Re: [CTRL] THE FINDERS
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Howdy Fred, You may try a search of the ctrl archives. There are some materials there. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html Om K In a message dated 2/12/00 8:52:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings: I am currently trying to obtain information on an Organization called the FINDERS. This Organization was picked up in Tallahasse, Florida with six abused children. The Finders were found to be a CIA Front that had supposedly gone bad and all charges were dropped immediately. I would appreciate any information that anyone may have on this organization and its purpose and if it is still operating with in the United States. I would also appreciate any other information that could be forwarded on such cases and any type of mind control, experimentation or government approved abuse of children. Thank you, Fred A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE FINDERS : Mind Control and Children
-Caveat Lector- A recent issue of Steamshovel Press had an article on The Finders. The background information on founder Pettie was especially interesting, as it detailed his involvement in a number of activities over the years. One of these was the alleged "setting up" of Ken Kesey as a countercultural "guru." Mack White DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Finders and Patch Adams
-Caveat Lector- 1. There is a new issie of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An excellant interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine articles on all our favorutes. Go out and find. Thanks for the recommend! Here's some info on the Finders that does not appear in the issue. (CTRL reaers unfamiliar with the Finders should know that the group has been accused of being the pedophilic procurers for the intelligence community in DC. The groupd denies the charge but does cop to the story that they had children in attendance at a did a ritual goat sacrifice.): Marion Pettie is not alone in his defense of the Finder's philosophy on self-governing child rearing. No less unusual source than Patch Adams, the maverick psychologist who became the subject of a 1998 Robin Williams movie directed by Tom Shadyac, talked at length about it. Adams has been a friend of the Finders for 25 years, working almost as the group's personal physician. An unconventional and controversial figure in the medical world himself, Adams affirmed that he has found no instance of child abuse among the Finders. He dismissed the notion that the group included pedophiles and characterized it instead as one of "over-educated" eccentrics presenting an alternative to social norms. Adams told a reporter at the Rappahannock News that "I'm embarrassed for the news media . They really made a mistake here. I can see a giant legal case coming out of this." Of the pedophilia charges, Adams said, "That's a bunch of crap!" , noting that boy and girl scout camps contain the same rings of stone Washington police found in the backyard of the Finders' Washington residence. "What other evidence have they uncovered? Ritual blood-letting?" Of the goat slaughter, he added, "On the farm it's called harvest. It's animal husbandry, a practice thirteen thousand years old. Farmers traditionally include their children, particularly their male children in the annual fall butchering of livestock. I've met city people who think milk comes from a carton. Urbanites are often ignorant of the realities of food production." Adams described the Tallahssee bust this way: "When you have two adults taking six small children on a camping trip, they are going to get dirty. If they're not dirty, then the adults in charge either unbelievably organized or they haven't been camping. As for bug bites, if you're camping, particularly in the south, you're going to get bug bites. I just can't imagine the Finders tolerating sexual abuse. If it should turn out that a child has been abused, it's a private problem with a member of the organization with the organization unaware of that problem." The iconoclastic Patch Adams gave this view of the Finders' philosophy: "Marion Pettie [is a] very intelligent, extremely well-read, a perceptive thinker who gathered around him over-educated people who find current society, as I do, not very interesting. They dropped out of whatever it was they were doing to play games under Pettie's direction. The anthropological, psychological, sociological game of life with each other. Never to my knowledge have they done drugs of any kind. They like playing games, more in their heads than in their hearts. This is not Scientology. I know lots of Finders who have left. We get together. We laugh and joke about it. They're probably laughing about all this right now. Marion Pettie is not an angel. He's not a devil. He's a regular person, unless a regular person is someone who is bored with his job, his life and is dissatisfied with his life. If that's the definition, then I guess he's not a regular person." Adams concluded that "Their way of child-rearing isn't mine. Yes, they're strange. Yes, they're maybe misguided, but there are a lot of other kinds of neglect out there. If their children have been neglected, it wasn't meant to be neglect. They mean to give their children enriching experiences. This could be a lesson of survival. If you wanted to show our society it is messed up, this certainly will do it. " DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] The Finders and Patch Adams
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/22/98 11:51:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. There is a new issie of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An excellant interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine articles on all our favorutes. Go out and find. Thanks for the recommend! Here's some info on the Finders that does not appear in the issue. (CTRL reaers unfamiliar with the Finders should know that the group has been accused of being the pedophilic procurers for the intelligence community in DC. The groupd denies the charge but does cop to the story that they had children in attendance at a did a ritual goat sacrifice.): Thanks for the extra infoviews of Mr. Adams, personally, in reading Mr. Petite's interview, I believe he left enough room to have his group being used without 'his knowledge' for matters beyong 'his ken'. Also , I do believe it would be very interesting to do some research on all those intel types and others who hung around the finders. I am sure of very strict intell procedures, especially that close to DC, would bring the Op under a very strict need-to-know, and Mr. Petite may have wanted denability also. Just innocent rural animal slaughter(sounds quite lame, to me and I don't mean gold) or a layer of onion? Hmm . . Something to think about. Like my daddy said, " Read it all and you will see that you learn much from mis/dis. :-) The Best to All this Season. Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
