Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-05-01 Thread David Sutherland

Well J2 ... you ALMOST started to, for once, make sense on this topic -
until those last absurdities about Christians being PURE "communists".

Those inanities you prattled simply show that you have no true
understanding, or definition of either terms.

Using your "logic" one could extrapolate from "St" Paul's words, when he
states that if a man does not work he ought not eat; "For even when we were
with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should
he eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10)  - to conclude that Christians, were
down-in-the-gutter, lets get dirt greedy, a dog-eat-dog breed, of the most
extreme element of pernicious, and parasitic type of Economic Rationalist
Capitalist pigs on earth.

Now this, in some cases may be true of organised rapacious religion, which
struts upon its own connived stage-show, camouflaged in a Christ-like
facade. But behind the mask - is not the spirit nor doctrine of Christ.

True Christians, were neither adherents of, Religionism, Communism, nor
Capitalism.

They taught personal and direct experience with God without the "temple"
religion baggage, personal responsibility in civil life but not the worship
of Caesar, moral responsibility for the plight of their fellow man - and in
trade; that whilst one is required  earn ones way, never to forget that all
one does bears consequences on the many; but also, whilst the "many" were
needful, there was "One" above the State - who was their ultimate arbiter of
truth, law, justice and love - the final Judge of all men and women.

Christians transcended sundry and all "isms", and simply remained - simply
Christian.


- Original Message -
From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO


 Nicky Molloy wrote:
 
  http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
  Many links
  Secret Societies and the NWO
 
  The New World Order
  Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in fact a reality? Yes it
is.
  If you do not believe this I encourage you to study the United Nations
  documents and also the treaties which, once ratified by individual
nations,
  become INTERNATIONAL LAW. The United Nations created the Commission for
  Global Governance, if you don't believe this, visit the United Nations
  website and look it up.
 
  The Commission for Global Governance released a report: Our Global
  Neighbourhood, that predicates a world court, a global tax, and global
  police force. And the U.S. State Department Publication 7277 outlines a
one
  world police force under the United Nations. So many prominent world
leaders
  are calling for a one world government the intention is obvious. Yet
most
  people are so occupied by life's responsibilities, careers, sports and
  television, they have little time to study what's going on in the
corridors
  of power.
 
  The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena
under
  the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the
Trilateral
  Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of
  International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose
members
  include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential
  people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for
example
  is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of
  these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of
  these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.
 
  A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the
International
  Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The
  coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal
  debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and
issued to
  individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about
  control!
 
  The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World
Council of
  Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to
introduce
  a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy.
Pay
  careful attention when you study the documents and reports published by
the
  United Nations and related organizations. This philosophy is now being
  taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs
such
  as Goals 2000.
 
  The New World Order will be SOCIALISM. Read the United Nations
declarations
  and treaties for proof of this fact. The individual will be subservient
to
  the state. Rights and power reside in and derive from the state, not the
  individual.

 I usually don't read your postings because you have no critical faculties
 whatsoever. But I just have to respond to this foolishness.

 The NWO is driven by Capitalists. It is Capitalism which is being
established
 worl

Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-05-01 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Thank you for this post!


You have reminded me to stop working once in awhile and enjoy the fruits of
my labor.  That's hard won labor even though it is Monday through Friday,
9-5 with good clean working conditions and COLA's.

So, maybe I'll go shopping today.  Maybe bake a cake.  Plant some flowers.
Read a book.

Or, perhaps I will go through my goods and donate them to those who are
unable because of [politics] to have enough food, shelter and clothing.

Question:  are you personally for or against labor unions (in a
capitalistic environment in the 2lst century)?
 +

I'm not sure who you are talking to in your post, but I'll answer your
question about unions.

I am very much against the unions that exist in this country. They are
allowed to exist for the same reason that the FDA is allowed to exist.
They protect the corporations from their workers, just as the FDA protects
drug companies from the public.

All unions today are corporate capitalists. The anti capitalist unions
were wiped out by corporate goons and the Feds prior to WWII.

I believe that the only solution left for ordinary people is to take
ownership of money making enterprises. Government owned means of production
has led to concentration of wealth for the party elites and crap for their
citizens. Private ownership of the means of production isn't much better.

Worker ownership of the means of production has not yet been tried on a
large scale. It has been successful on a small scale.

This is the only way to get rid of all the parasites who live off of my labor.
Stock owners, Commissars, union bosses, management, etc.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread ATB XX

 To not "be a communist" you sure sing a good
Socialist song. Trashing the words of a Patriot, is by
all sides your right, mostly because you obviously
live in a country where you have rights.
 Unlike the Slave owner World "village" you promote, I
see what I EARN (this by the "sweat of my brow"), as
my property; Not a commodity to be shared, by those
either "dummied down" to expect their share of my
gains, nor the LAZY who believe the actual working
populace owes them a lifestyle equal to those who
strive for the creature comforts afforded the folks
staunch enough to actually make an effort to "earn a
living".
 May your chains fit you correctly, when you are
fitted with the jewelry, designed for the placient
sheeple you would have us believe, are the rightful
heirs of this One World Government.
 Do you actually believe, the folks who worked and
fought for this Nation , where you can dispurage their
memory and slander their beliefs without reproach,
deserve the nasty perversions you bleat?
 Bravo! Bravo, to Nicky Malloy for voicing what
deserves to be known, and taking the time and
expending the effort to awaken people to the looming
disaster which is the NWO.




--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nicky Molloy wrote:
 
  http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm
  Many links
  Secret Societies and the NWO
 
  The New World Order
  Is this scheme to establish a New World Order in
 fact a reality? Yes it is.
  If you do not believe this I encourage you to

 REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A JOKE! IT
 WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE!
 The author is appalled at the stupidity of the Right
 who still refer to it
 after he came out and said that he wrote it as
 satire.

 snip
  Already in the United States those who support the
 Constitution,
  Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed as
 crazy paranoids and
  dangerous extremists. In Australia, it's the
 supporters of Pauline Hanson's
  One Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First
 Parties who are ridiculed
  and persecuted. These are merely people who are
 aware of what is going on.
  If you are one of those who believe that these
 patriots who are against
  globalism are crazy and deluded, I ask, have you
 ever spoken to one? Have

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Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and the NWO

2000-04-30 Thread Foxter



Thank you for 
this post!


You have reminded me to stop 
working once in awhile and enjoy the fruits of my labor. That's 
hard won labor even though it isMonday through Friday, 9-5 with good clean working 
conditions and COLA's.

So, maybe I'll go shopping 
today. Maybe bake a cake. Plant some flowers. Read a 
book.

Or, perhaps I will go through my 
goods and donate them to those who are unable because of [politics] to have 
enough food, shelter and clothing.

Question: are you personally 
for or against labor unions (in a capitalistic environment in the 2lst 
century)?



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ATB XX 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 10:34 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Secret Societies and 
  the NWO
  To not "be a communist" you sure sing a goodSocialist song. 
  Trashing the words of a Patriot, is byall sides your right, mostly because 
  you obviouslylive in a country where you have rights.Unlike the 
  Slave owner World "village" you promote, Isee what I EARN (this by the 
  "sweat of my brow"), asmy property; Not a commodity to be shared, by 
  thoseeither "dummied down" to expect their share of mygains, nor the 
  LAZY who believe the actual workingpopulace owes them a lifestyle equal to 
  those whostrive for the creature comforts afforded the folksstaunch 
  enough to actually make an effort to "earn aliving".May your 
  chains fit you correctly, when you arefitted with the jewelry, designed 
  for the placientsheeple you would have us believe, are the 
  rightfulheirs of this One World Government.Do you actually 
  believe, the folks who worked andfought for this Nation , where you can 
  dispurage theirmemory and slander their beliefs without 
  reproach,deserve the nasty perversions you bleat?Bravo! Bravo, 
  to Nicky Malloy for voicing whatdeserves to be known, and taking the time 
  andexpending the effort to awaken people to the loomingdisaster which 
  is the NWO.--- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Nicky Molloy wrote:   http://members.xoom.com/biblebelieve/masonry.htm 
   Many links  Secret Societies and the NWO  
   The New World Order  Is this scheme to establish a New World 
  Order in fact a reality? Yes it is.  If you do not believe 
  this I encourage you to REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN IS FAKE! IT'S A 
  JOKE! IT WAS WRITTEN AS SATIRE! The author is appalled at the 
  stupidity of the Right who still refer to it after he came out 
  and said that he wrote it as satire. snip 
   Already in the United States those who support the 
  Constitution,  Patriots and the Militia groups are ridiculed 
  as crazy paranoids and  dangerous extremists. In 
  Australia, it's the supporters of Pauline Hanson's  One 
  Nation and Graham Campbell's Australia First Parties who are 
  ridiculed  and persecuted. These are merely people who are 
  aware of what is going on.  If you are one of those who believe 
  that these patriots who are against  globalism are crazy 
  and deluded, I ask, have you ever spoken to one? Have=== 
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