CS: Pol-Serfs' Privileges Restored
From: "James McNair", [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to put it that way then yes , is there really an alternative ?. -- Yes, vote for the most pro candidate there is, who is standing! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-London march
From: Kenneth Wyatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have we decided on any identifying mark to denote cybershooter? I am marching with my club, alongside at least one other contributor. It would be nice to recognise others from other groups. I really don't suit carnations of whatever colour but would like to at least exchange a thumbs up with other listers. Ken -- I am going to put "Cybershooters" at the base of my placard. Subscribers have my permission to use the Cybershooters logo (which is on the website, Times New Roman bold italic is the font), provided the placard is polite and does not contain anything libellous, racist or otherwise offensive. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-another two shot
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 men shot in Peckham 4am Monday 29 Jan - It's on the news but not on the BBC web site yet..H not on the BBC news either..HMM The details are 2 men shot in the head by a "gang" of others 1 was DOA to hospital the other is critical, the man who died was shot twice in the head , yet again on Peckham High Street. (the other hot spot for executions is Coldharbour Lane, by Loughborough Junction Train Station 3-4 executions there last yearon that one strip of road a body on the back seat of a car, on a corner of the road (I drove past the Forensics team coming going) --- Here's the shooting I missed driving into by about 2 mins last year in Peckham (would have been in the middle of it if a friend hadn't called me back as I was leaving) It would have been a good move if the Police car that cut me up to block the road had asked if I had any "first aid training" The things they neglect to mention was there were 2 Drug dealers who went to kill a rival, each carried an Ingram Mac 11 (according to other reports) at least 3 magazines were emptied into a crowd of more than 10 people who were standing in the same queue as the rival drug dealer outside Chicago's Night Club. Ie. they "sprayed the crowd" to get 1 person When I saw it on the news 2 bulletins on the bbc itv their reporters "couldn't be bothered" according to the expressions on both of their faces!!! An attempted mass murder the news reporters were bored! Maybe if one of the Attempted murderers had once held a FAC... EW http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_859000/859574.stm Monday, 31 July, 2000, 12:52 GMT 13:52 UK Nine injured in 'Yardie' shooting The area around the club is dubbed the "front line" by some locals Nine people have been hurt after a gunman opened fire outside a nightclub in what detectives believe may have been a Yardie incident involving Caribbean gangsters. A 16-year-old girl was amongst those injured when the man fired shots from an automatic weapon outside the Chicago's nightclub in Peckham High Street, south east London. The most seriously hurt was a man who suffered two chest wounds. Four women were also caught in the attack and all received hospital treatment. One woman had been shot through the arm...the other in the leg Anonymous eyewitness The incident took place at 0250BST as people queued outside the nightclub for a Jamaican sound system night. An eyewitness queuing outside the club said: "I heard the gunshot and ran away to hide and when I came out there were two women on the floor screaming. "One woman had been shot through the arm and it looked like it had gone straight through and hit her side. The other woman had been shot in the leg." 'Innocent people' Metropolitan police from Operation Trident, which tackles Yardie crimes, are investigating the attack. Detective Superintendent Peter Camilletti is appealing for witnesses. He said: "There are some innocent people caught up in the shooting. A motorist was treated for shock after seeing the attack "We do not yet know what the motive was for it. We have very few witnesses to this at the moment so we are appealing to witnesses and anyone who can tell us what happened." He said the weapon appeared to have been an automatic gun, based on cartridges found on the street. A Peckham resident, who did not want to be named, said: "This area of High Street, where the club is, is known locally as the front line because this is the point people come to if they want to meet drug dealers who deal in crack and heroin." He added: "Softer drugs are available elsewhere but this is here you get hard drugs." Footage from CCTV cameras positioned outside the club will be examined by police and an incident room has been set up in Peckham. Anyone with any information is being asked to call police in confidence on 020 8778 2375 or Crime Stoppers on 0800 555111. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-foxes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EJ Totty writes, the foxes I knew when I was a kid, were a lot bigger than the cats we had. Correct me if I'm wrong EJ, but I suspect you're referring to the grey (sorry, gray) fox, which is significantly bigger than our red fox. I know you have the red ones too, but they were imported by all those ex-English country gentlemen who ran your country in its early years, so they could keep on hunting! I believe the red fox is generally to be found east of the Mississippi, and in your home turf of WA maybe you only have the grays...? When I hunted in Ontario my only regret was I never saw any foxes or coyotes - or wolves, come to that, and I know there were a few resident wolves on some of the places I went. Anthony Harrison Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Serfs' Privileges Restored
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Kenneth if what you say is true then it looks like there is absolutely no point in voting at all doesn't it ?. At present I have a Lib Dem MP and she has admitted to me that although she knows nothing about shooting had she been in the 'House' at the time she would have voted for a ban. Where do we go from here with people like that representing us ??. -- Some of these people do come around if you bend their ears long enough. I told my MP I didn't vote for him at the last election and why. Then I told him I voted UKIP at the European election after that election, and soon it does sink in when the issue comes up that they had better support us. It doesn't take much, really. If every time the subject of shooting comes up they think: "Oh, those people come to see me about that all the time" and there is no counter view being presented to them, they are going to be more inclined not to get us mad. I doubt you will ever get an anti MP going 100% pro, but you can get an anti to become ambivalent. It's just human nature. It's harder to ignore a subject if it's personal to you, and you need to make sure your MP knows who you are and what you think. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-McMurdo
From: "Ron Rosenfeld", [EMAIL PROTECTED] To add: The former headmaster of Dunblane primary joined the Scholls inspectorate (Ofstead?) a couple of years ago. I wonder why/how? -- Better pay? Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Lessons of history?
From: "jim.craig", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just been watching a programme on ancient inventions on Discovery and noted the bit about the development of guns and gunpowder. Seems that the onset of these harbingers of death was not universally popular at the time since it made just about every other method of warfare then available instantly obsolete. The Japanese nobility were particularly ticked off about this having spent a couple of centuries keeping all kind of weapons out of the hands of their lower classes (and incidentally thereby promoting the development of many interesting kinds of unarmed combat - unintended consequences again!) while at the same time becoming very proficient in the arts of swordsmanship, mounted archery et al. The top brass decided to ban guns. Not just prohibit their use by the peasantry you understand but disinvent (uninvent?) the whole shebang of them. They made it illegal to buy, sell,import, export, own or operate any kind of gun whatsoever by anybody, period. They cut off relations with the Western barbarians who were promoting these things (conveniently forgetting that it was probably the Chinese who started the whole thing) and sat back to enjoy their feudal supremacy. Unfortunately for them, some time later, a squadron of American warships with bloody BIG guns arrived to persuade them of the error of their ways and they became enthusiastic converts to gun ownership and use ,much to the discomfort of the Russian fleet at Port Arthur, the US fleet at Pearl Harbour and the British garrison at Singapore. Now, who was it that said that those who know nothing of history are compelled to repeat it? Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-SW Deal - Anatomy of a Failure
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.msnbc.com/news/522692.asp via Drudge Guess this election AND the results of the SW boycot prove that individual actions can make a difference. Mike P A Gun Deals Fatal Wound As a landmark pact to control gun sales falls apart, Smith Wesson takes the hit By Matt Bai NEWSWEEK Feb. 5 issue For more than 50 years, George Romanoffs family has been selling Smith Wessons: .357 revolvers with hardwood handles, sleek pistols forged from blue and stainless steel. SMITHS VAUNTED HANDGUN line was easily the biggest seller at Romanoffs Pittsburgh-area store, Ace Sporting Goodsuntil last March. Thats when the 149-year-old gunmaker signed a stunning agreement with the Feds to get out from under lawsuits, promising to impose strict new rules on all its dealers. Now those who wanted to keep selling Smith guns would have to keep computerized records of every sale and store all their gunsnot just Smithsin some kind of vault. And theyd have to limit their customers to one gun every two weeks. If Smith Wesson goes under, it will be an extremely sad day for our industry. Its like a nail in our coffin. GEORGE ROMANOFF gun dealer Romanoff was about to kick off a weekend saleup to $50 off on Smith Wessonsbut he had to cancel it because his customers were furious over Smiths surrender to the enemy. To them, the new recordkeeping alone sounded like a first step toward a police state, and Smith was the government stooge. Since then, sales of the companys pistols have been so slow that Romanoff has slashed his inventory by a third. Now Smith Wesson, reeling from a consumer boycott, wants him and other dealers to go along with a scaled-back version of the agreement. But Romanoff says theres no way he can keep selling Smiths if he has to accept the companys terms. Like his customers, he feels betrayed by Smith Wessons sellout; at the same time, its as if hes turning his back on an old friend. If Smith Wesson goes under, it will be an extremely sad day for our industry, he says. Its like a nail in our coffin. POWER IN THE GUN WORLD The governments celebrated pact with Smith Wesson was supposed to bring the secretive gunmakers to their knees, much like the assault on Big Tobacco. But a year later, the deal is all but deadand the nations largest handgun maker faces real questions about its survival. Analysts say its sales lag behind the rest of the struggling industry by at least 20 percent. This is a critical time for us, says Ken Jorgensen, Smiths spokesman. We need the dealers to sign this in order to go on and do business. How the deal became a disaster says a lot about power in the gun worldpower that the people who buy guns wield over the people who make them. The Feds were sure that other gunmakers would follow Smiths lead, but the rest of the industry ran for cover instead. Smith Wesson, meanwhile, ran face first into a gun lobby at the height of its power, and a gun culture hostile to change. They entered into an agreement that was silly, says the NRAs Bill Powers. Sooner or later youve got to pay for the mistakes of the past, and theyre paying for them. A shifting political landscape didnt help. When Smith Wesson signed the deal, the Clinton administration was threatening its own suit to force gunmakers to change their ways, and there were cries for new gun laws on Capitol Hill. It didnt last. The gun lobby played a key role in electing George W. Bush, and its leaders expect him to oppose more restrictions. The gunmakers, meanwhile, are hoping Bush will do what he did in Texas: sign a law blocking any city from suing the industry. The gun war remains hard fought, but the momentum has shifted. Smith Wessons nightmare began in a Hartford, Conn., hotel room with a handshake between two uncommonly tenacious men: Andrew Cuomo, Bill Clintons Housing secretary, and Ed Shultz, then Smith Wessons CEO. Newsweek.MSNBC.com More than 30 cities had sued the gun industry for the costs of violence on their streets. Cuomo had brashly stepped into the legal swamp, hoping he could be the guy to force concessions from an obstinate industry. Most gunmakers refused to negotiate. But Shultz, a plain-spoken farmer and onetime Army sergeant, figured Smiths legal bills would soon surpass its income. His British parent company, Tomkins PLC, wanted to get Smith out of the courts so it could sell the company. Shultz and Cuomo talked in personal terms. I have two 5-year-olds and a 3-year-old, and I have a gun in my home, Cuomo told Shultz. If you can make me a safer gun, Ill buy it. Shultz agreed to do thatand more. The 25-page pact was so sweeping that lawyers for the cities feared
CS: Pol-Obviously they don't know what a camp carbine is
From: Jeremy Peter Howells, [EMAIL PROTECTED] In practical terms the difference between an M16A2 and a Marlin Camp carbine must be marginal in terms of its security use - I think this is the 'looks bad therefore it must be bad' syndrome coming to the fore again. Also how anyone can equate college security being armed with rifles with the National Guard running amuck 21 years ago is positively amazing! Regards Jerry -- You must be joking - 5.56mm will inflict a far more serious wound than 9mm at the ranges the police are likely to open fire. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Knotted Python
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On a freebie disk from the front of a PC magazine I got a photograph of the statue of the Python with the knotted barrel. As it was on this disk I assume there is no copyright. If anyone wants a copy please let me know off list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kenneth pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-foxes
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] fox meat is tasty or otherwise, is a matter to be determined. I tend to think that it might require a bit of curing time, not unlike elk, wild goose, duck, bear, and some other animals. And, as with those animals, spice -- in large quantities -- might be more the rule than the exception. Don't know where you're getting your duck and geese from..:-) Pete Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-oops
From: "Alex Hamilton", [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is incredible: A man who was mistakenly arrested and charged with possessing a firearm which turned out to be a cordless drill has been awarded compensation. Mel Sealy, 50, was paid an undisclosed sum in an out-of-court settlement after he successfully sued North Wales Police for wrongful arrest and imprisonment. The former police officer from Barbados was held in custody for 10 days after he was arrested in 1998. ___ I cannot see anything "incredible" here. The police arrested a man for possessing a gun, which turned out to be a cordless drill. Rather than admit that they made a mistake and risk scandal, the police then searched the man's home to see if they could fit him up with another charge. When they could not find a gun at his home (more intelligent force would have brought one with them and left it behind the sofa) they let him go without a charge. The man is now suing the police for attempting to cover up their arses. That is the only thing that is "incredible", because on the same basis the whole of Westminster should be in jail. Alex Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
