Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Hummm - a rabbi biker! I like it! There oughta be a movie in there somewhere! Kelly Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nurev Ind Research Sent: Mon 1/29/2001 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject:Re: [CTRL] Disclaimers and Men who think they have a right to"hurt" Women -Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Violence against anyone is bad. If he stalks you or breaks into your house - shot'em in the balls. Make up your mind. Self Defense is THE basic human right. Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good. Self defense against those who commit violence IS violence. Ergo, if the statement "Self defense against those who commit violence is a social good" is true, then the statement "Violence against anyone is bad" is false because "those who commit violence" is a subset of "anyone." Logic 101 Jesus H Christ Nessie! You sound like you're ready for Talmudic Academy. J2 A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Sorry, I hit the wrong button. I should have hit the Paste button first. It was supposed to say: But I think I sound much more like a Jesuit. At least that's what people tell me. A rabbi can wear you down with his logic as well as Jesuit, but when a Jesuit sees that it is going to take a long time, he cuts to the chase. To a rabbi, the logic itself is a thing of beauty, a gift from G-d, and worth the time it takes just for that reason alone. A Jesuit, on the other hand, wants to convince you of the error of your ways and move on to the next guy. They keep score differently. The rabbi counts how many points he scored in the debate. The Jesuit counts how many people he convinced. It's a whole different system. People mistake one for the other because both are so methodical. But their goals differ, and goals define behavior far more than does style. I had an English prof once who was an ex Jesuit. He taught me a lot about language. It's no more about structure and meaning than a house is about bricks and mortar. If you can understand that, he said, and youre willing to study and practice, you might just learn how to talk. The other thing to know is that it's not plagiarism if you steal from more than three places. Everyone steals. They have to. Almost everything has already been thought of and said. A new idea comes along once or twice in a century. Most are never passed on. So make use of what you can learn from others, he said, from me especially, because I'm really good at it; I learned how from the best. Besides, he pointed out the first day, we'd already paid him and money doesn't grow on trees. My old prof had very good reasons for quitting the order (besides wanting a family), upon which he expounded quite frequently. There are some serious flaws in Jesuit logic, he taught us, but there is no point whatsoever in trying to explain it to them in any language but their own. This, as he impressed upon us frequently, is far, far easier said than done. On the other hand, it's worth knowing how to do because once you've climbed a couple of mountains, even the steepest hill fails to intimidate you. If you can't think, you can't talk. If you can't talk, you can't be understood, even by yourself. I can talk a blue streak. I understand myself perfectly. What I don't understand is why some people fail to also understand me. I'm clear. I'm logical. I tell only the truth. Yet some people hear me say one thing and other people hear me say something different. What's the problem? Are they stupid, or am I doing something wrong? I dont want to sound like a rabbi or a Jesuit. Im trying to be as plain spoken as possible, so as to reach the broadest audience. Maybe I need to dumb it down more. What do yall think? I'm open to suggestions. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THIS fan thinks I oughta be a rabbi
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: But I think I sound much more like a Jesuit. Indeed, you do. Some people talk about being 'trained' by Jesuits rather than being 'educated' by them - I don't mean that in a negative way, but as you point out it is a very logical way of thinking. snip If you can't think, you can't talk. If you can't talk, you can't be understood, even by yourself. I can talk a blue streak. I understand myself perfectly. What I don't understand is why some people fail to also understand me. I'm clear. I'm logical. I tell only the truth. Yet some people hear me say one thing and other people hear me say something different. What's the problem? Are they stupid, or am I doing something wrong? No, I don't think you are doing anything wrong. I believe you have one more step to go - and that is to become an artist. To me, an artist is someone who excels in any field - they learn the 'trade' and the rules of the game, and then take them to new heights and create art. I believe a wood cabinet maker, an athlete, a chef, a mathematican - anyone can take their profession or love into the realm of art. You, nessie, like to work with words and ideas - that doesn't necessarily make you a writer let alone an artist but you certainly seem to be on that path. I dont want to sound like a rabbi or a Jesuit. Im trying to be as plain spoken as possible, so as to reach the broadest audience. Maybe I need to dumb it down more. What do yall think? I'm open to suggestions. I think you would be incapable of dumbing down what you write about, and I do think you have found your own voice. Sometimes it is grating, sometimes condescending, sometimes irritating - but when I have the time, I read what you have to say and think about your point of view. That might not be saying much to you, but there aren't a lot of people on the internet whom impress me with their communications abilities. Your personlity comes through loud and clear - and so do your ideas. So, keep it up! I think I see a budding artist. Kelly A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
