New York, Atty. for Otto von Bolschwing William R Grace, founder of the WR Grace Co. J. Peter Grace, son of WR, head of the company and head of Reagan's "Grace Committee" which oversaw the planning of government's downsizing. Martin F Shae Executive VP of Morgan Bank, handled telexing of funds for OSS chief Wild Bill Donovan, WWII Gen. Wild Bill Donovan, Wall St. lawyer, founder of OSS, America's first central intelligence agency. Alfred Bloomingdale, served on Reagan's foreign intelligence advisory Board, better known for role in Vicki Morgan sex scandal. General Charles Pierce Cable Deputy Director of Central Intelligence under Allen Dulles Carl Cabell, brother of the mayor of Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Tom Bolan, law partner of Roy Cohn, top advisor to Sen. Alphonse D'Amato. George W. Anderson, member of intelligence advisory board under Nixon. John D. J. Moore, WR Grace board member, former Ambassador to Ireland. Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense. James J. Angleton, poet, orchid enthusiast, head of CIA counter intelligence. Lee Iacocca, titan of industry, sold Detroit to Japan Admiral James D. Watkins, Reagan's Chief of Naval Operations. Vernon Walters, CIA trouble shooter, Reagan's roving ambassador. Spyro Skouros, 20th Century Fox, OSS Walter Reuther, labor leader Henry Luce, publisher of *Life*, acid head. Alexander Haig, "I'm in charge here." Peter Dominici, chairman of sub committee on terrorism. William Clark, judge, National Security Advisor, brought Helena von Damm into USA Reinhard Gehlen, highest ranking Nazi intelligence officer to defect to US, head of the the "Gehlen Org," America's sole source of info from inside USSR immediately after WWII, more than any other single man created the Cold War, later went on to head BND, West Germany's "CIA." Though a protestant, Gehlen's role in the "crusade" against "Godless Communism" warranted him a knighthood. William Casey, Director of CIA, head of Reagan-Bush campaign, engineered "October Surprise," architect of contra-gate. James Buckley, Radio Free Europe William Buckley, founder of YAF, author of spy novels, TV talk show host, and noted debater. John Volpe, Ambassador to Italy. John McCone, Director of Central Intelligence. King Baudouin of Belgium. Henri d'Orleans, Pretender to the throne of France. Jeremiah Denton, senator Peter Dominici, senator William Wilson, Reagan's special emissary to the Vatican Patrick Frawley, founder of Christian Anti-Communist Crusade, whose fortune derives from the Schick razor empire. He own a number of right wing Catholic media outlets, including *Twin Circles*, magazine, and *National Catholic Register*. His wife is a Dame of Malta and a leading member of Right to Life League and a patron of Catholic anti abortion propagandist Phyllis Schlafly. Phyllis's husband is Patrick's employee. Robert H Abplanalp, Nixon croney, real estate hustler Joseph Kennedy, bootlegger, ambassador to England, father of various sons. Baron Hilton, innkeeper. William Stankard, Director of Chase Manhatten Bank. Danny Thomas, entertainer A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
From: "tenebroust" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Given Miller's various pursuits and his military carrer, as well as his affiliations it is reasonable to presume that he is an "intelligence agent" of one kind or another. Given his remarks and clear willingness to be associated with UFO groups it stands to reason that what he says is highly suspect, and could be disinformation. Also setting up meetings at the Pentagon is NOT a big deal, just as the one editor said. And the fact that many people in government "are interested in the subject" has nothing to do with what level that interest is at and what they are doing (or have the power to do) to get it resolved. Remember Clinton supposedly wanted a closer look at the UFO situation, the Kennedy assassination and Area-51. Well he didn't do anything to enlighten anybody, if he found out anything at all. And hey, remember Jimmy Carter before he was elected, admitted to having seen at least one UFO, and promised to get to 'the truth' of UFOs once elected to office... We're still waiting... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
From: "Nicky Molloy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the recent May 21, 2000 Boston Globe newspaper article "UFO Theorists Gain Support Abroad, But Repression At Home" see: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/2000/may/m21-011.shtml authored by Leslie Kean, three paragraphs are devoted to the mention of a U.S. Naval Reserve Commander by the name of Willard H. Miller. I suppose this is your attempt at presenting evidence, but it contains none, only personal opinion. Nowhere in the article does it say that Miller believes ETs are piloting UFOs. There is also the possibility that that Miller is a disinformationalist, either knowing or unknowing (he may be manipulated by others). Leslie Kean was interviewed by Whitley Strieber on the Dreamland radio program [Sunday, May 28, 2000] regarding her article which appeared in The Boston Globe. During the interview, Kean told of a 'reluctance' by newspaper editors to print her article, and spoke of several publications, including The Washington Times, which rejected her material outright. This shows that what we are reading is actually secondhand hearsay... this article is about an article that contains 3 paragraphs supposedly quoting Miller. We are not reading Miller's words directly, but as they are filtered through 2 sets of reporters. About 1-hour and 26-minutes into the radio program, Leslie Kean said that newspaper editors were uncomfortable to her reference of Willard H. Miller and his Pentagon briefings. We only have Kean's word for this. No EVIDENCE is given to support this claim. In an announcement to promote the lecture, Pensacola/Gulf Breeze MUFON stated: "Commander Miller's accomplishments are varied and worldwide. He has been a public school English teacher, a decorated Vietnam War veteran, and worked for Honeywell, Inc. and SAIC (Science Applications International Corporation). In 1989, he was voluntarily recalled to active duty to help the Department of Defense (DoD) stand up its "War on Drugs." He has served as a DoD Civil Service Program Analyst/Technology Support Specialist, and has worked with U.S. Atlantic Command, U.S. Space Command, and many other military agencies and companies on projects including nuclear, natural, technological disaster mitigation, WW-III contingencies, and Space Warfare. He has held clearances for Top Secret (TS) and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). Commander Miller is knighted in the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templars), the oldest military knighthood (1118 AD). Let's see...as anyone who has been on this list for any amount of time will know, there are many intriguing connections listed above that could bolster the suspicion that this guy is a disinformationalist... ;-) Honeywell. SAIC. "...volunarily recalled to active duty to help the Department of Defense...stand up its 'War on Drugs.'..." "...worked with...many other military agencies and companies on projects including nuclear, natural, technological disaster mitigation, WW-III contingencies, and Space Warfare..." "...knighted in the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templars)..." These connections go further to bolstering the theory that the supposed ET invasion is a totally concocted fantasy to further the agenda of the New World Order, as an excuse acceptable by the public to voluntarily give up what little rights the public still has, rather than to bolster the theory that UFOs exist and are piloted by beings from outer space... Greer, whose state of mind has openly been questioned on the internet in a March 4, 1998 report by Charles T. Oliphant III - see UFO Updates: http://www.ufomind.com/misc/1998/mar/d20-001.shtml is said to have remote-viewed extraterrestrials inside Mt. Blanca during a night training session in The San Luis Valley [Colorado]. THIS is your 'evidence'? How do you know this guy doesn't have an overactive imagination, or was outright hallucinating? Or is a con artist, spinning an elaborate lie to convince people to by his $125 UFO kit? And if he is legit, if he sincerely is psychically communing with other beings, what PROOF is there that these other beings aren't lying? What EVIDENCE is there that these supposed beings come from outer space, other than their supposed claim? I can say that I remote-view Elvis every night. We have long conversations, including him telling me how he faked his death and flew to Alpha Centauri in a Super Top Secret space program that was never made public. Elvis contacted me because he wants me to let the public know that he and his comrades are now under attack by ET rap artists, and he wants our help. Would you believe me? Had the reporter that prepared the May 21, 2000 Boston Globe article, Leslie Kean [who also told Whitley Strieber of her suspicions of being held 'under surveillance' and also dealing with computer problems while preparing her UFO report], Again, reporter
Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: "...knighted in the Sovereign Military Order of the Temple of Jerusalem (Knights Templars)..." The Sovereign Military Order of Malta, better known as the Knights of Malta are the military wing of the Catholic Church. They are also a sovereign country, even though their only "territory" is an office building on Via Condotti in Rome. Thirty five countries maintain diplomatic relations with them; over forty recognize their passport. Some Knights of Malta (in no particular order): Charles Willoughby, (born Karl Widenbach) Chief of Intelligence for Gen. Douglas MacAuthur Robert Wagner, Mayor of New York, Atty. for Otto von Bolschwing William R Grace, founder of the WR Grace Co. J. Peter Grace, son of WR, head of the company and head of Reagan's "Grace Committee" which oversaw the planning of government's downsizing. Martin F Shae Executive VP of Morgan Bank, handled telexing of funds for OSS chief Wild Bill Donovan, WWII Gen. Wild Bill Donovan, Wall St. lawyer, founder of OSS, America's first central intelligence agency. Alfred Bloomingdale, served on Reagan's foreign intelligence advisory Board, better known for role in Vicki Morgan sex scandal. General Charles Pierce Cable Deputy Director of Central Intelligence under Allen Dulles Carl Cabell, brother of the mayor of Dallas the day Kennedy was killed. Tom Bolan, law partner of Roy Cohn, top advisor to Sen. Alphonse D'Amato. George W. Anderson, member of intelligence advisory board under Nixon. John D. J. Moore, WR Grace board member, former Ambassador to Ireland. Richard Perle, former Assistant Secretary of Defense. James J. Angleton, poet, orchid enthusiast, head of CIA counter intelligence. Lee Iacocca, titan of industry, sold Detroit to Japan Admiral James D. Watkins, Reagan's Chief of Naval Operations. Vernon Walters, CIA trouble shooter, Reagan's roving ambassador. Spyro Skouros, 20th Century Fox, OSS Walter Reuther, labor leader Henry Luce, publisher of *Life*, acid head. Alexander Haig, "I'm in charge here." Peter Dominici, chairman of sub committee on terrorism. William Clark, judge, National Security Advisor, brought Helena von Damm into USA Reinhard Gehlen, highest ranking Nazi intelligence officer to defect to US, head of the the "Gehlen Org," America's sole source of info from inside USSR immediately after WWII, more than any other single man created the Cold War, later went on to head BND, West Germany's "CIA." Though a protestant, Gehlen's role in the "crusade" against "Godless Communism" warranted him a knighthood. William Casey, Director of CIA, head of Reagan-Bush campaign, engineered "October Surprise," architect of contra-gate. James Buckley, Radio Free Europe William Buckley, founder of YAF, author of spy novels, TV talk show host, and noted debater. John Volpe, Ambassador to Italy. John McCone, Director of Central Intelligence. King Baudouin of Belgium. Henri d'Orleans, Pretender to the throne of France. Jeremiah Denton, senator Peter Dominici, senator William Wilson, Reagan's special emissary to the Vatican Patrick Frawley, founder of Christian Anti-Communist Crusade, whose fortune derives from the Schick razor empire. He own a number of right wing Catholic media outlets, including *Twin Circles*, magazine, and *National Catholic Register*. His wife is a Dame of Malta and a leading member of Right to Life League and a patron of Catholic anti abortion propagandist Phyllis Schlafly. Phyllis's husband is Patrick's employee. Robert H Abplanalp, Nixon croney, real estate hustler Joseph Kennedy, bootlegger, ambassador to England, father of various sons. Baron Hilton, innkeeper. William Stankard, Director of Chase Manhatten Bank. Danny Thomas, entertainer A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL]
Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
In a message dated 6/6/00 4:18:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joseph Kennedy, bootlegger, ambassador to England, father of various sons. Various sons... LOL. I would appreciate it if someone could give some supporting documentation, articles, etc., to back-up that old Joe was a bootlegger. His family and Rose's were in the legit liquor business before Prohibition, and I did find a reference that he supplied liquor to a grateful group of his Harvard buddies at some alumni party... but that's all I've found so far. It's taken as gospel that this is the truth about old Joe. "Everyone KNOWS" it's all true, but where is the supporting documentation? I'm not asking tongue-in-cheek or even to make a point. I'd really like to have some information. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Naval Reserve Comm Willard H.Miller on UFO Situation
Given Miller's various pursuits and his military carrer, as well as his affiliations it is reasonable to presume that he is an "intelligence agent" of one kind or another. Given his remarks and clear willingness to be associated with UFO groups it stands to reason that what he says is highly suspect, and could be disinformation. Also setting up meetings at the Pentagon is NOT a big deal, just as the one editor said. And the fact that many people in government "are interested in the subject" has nothing to do with what level that interest is at and what they are doing (or have the power to do) to get it resolved. Remember Clinton supposedly wanted a closer look at the UFO situation, the Kennedy assassination and Area-51. Well he didn't do anything to enlighten anybody, if he found out anything at all. On Tue, 06 June 2000, Nicky Molloy wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (Mailing List 1) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (Mailing List 1) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Date: Tuesday, 6 June 2000 09:53 Subject: (Fwd) [SO] Boston Globe: Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. --- Forwarded message follows --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: AGETI_Giuliano-Jimmy-Marinkovicc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:24:42 -0500 Subject:[SO] Boston Globe: Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] __UFO UpDates Mailing List__ Boston Globe: Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. From: _Kenny Young [EMAIL PROTECTED]_ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 13:15:53 -0400 Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 10:30:25 -0400 Subject: Boston Globe: Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. In the recent May 21, 2000 Boston Globe newspaper article "UFO Theorists Gain Support Abroad, But Repression At Home" see: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/2000/may/m21-011.shtml authored by Leslie Kean, three paragraphs are devoted to the mention of a U.S. Naval Reserve Commander by the name of Willard H. Miller. Kean writes: "US Naval Reserve Commander Willard H. Miller has long been communicating this same concern [the UFO situation] to high level federal officials. With over 30 years in Navy and joint interagency operations with the Defense Department, Miller has participated in a series of previously undisclosed briefings for Pentagon brass about military policy regarding UFOs. "Like many, Miller says he worries that the military's lack of preparation for encounters with unexplained craft could provoke dangerous confrontation when, and if, such an encounter occurs; ''precipitous military decisions,'' he warns, ''may lead to unnecessary confusion, misapplication of forces, or possible catastrophic consequences.'' "And he says he is not alone in his concerns. ''There are those in high places in the government who share a growing interest in this subject,'' Miller reports.''" Leslie Kean was interviewed by Whitley Strieber on the Dreamland radio program [Sunday, May 28, 2000] regarding her article which appeared in The Boston Globe. During the interview, Kean told of a 'reluctance' by newspaper editors to print her article, and spoke of several publications, including The Washington Times, which rejected her material outright. About 1-hour and 26-minutes into the radio program, Leslie Kean said that newspaper editors were uncomfortable to her reference of Willard H. Miller and his Pentagon briefings. Several newspaper editors sought to omit this specific issue from her report. Although The Boston Globe editors were hesitant to allow inclusion of this detail, she said, the newspaper ultimately permitted this item to be given reader consideration. Kean also said that editors of The Sacremento Bee were very hesitant to cope with the Miller briefings, and told her: "Meetings at The Pentagon are not that significant." Sacremento Bee editors also told her that "it was easy to set up a meeting." Reporter Leslie Kean explained how she argued the significance of the meeting, and felt that such high-level discussions warranted reportage. This three-paragraph entry in Kean's report seems to add a level of intrigue by mentioning "undisclosed Pentagon policy briefings" of UFOs. Had Kean explored Miller's interest in UFOs further, she might have informed the reader that he is also closely affiliated with CSETI, having completed Advanced UFO/ETI Research Training in Charlottesville, Virginia in May of 1999. On October 10, 1999, Miller spoke at a meeting of Pensacola/Gulf Breeze MUFON, telling the $10.00 per-person gathering at the Gulf Breeze Recreation Center what he believes the Department of Defense (DoD) knows about UFOs. In an announcement to promote the lecture, Pensacola/Gulf Breeze MUFON stated: "Commander Miller's accomplishments are varied and worldwide. He has been a
