CS: Legal-Knives
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary a penknife is "A small folding knife, especially for carrying in the pocket." --snip-- And it would not be unreasonable for the man in the street to turn to dictionary for information to help him understand the meaning of things - would it? --snip-- Pete -- I don't make this crap up, I just report it. The Isle of Man actually has a statute differentiating lock knives and penknives. Steve. Steve, Pete, So, one wonders how long it will be before a knife must have a certain amount of some part of metal. I say that in the consideration that materials tech will surely produce a substance just as hard, and as tough as steel, yet have no metallic signature. Then what? I wonder just what it was the induced this particular set of statutes, such that a knife may not have a locking blade. Is not a blade a blade? Who the blazes cares whether it locks in place? What is the point in that? Hell, why not dictate that all blades must be pink? -- =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= Liberty: Live it . . . or lose it. =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET -- This coming from a guy who lives in a country that banned plastic guns and requires toy guns to have red plugs in the barrel. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Reference in the Latest Commentaries
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fancy my dear friend Ken Pantling worrying that people might think his motives ill for posting Cooper's Commentary! Certainly not, I can warrant. However the reference to "My Old Kentucky Home" in Jeff Cooper's "Commentaries" is a feeble attempt to make humour from transcribing "non-PC" and "PC" words of the 1853 Stephen Foster song adopted as the Kentucky State Song. The line "All the African-Americans are homosexual" is actually "All the darkies are gay" in the original. No wonder Cooper was dropped from "Guns and Ammo". It is hard to disagree that a lot of what he writes might be thought of as drivel -- Sometimes he can come out with interesting stuff but a lot of what he says is complete claptrap. Whining on about how bad he thinks .223 is, for example. Peter Kokalis wrote a rather good rebuttal to Jeff Cooper on that score. Anyway, Steyr have discontinued the .376 Steyr Scout and the .223 is a top seller apparently, so it would appear the buying public have voted with their wallets on that one, after Jeff spent several columns trying to convince people to buy the .376. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Mercy for boy who cut bullies
From: Neil Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] An "act of self defence" and then found guilty of having an offensive weapon - strange days indeed. Indeed - now although the court seemed to agree this was self defence why doesn't it also claim that the weapon was actually a defensive weapon in these circumstances? After 2 years of bullying would a strong case for this exist? Even if not when does a simple tool, such as a pocket knife, or even a pen for example, turn into an offensive weapon (rather than say a defensive weapon)? Neil Francis Trowbridge, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Virus and Other Pests
From: Neil Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "W. Grint.", INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My advice to all is to ignore him, [IG] he is only trying to wind you up. If you could group all IG files together to make mass deletion easier, Isn't this just a case of you don't like what you are hearing, or you are finding it difficult to justify your claims against someone else so you won't listen to them. Your claim may be valid if IG was a 'Bulletin Boarder' - I don't think he is. There are a couple of true 'boarders' who have recently appeared on the SA BBS. If you look on other forums like the Number 10 Speakers Corner board you will find many. The real professionals hang out in the more traditional usenet space. IG has valid points - what interests me the most is the almost 'Pavlonian' reaction to him since he declared he was a Police Officer. Whether this is true or not actually matters not. Shooters - anti police? Nay - well the archives would possibly read differently. Neil Francis Trowbridge, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-Police take up arms
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Experts and the police point out that gun crime is on the rise. Latest Home Office figures show 13,671 incidents recorded in 1998, a rise of 10 per cent on the previous year. A 10% rise, surely not, didn't we have 2 firearms acts in 1997 that aimed to eliminate the "gun culture" in the UK. -- Although in fairness to the Home Office, I thought this was a bit of a sensationalist newspaper article. That rise was in airgun offences, as I recall. There has been a rise lately in the most serious offences, I was surprised he didn't mention that. I find it interesting that Nottinghamshire Police have replaced their SW revolvers with the Walther P990. However I've got to say having six armed police officers on foot patrol is hardly the "sky is falling" situation a lot of people are making it out to be. The interesting statistic the Home Office has that they never mention is that virtually all criminals armed with firearms that are apprehended by the police are apprehended by police who are _not_ armed with firearms. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-Bill of Rights
From: "John Hurst", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Page 75 quotes the case of Bowles v. Bank of England confirms that the Bill of Rights remains an operative statute BTW. Page 10 contains the following passage; ... cannot the 1920's set of restraints be challenged as well on the grounds that the inferred threat is no longer present? It seems to me that if the purpose of the 20's enactment's were valid for that period, and since that threat is no longer valid... ET, The sinister fact about the current political and legal regime in the UK is that the law does not apply to them. That is because the legal establishment is appointed by the political establishment. The separation of powers has broken down. This is not new, it seems to be an inherent tendency of establishments that morality comes to mean the protection of that establishment. A speech in the mid 1700's by Lord Chatam criticising breaches of the Bill of Rights by purported Crown prerogative to suspend the law could have been written today, and the remedy, I would argue, is the same; "...This also I will be bold to say from the history of England, that our liberties owe most to great noblemen who were not lawyers. Sure I am, lawyers have often appeared amongst us, to be the worst guardians of the constitution, and too frequently the wickedest enemies to, and most treacherous betrayers of the liberties of their country. Of this truth, the preamble of the Bill of Rights, which the learned lord. has himself appealed to in the debate, as his chief; though I think, much mistaken and much misrepresented authority, will be a perpetual monument, in these words: 'Whereas king James 2, by the assistance of divers evil counsellors, judges, and ministers, employed by him, did endeavour to subvert and extirpate the Protestant religion, and the laws and liberties of this kingdom.' Certain it is, that no arbitrary prince, when meditating the subversion of the constitution, ever was at a loss for lawyers and judges to second his de signs in spite of their learning, and in spite of the religion of the Oaths to support and maintain the constitution. And so ship money and the dispensing power have, in former times, had the vile countenance, and, if it could be so called, the authority of the bench, and of the sages of the fathers of the law (as Charles 1 named his ship-money judges) while a Hampden, and such like patriots, who were the greatest honour, and the greatest blessing of England in their day, stood forth the saviours of their country, by resisting the Usurpation's of the crown, supported by the perfidy of corrupt judges". The Internet means we are all potential Hampdens now. Regarding the quote from the Research paper above, following the Dunblane incident petitions based on the Bill of Rights circulated via the Internet by concerned shooters were sent to as many MPs as possible. The intention was to register their concern about possible infringement of the Bill of Rights and to warn them that they could be held to account through the Courts for their actions if they did not comply with the law. It is believed that this correspondence is the reason why the library of the House of Commons felt obliged to issue the following document titled "Gun Control and the Bill of Rights" for the information of members, and the final chapter of the Research Paper; "The library has received a large number of enquiries, which appear to be the result of campaigns among shooters opposing the new provisions on firearms control. Because of the initial influx of such enquiries, I prepared a section on the alleged constitutional implications of the then Bill as part of our research paper which we published for its second reading debate. There are a numbers of variants of the message sent to members which contain a reference to the Members oath of allegiance. I assume that the argument put forward by shooters is along the following lines; (1) The Bill of Rights 1689 requires all officers and ministers to serve the Monarch according to its provisions. (2) The Bill of Rights 1689 protects citizen's rights to bear arms and not to have their property confiscated. (3) Therefore Members who support this sessions legislation may be in breach of their oath of allegiance. The 1997 Act does not appear to refer at all to the 1689 Statute, and any claims that the earlier statute has been impliedly amended or, indeed, that Parliament has no power to make such amendments, would have to be matters for the Courts if put before them. It is perhaps of interest that, notwithstanding the apparently widespread lobbying on Bill of Rights grounds, virtually no mention of this argument was made during the Bill's passage through Parliament" (Document Ref. 4321 97/3/14HA BKW/aor. 4th March 1997) Note the last paragraph. The Bill of Rights was not mentioned. I would argue that this was because they were afraid to reveal to the general public the existence of a British
CS: Target-90 degree hold
From: "William Latimer", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi There The 90 degree hold does have a basis in practical pistol.For a series of targets to be shot single weak handed for a right handed person then If the semi auto pistol of normal configuration is canted 90 degrees clockwise ie ejection port facing down and a sequence of targets engaged from the one on the extreme left then the normal muzzle flip,now in the horizontal plane, moves the muzzle on to the next target. I have only seen this used by one shooter where the supposed speed increase has perhaps made a tangable difference but he was blindingly quick anyway. Regards William -- Any twit who did this I would almost certainly DQ. The only reason in IPSC to do it is to shoot through a low port. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
