CS: Pol-Cop killer bullets
From: "Alex Hamilton", [EMAIL PROTECTED] An interesting, if long, article on the anti-gun lobby in USA, which proves that written constitution "cast in stone" is not a good defence against those bent on changing it. Reference to the Cop-Killer bullets might be of interest to the technically informed, too. I am pleased to note that the Americans are not falling in the same trap as we did after Dunblane and that they are making good use of our "experience". But it seems that the antis will never listen to reason, because admitting that they are irrational or wrong would deprive them of the purpose to live and leave them wandering aimlessly in this peaceful world. So, the only way to deal with them is to treat them as a danger to logical thought, danger to freedom and democracy and, most certainly, the danger to public safety. In anyone's Constitution, written or implied, this amounts to treason and those that follow this infestation should be treated as the enemies of the state (read "people")! If the Nazis re-appeared in large numbers they would be banned and persecuted in any civilised society! So, in what way are those opposed to sport any different? The fact that they are antis is a misdemeanour in itself and my suggestion is that we should not grant them free expression but point them out as thick, stupid, irresponsible and expose them to ridicule. They are guilty of misleading our hard working, public spirited and very honest government, so why don't we form an Anti antis lobby and register it as a charitable movement devoted to Education? Alex - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Please keep your replies trimmed as much as possible. Community email addresses: Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shortcut URL to this page: http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/ColoradoRKBA National Review Online Guest Comment 7/31/00 12:05 p.m. Cheney's Cop-Killer Rap: If you [Kopel means "you gun-banners"] can't handle the truth, be very afraid of W.'s running mate. By Dave Kopel of the Independence Institute Why was Dick Cheney one of 21 representatives to vote against a ban on so- called "cop-killer bullets"? Al Gore's surrogates would have you believe that Cheney supports the murder of police officers. In truth, the Cheney vote was a vote for truth over lies, and principle over expediency. There never has been such a thing as a "cop-killer bullet." That the issue ever arose in Congress shows that modern Washington is just as susceptible to believing impossible things as was the English Parliament that made it a felony to use "Witchcraft, Inchantment, Charm or Sorcery, to tell where Treasure is to be found, or where Things lost or Stolen may be found." The story of the nonexistent "cop-killer bullet" actually begins in 1976 in Massachusetts, when a handgun-confiscation initiative was defeated in a landslide. Then in 1982 in California, a handgun "freeze" initiative also lost overwhelmingly. The gun-prohibition lobbies began to realize that they would have to work more incrementally, rather than pushing for prohibition outright. (Hence the current Gore proposal to require everyone to get a federal license to buy a handgun. Once the licensing system is in place, it can gradually be made ever-more difficult, by administrative fiat, for anyone to actually get a license.) The prohibition lobbies also realized that the police were one of their worst problems. While a few police chiefs or sheriffs could always be found to support prohibition, the vast majority of police - both commanders and line officers - were "pro-gun," and extremely skeptical of gun control. Something had to be done to turn the police (or at least their Washington lobbyists) against the National Rifle Association. The something, ironically, was an obscure type of ammunition invented by police officers two decades before. These bullets were known as KTW bullets, after the initials of the three persons involved in law enforcement who invented them for use in SWAT teams. While ordinary bullets have a lead core, the KTW bullets used denser metals, and therefore had greater penetration ability. The bullets had not been available for sale to the general public since the 1960s. Despite the fact that the KTW bullets were not on sale in any gun store in the United States, NBC television discovered them in 1982 and announced that they were a tremendous threat to police lives. The "cop-killer bullet" scare was born. With the kind of self-righteous ignorance that characterizes most of the old edia's handling of the gun issue, the bullets
CS: Target-.308/7.62
From: David Chappell - UK, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The reference to Chinese 7,62 NATO is interesting, as I remember a series of articles in Guns Review about ammunition and the author had encountered some 80's vintage Chinese made 7,62 (made for export :-) but marked not only with STANAG marks, but also with RG headstamps! David. -- This was intended for the NPA rebels in the Phillippines, at least that's the theory. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Cullen Inquiry Transcripts
From: Norman Bassett, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Scottish Court Service tell me today that full transcripts of the Cullen Inquiry cross-examinations are open to public inspection at: The National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh The Scottish Record Office in Edinburgh The Public Archives in Stirling. I'd not heard about the Scottish Record Office copy before. I understand that the 26 days of the Inquiry are contained in approximately that number of "volumes", presumably that means printed on one side of A4. I know the Scottish Pistol Shooting Association president has a copy of what relates to shooting, but not the whole lot. There is no copy in the British Library, nor to the best of my knowledge any copies outside Scotland. I'm trying to get the thing published by the Stationery Office and up on the web and will keep you informed on how I'm getting on. Would anybody who's seen any of these copies of the transcript let us know? Norman Bassett drakenfels.org Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-NRA-ILA FAX ALERT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NRA-ILA FAX ALERT Vol. 7, No. 31 DINGELL TO RENO -- WHY WON'T YOU PROSECUTE CRIMINALS? On Tuesday, U.S. Representative John Dingell (D-Mich.) sent a letter to Attorney General Janet Reno asking "why the Department of Justice is not doing more to prosecute" individuals who violate federal law prohibiting them from obtaining firearms. Dingell, who has been one of the strongest supporters of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms since he was first elected to Congress in 1954, was prompted to raise questions regarding the lack of these federal prosecutions by Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports on Federal Firearm Offenders and Background Check for Firearm Transfers, both of which were released in June. The BJS reports indicate that, while the National Instant Check System (NICS) continues to identify and deny convicted murderers, rapists, fugitives, and other violent criminals who attempt to purchase firearms from Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders -- a violation of federal law (18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6)) -- less than 1% of those rejected are being prosecuted at the federal level. The Federal Firearm Offenders report indicated that federal prosecutions are so low, in part, because under "DOJ/U.S. Attorney policy," attorneys are declining cases they feel have "minimal federal interest." Dingell asked Reno: "What exactly is the policy for prosecuting violations of 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(6)?"; "Why (would there) be a DOJ/U.S. Attorney policy not to prosecute those who violate federal firearms laws?"; and "Why (would there) be æminimal federal interest' in prosecuting those who violate federal firearm laws?" The Michigan Representative, who was awarded the Harlon B. Carter Legislative Achievement Award at this year's NRA Annual Meetings and Exhibits in Charlotte, N.C., also pointed out that another reason cited for not pursuing federal prosecutions was "weak evidence." But, as Dingell states in his letter, any attempt to purchase a firearm from an FFL holder requires the prospective purchaser to fill out an ATF Form 4473, and that form not only asks for information to identify the prospective purchaser, but also asks if he is prohibited from purchasing a firearm. If he is, then he has violated federal law by trying to purchase a firearm, and all the evidence one should need to prosecute has been supplied on the Form 4473. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McBride of the Richmond, Va., office even once remarked that such cases are as easy to prosecute as "picking change up off the street." We applaud Representative Dingell for continuing to take the Clinton-Gore-Reno DOJ to task over its failure to prosecute violent criminals who violate federal gun laws. If you would like a copy of Dingell's letter, please call the NRA-ILA Grassroots Division (800) 392-8683, or you will find a link to it on our website at NRAILA.org. JAMA ARTICLE QUESTIONS EFFECTIVENESS OF BRADY ACT An article recently published in the anti-gun Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) indicates that the Brady Act has had no significant impact on violent crime. The research itself, however, is hardly ground breaking, merely confirming what NRA and other researchers have said for years. The article's authors, Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook, are notoriously anti-gun, and their work was funded by the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. Prior research on the Brady Act has been far more thorough, looking at areas Ludwig and Cook failed to explore, such as the law's effect on robbery, rape, and aggravated assault. Ludwig and Cook studied only homicide and suicide -- and their study of homicide included incidents where law-abiding citizens defended themselves against violent criminal attack. Yale University School of Law Senior Research Scholar John R. Lott, Jr., in contrast, studied the Brady Act's impact on all violent crime, and found that its waiting period had no significant impact on murder and non-negligent manslaughter (rather than homicide) and robbery rates, and was associated with a small increase in rape and aggravated assault rates. Furthermore, Ludwig and Cook didn't account for variables such as the death penalty, arrest rates, conviction rates, prison-sentence lengths, other gun control laws, or Right to Carry laws -- variables normally associated with crime deterrence. Lott's research took these variables and many others into account. So why are anti-gun researchers so interested in promoting research that seems to support pro-gun views? The answer is simple -- they are attempting to promote federal regulations on the private transfer of firearms. The gun ban extremists at HCI have already started using the Ludwig/Cook study to promote firearms registration schemes and NICS checks on all private transfers of firearms, stating that "Ludwig and Cook assert that the effectiveness of the Brady Law is undermined by the unregulated secondary market." But, if the Brady Act approach were really crime-preventing, it
CS: Misc-Hampshire Police go .40
From: "niel fagan", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Had an interesting chat with an arv crew today (arv=traffic volvo, not tactical firearms support unit). It seems that sensibly that all armed vehicles in hampshire are now datatracked, so if they lose one it can't get lost for too longAlso the 9mm MP5's are to be replaced with some sort of compact glock-with-a-stock in .40 cal, I also wonder if the gsp's will be replaced with .40 glock pistols for ammo compatability? And yes fac renewal is running at around 5 months down here too! Niel. -- That's quite interesting as it is the first I have heard of UK police using .40 calibre. I assume they're talking about the HK UMP40 in semi-auto as the Glock carbine never came to fruition. I wonder what load they will use in .40, I can't think of any .40 SPs off the top of my head and I assume JHPs are still a no-no. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
