Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- --- Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, June, I was asking Nate for I do not discuss anything with you if I can help it but since you have butted in, that just is not nearly good enough. The idea of including straight kids in an organization knowing full well that they are not likely to participate Due to guilt by association. Note, too, that heterosexual males are NEVER placed in charge of GIRL Scouts nor have they demanded to be so. That would be totally inappropriate and unacceptable, too. When I was in the Girl Scouts 2 or 3 of the fathers would drive up to the campsite with us, help set up, haul water (the camp at the time didn't have running water), eat a hot dog or 2, and then LEAVE. They NEVER spent the night at the campsite with us. That, and buying/eating cookies, was the extent of the fathers' participation. In my sons' Cub Scout pack, every adult involved is a parent of a member. Hope you know Scout enrollment has skyrocketed since this issue came up for people are showing their support for them in records numbers. This year, we had to split our pack in half because it got so big. Any money I would have spent on the local schools will go directly to the Scouts to replace that to which they were entitled that has been robbed from them by those seeking to promote an agenda unacceptable to the BSA. We lost our United Way funding. Private donations soared, and United Way donations fell. I don't think my employer is going to designate UW as one of the charities in this year's holiday drive, because the donations dropped too much. From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] .in fact they encourage straights to also join their clubs to facilitate dialogue between the 2 groups... Which also results in the straight student being automatically branded as gay. The BSA discriminates, plain and simple; THAT is why they are being banned from using taxpayer-funded facilities... Not in my town they're not. Of course they are; what they are NOT entitled to is to impose their superstitions onto the rest of society. As was mentioned in another post, if you think homosexuality is a sin, don't do it; but don't think that you have the right to make your superstition into law effecting the rights of all homosexuals. Is AIDS a superstition? How about Hepatitis B, or the various bowel and rectal conditions caused by insertion of things that way? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Amelia wrote: But I DO have a question for you since you are a most tolerant fellow by your own claims. Why are there over 800 schools in this country that provide facilities for the gay student clubs (Gay Pride or whatever each is called) based on their homosexual orientation yet deny the Boy Scouts the use of those same facilities based on their heterosexual orientation? Because the gay and lesbian student clubs do not discriminate against heterosexuals...in fact they encourage straights to also join their clubs to facilitate dialogue between the 2 groups... The BSA discriminates, plain and simple; THAT is why they are being banned from using taxpayer-funded facilities... Now Nessie claims the teaching of human sexuality is biology but it has far more ramifications that that, at least for most humans. It has psychological effects and some of this coarse, crude stuff 'Course' and 'crude' are purely subjective terms; what you deem 'course' and 'crude' others may deem enjoyable and fun... And I think that those who oppose a gay lifestyle on the basis of their religion or whatever as just as entitled to their beliefs as you are to yours. Of course they are; what they are NOT entitled to is to impose their superstitions onto the rest of society. As was mentioned in another post, if you think homosexuality is a sin, don't do it; but don't think that you have the right to make your superstition into law effecting the rights of all homosexuals. June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Well, June, I was asking Nate for I do not discuss anything with you if I can help it but since you have butted in, that just is not nearly good enough. The idea of including straight kids in an organization knowing full well that they are not likely to participate is a ratther safe and smug way of discriminating without appearing to do so. Sure, some might attend who have gay friends, etc. but I dare say they, the straight kids, would NOT be placed IN CHARGE of the organization the way a Boy Scout Scoutmaster would be. This is a totally invalid argument and comparing merely attending to an adult being responsible and having authority over Scouts. Big, Big difference. For one glaringly obvious thing, they would all be the same age if straight kids attended but it is an ADULT gay who is demanding to be placed in charge of CHILDREN Scouts. Note, too, that heterosexual males are NEVER placed in charge of GIRL Scouts nor have they demanded to be so. That would be totally inappropriate and unacceptable, too. Makes me wonder just why the desperation for gays to be placed in charge of the little boys. Now you are evermore ridiculing the spelling of others so I must also take note of your changing my wording of 'coarse' as in lacking refinement to your 'course' as in GIVING INSTRUCTION? Little Freudian slip there? LOL!! And you wonder why parents are concerned!! But this discourse with you and Nate has inspired me and I have contacted my State reps voicing my opinion and will do so to national ones expressing my outrage that tax money is being used to discriminate and disallow the Boy Scouts on the most unfair basis as you have described for it is NOT the same at all. Your idea that 'inclusion' by other students and placing an ADULT in CHARGE are the same it totally bogus and invalid and does not hold water. I also doubt that the gay groups go alone into unsupervised camping areas under the tutelage of adult heterosexual for days at a time. Apples and oranges but I will protest MY tax money supporting this discriminatory action. At the least, I can refuse to locally buy all the little goodies and make all the donations I am constantly asked for on this basis. Parents and parents ONLY have the right to control what their children are taught in matters concerning morals, values, religion and sexual behavior for they are the ones ultimately responsible for their children. You are only entitled to live your OWN live and chose your own lifestyle. You are NOT entitled to have access to the children of others nor the Boy Scouts. So it is just as I thought~~the tyranny of the vocal minority wanting to spoil things for everybody else. Hope you know Scout enrollment has skyrocketed since this issue came up for people are showing their support for them in records numbers. Any money I would have spent on the local schools will go directly to the Scouts to replace that to which they were entitled that has been robbed from them by those seeking to promote an agenda unacceptable to the BSA. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Amelia wrote: But I DO have a question for you since you are a most tolerant fellow by your own claims. Why are there over 800 schools in this country that provide facilities for the gay student clubs (Gay Pride or whatever each is called) based on their homosexual orientation yet deny the Boy Scouts the use of those same facilities based on their heterosexual orientation? Because the gay and lesbian student clubs do not discriminate against heterosexuals...in fact they encourage straights to also join their clubs to facilitate dialogue between the 2 groups... The BSA discriminates, plain and simple; THAT is why they are being banned from using taxpayer-funded facilities... Now Nessie claims the teaching of human sexuality is biology but it has far more ramifications that that, at least for most humans. It has psychological effects and some of this coarse, crude stuff 'Course' and 'crude' are purely subjective terms; what you deem 'course' and 'crude' others may deem enjoyable and fun... And I think that those who oppose a gay lifestyle on the basis of their religion or whatever as just as entitled to their beliefs as you are to yours. Of course they are; what they are NOT entitled to is to impose their superstitions onto the rest of society. As was mentioned in another post, if you think homosexuality is a sin, don't do it; but don't think that you have the right to make your superstition into law effecting the rights of all homosexuals. June Check out Alternative Kite radio: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
From: Amelia Well, June, I was asking Nate for I do not discuss anythingwith you if I can help it but since you have butted in, thatjust is not nearly good enough. The idea of includingstraight kids in an organization knowing full well that theyare not likely to participate How do you know for a fact that straight kids 'are not likely to participate'? Even if that were true, it doesn't change the FACT that the gay and lesbian student clubs do not discriminate against anyone due to sexual orientation. It doesn't change the FACT that the BSA as part of its bylaws makes it a point to practice discrimination against a particular group. It doesn't matter who or what the leaders of either group are, nor the sexual orientation of the members of either group; what matters is what each group, as its stated policy, does in the way of allowing people to join. The fact that the BSA chooses to discriminate against a particular group, and will dismiss a gay scout as quickly as they dismiss gay scout leaders, is the reason why it is finding taxpayer-funded venues closed to it. As a PRIVATE organization, the BSA has the right to include or not include whomever they wish; they just can't expect to have PUBLIC facilites extended to them if they don't also allow ALL of the public to join. So it is just as I thought~~the tyranny of the vocal minoritywanting to spoil things for everybody else. The tyranny is all on your side. My 'side', if there is one, is one that is inclusive of all groups. You like the BSA as it now stands? Fine, then have them host meetings in your house or your church or your private clubhouse. Don't expect me and every other taxpayer, though, to foot the bill to allow a discriminatory organization to use facilities built and maintained with my tax dollars. June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stations/242153 _Bravenet IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
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I do NOT believe for one minute that if a heterosexual, fundamentalist minister, say Pentecostal or Baptist, wanted to be in charge of the gay students that he would not be discriminated against. I do not think this inclusion policy would apply at all. And it is easy to be inclusive in something that is sooffensive to most that they would not even consider attending for it violates their religious beliefs and personal moral and ethical standards, not to mention is the fastest method of spreading AIDS. It is downright dangerous as well as offensive to the religious beliefs of most. "Since there is no such entity as 'the public,' since thepublic is merely a number of individuals, the idea that 'thepublic interest' supersedes private interests and rights canhave but one meaning: that the interests and rights of someindividuals take precedence over the interests and rights ofothers." Ayn Rand But you have gotten your way and the Boy Scouts are NOT using public facilities. Most locally are in churches and homes any way.Always have been so it makes little difference to the Scouts.My sons are too old but I had them in my house probably forten yearswhen they were the appropriate ages and enjoyed it. It is the preferential treatment DEMANDED by the tyrannical gay activists that I find annoying as well as the use of tax payer's money being used to fund something proven so unhealthy. You are very hypocritical in the application of that local autonomy that you preach ONLY when it is to the advantage of some agenda of your own.I guess we can just consider it like welfare and helping the very unfortunate and it is well worth it to keep the Scouts as they have traditionally beenfor all these years.Just remember that what goes around, comes around for this is the very thing that is destroying support for the public schools. When they are all private, they will be free to open their facilities to whomever they chose. In the meanwhile, the churches and homes are providing just fine for the Scouts and their membership enjoying record numbers BECAUSE of this overt attempt of the gay males to gain access to unsupervised children for whatever their purposes might be. I find it interesting that heterosexual males do not attempt to be GIRL Scout leaders and whine and demand to be allowed to do so. My consolation is in the fact that gays will NEVER be allowed to act as Scoutmasters, particularly after their behavior has been observed in regard to their intolerance for the religious and moral values of others. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher From: Amelia Well, June, I was asking Nate for I do not discuss anythingwith you if I can help it but since you have butted in, thatjust is not nearly good enough. The idea of includingstraight kids in an organization knowing full well that theyare not likely to participate How do you know for a fact that straight kids 'are not likely to participate'? Even if that were true, it doesn't change the FACT that the gay and lesbian student clubs do not discriminate against anyone due to sexual orientation. It doesn't change the FACT that the BSA as part of its bylaws makes it a point to practice discrimination against a particular group. It doesn't matter who or what the leaders of either group are, nor the sexual orientation of the members of either group; what matters is what each group, as its stated policy, does in the way of allowing people to join. The fact that the BSA chooses to discriminate against a particular group, and will dismiss a gay scout as quickly as they dismiss gay scout leaders, is the reason why it is finding taxpayer-funded venues closed to it. As a PRIVATE organization, the BSA has the right to include or not include whomever they wish; they just can't expect to have PUBLIC facilites extended to them if they don't also allow ALL of the public to join. So it is just as I thought~~the tyranny of the vocal minoritywanting to spoil things for everybody else. The tyranny is all on your side. My 'side', if there is one, is one that is inclusive of all groups. You like the BSA as it now stands? Fine, then have them host meetings in your house or your church or your private clubhouse. Don't expect me and every other taxpayer, though, to foot the bill to allow a discriminatory organization to use facilities built and maintained with my tax dollars. June Check out Alternative Kite radio at: http://www.live365.com/stati
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove who finds an inverse relationship between talk and action __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people who disagree with my viewpoint are 100 percent evil. Kidding aside, without knowing Nate's age, hormone levels and other background information I would hesitate to make such a blanket statement. In younger days most of the people I knew were letting sexuality run their lives. Its importance decreases directly with hormone levels and inversely with maturity level. The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- wonder why Nate took name of Asmodius, a Hebrew God and Lord of Flies - lusty devil. Asmodeus, in Hebrew demonology, the chief of the demons, occasionally identified with the prince of demons, Beelzebub. He figures largely in later Hebrew tradition, appearing in the Book of Tobit in the Old Testament apocrypha as an evil spirit possessed of great lust. He is represented as having loved Sarah, daughter of Raguel, and as having slain seven men who were successively married to Sarah. Tobias, who intended to marry Sarah, succeeded with the help of the angel Raphael in exorcising the demon. Raphael pursued Asmodeus to Upper Egypt and bound him, enabling Tobias and Sarah to live in peace. In talmudic legends, Asmodeus is associated with Solomon, whom he aided, notably in building the temple. He is also regarded as the cause of the excesses ascribed to Solomon. HOW TO CITE THIS ARTICLE Asmodeus, Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Deluxe Sign-In Highlight section Order 5 products in one! Get the latest edition of Encarta Reference Suite now. Order the CD Order the DVD Shop folders,hanging,letter,legal $12.99 Staples more like this... Also On Let Microsoft help your career Tall tales that teach Ever thought about grad school? Also On MSN Great gifts for dads and grads Free movies for a year Kids only! Please rate Encarta's answers to your question. Not RelevantVery Relevant12345 Main reason for your rating: Encarta Home | Reference | Homework | College | Grad | Training | Parents | Experts | Shop | Help Site Map | About Encarta | Encarta Enquire Other Links: Free Games White Pages Greeting Cards Buy Books MSN Explorer More... Special Features: eShop: great stores, great deals Are your friends online? The Web's best personal finance site Sign up for a FREE Hotmail account Send Money Online More... ©2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Well Nate, or Amadius as you call yourself.I never shove until someone pushes. I am fed up with innocent children being tortured, murdered, as was done at WACO by those who belonged to a save the children order, and I am sick of watching the boy scouts being intimidated and threatened by those who fly the flag of Gay Pride.. Feeding our children garbage?Garbage is for slopping the pigs.. Nice name you chose to use for yourself Asmadius..fits the occasion and the person well. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I covered my behind -- I didn't specify what KIND of help. Could be anything from a cold shower to hospitalization to getting married :-D Tenorlove --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I use this list to view material that I believe might be a conspiracy I do believe strongly against gay people being bashed on this list. I am not pushing any Gay side of anything. I am merely stating FACTS to an overwhelming bashing Aleisha (not Amelia, sorry again). If I found that Aleisha or anyone else would post stereotypical lies and mistruths on this list that was set up to discover the truth, I would post just as fervently. You will notice Tenorlove that I don't fight the merits of what she posts, or what is right or wrong in the post itself, just how she presents the information. It is definitely not posted in an objective matter. I believe the following statement appears at the end of every post Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! I just want her to follow the rules. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tenorlove Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove who finds an inverse relationship between talk and action __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Regardless of my personal life, which is none of anyones business. I am a professional businessman. I believe in the truth above all else. This is what has guided me in my life and why I post against Aleisha's tirades, because what people perceive is unfortunate enough to cast the first impression. Look deeper into one's soul is what I say. I agree with 95% of what is posted on this list and therefore do not feel the need to post! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Stonehouse Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people who disagree with my viewpoint are 100 percent evil. Kidding aside, without knowing Nate's age, hormone levels and other background information I would hesitate to make such a blanket statement. In younger days most of the people I knew were letting sexuality run their lives. Its importance decreases directly with hormone levels and inversely with maturity level. The only time I ever see Nate post to this list is when he's pushing the pro-gay side of whatever the issue is. Anyone who lets his or her sexuality run his or her life, is the one who needs help. Tenorlove A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- So now it comes to personal attacks Aleisha based upon no truths. How quaint. You will notice I won't sink to your level. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aleisha Saba Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- wonder why Nate took name of Asmodius, a Hebrew God and Lord of Flies - lusty devil. Asmodeus, in Hebrew demonology, the chief of the demons, occasionally identified with the prince of demons, Beelzebub. He figures largely in later Hebrew tradition, appearing in the Book of Tobit in the Old Testament apocrypha as an evil spirit possessed of great lust. He is represented as having loved Sarah, daughter of Raguel, and as having slain seven men who were successively married to Sarah. Tobias, who intended to marry Sarah, succeeded with the help of the angel Raphael in exorcising the demon. Raphael pursued Asmodeus to Upper Egypt and bound him, enabling Tobias and Sarah to live in peace. In talmudic legends, Asmodeus is associated with Solomon, whom he aided, notably in building the temple. He is also regarded as the cause of the excesses ascribed to Solomon. HOW TO CITE THIS ARTICLE Asmodeus, Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2001 http://encarta.msn.com © 1997-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Deluxe Sign-In Highlight section Order 5 products in one! Get the latest edition of Encarta Reference Suite now. Order the CD Order the DVD Shop folders,hanging,letter,legal $12.99 Staples more like this... Also On Let Microsoft help your career Tall tales that teach Ever thought about grad school? Also On MSN Great gifts for dads and grads Free movies for a year Kids only! Please rate Encarta's answers to your question. Not RelevantVery Relevant12345 Main reason for your rating: Encarta Home | Reference | Homework | College | Grad | Training | Parents | Experts | Shop | Help Site Map | About Encarta | Encarta Enquire Other Links: Free Games White Pages Greeting Cards Buy Books MSN Explorer More... Special Features: eShop: great stores, great deals Are your friends online? The Web's best personal finance site Sign up for a FREE Hotmail account Send Money Online More... ©2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Use Advertise TRUSTe Approved Privacy Statement A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher
-Caveat Lector- Well, Nate, I accept your apology but think you remember me from previous posts supporting the Boy Scouts. I think the original posts this time which you find so offensive are more about parent's right to chose what and by whom their children are taught in government schools. . I believe that is the concern of most of us here and few, if any, give a rip about your lifestyle. You stated that a Fox News Report was some right-wing religious writing and that was not true. It is our own children over whom we feel we have rights. Check the stats on home schooling of late. We are also withdrawing support for public education thanks to folks who think they will dictate to what our children are exposed. I know this is politically incorrect these days when the State 'owns' the children and will teach what/when/where they chose but some of us have a hard time with that concept. But I DO have a question for you since you are a most tolerant fellow by your own claims. Why are there over 800 schools in this country that provide facilities for the gay student clubs (Gay Pride or whatever each is called) based on their homosexual orientation yet deny the Boy Scouts the use of those same facilities based on their heterosexual orientation? I always ask this question and then those so very vocal suddenly go silent and move on to other topics but I would really like to know for I do not understand how this is fair. These are tax-funded public facilities and I do not think one group should be allowed to use them and not the other. If the Boy Scouts are banned, then the gay students should not be slowed to use the facilities, either. Now Nessie claims the teaching of human sexuality is biology but it has far more ramifications that that, at least for most humans. It has psychological effects and some of this coarse, crude stuff being promoted can be scarring to sensitive children, I dare say among which Nessie was not counted as a child nor adult either, for that matter. It is also the only activity that results on the reproduction of other humans and therefore carries far greater importance than the life cycle of a dung beetle, for example. I realize that if a person does not realize this, I am wasting my effort in even bothering to explain it but I do want to make it clear that those of us who oppose total strangers taking these liberties with our children by such things as sharing their personal sexual experiences are not fooling us for one minute with their doublespeak. We are not nearly as stupid as you seem to think we are and we are not fooled for one second. Tolerance is only for little groups and minorities who profess to be constant 'victims' yet seek by their actions to deprive others of the same tolerance which they so loudly DEMAND. I think this is going to have the opposite effect than that desired and the patience and good will of the majority is being badly abused in this regard. This is a very foolish course of action on the part of extremists of every stripe. And I think that those who oppose a gay lifestyle on the basis of their religion or whatever as just as entitled to their beliefs as you are to yours. I further think that many, if not most, of the members of self-professed minorities are so desperately seeking some form of discrimination that they usually just fabricate it to validate their victim status and reassure themselves that they are indeed 'special' and deserving of some sort of preferential treatment. This form of behavior is aka 'spitting into the wind' to put it politely for one can never FORCE others to think and feel a certain way. This determination by a few to enforce their will over the children of the majority may well shut down the public educational system in this country for I know I, for one, will oppose every cent spent upon it as long as it is controlled by special interest groups pushing an agenda contrary to what I think is in the best interest of my own children and grandchildren. ~Amelia~ - Original Message - From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- Regardless of my personal life, which is none of anyones business. I am a professional businessman. I believe in the truth above all else. This is what has guided me in my life and why I post against Aleisha's tirades, because what people perceive is unfortunate enough to cast the first impression. Look deeper into one's soul is what I say. I agree with 95% of what is posted on this list and therefore do not feel the need to post! -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dale Stonehouse Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Reply to an Amelia Basher -Caveat Lector- This is 100 percent right. Personally I am 100 percent certain that 100 percent of people
