CS: Misc-Press Quote By Philosopher
From: "Earl W", [EMAIL PROTECTED] The press today is an army with carefully organised weapons, the journalists its officers, the readers its soldiers. The reader neither knows nor is supposed to know the purposes for which he is used and the role he is to play. Oswald Spengler (1880 - 1936) German philosopher "The Decline of the West," vol. 2, ch. 12, sct. 4, 1926 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-SA Website
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re Norman Bassett's posting on this subject: We apologise for the length of time it is taking us to get our website transferred to a new 'host'. The problem is in getting our previous host, Easyspace, to release the domain to the successor. 'Easyspace' are not responding quickly to our messages and the whole thing has gone on for far too long. Two weeks ago we received a message from Easyspace to 'pay up within two days - one of them being a Sunday - or we close you down'. That was the first inkling we had had that there was any delay in our payments. Our website had been set up by a third party who was actually financing the site for us as part of his contributions to our campaign. He is no longer in a position to do this, hence the sudden problem. This person was frequently out of contact with us and the whole situation was, in hindsight, unsatisfactory. However, this is the only significant 'hiccup' we have had with the running of the site so far. It is a pity that it happened at this time though. So Norman Bassett isn't very impressed with our site! What does this mean? If he could give us some positive suggestions for improvement we would be very pleased to consider them. Yes, we agree that a website is very important to our campaign and we are developing ours as we can. It must be borne in mind, of course, that maintenance of any information exchange system requires appropriate input of resources - ours are limited at this time and we see no point in trying to duplicate the output of, for example, Cybershooters. We do have links to many other sites but if there are still others to which it would be sensible to have links, again, please let us know and we will do what we can. Our Bulletin Board is still functioning and is 'host', amongst other topics, to a rather unpleasant exchange of views with regard to the administration of another organisation at present. Whilst we strongly support freedom of speech we feel that a serious topic of discussion is being undermined by a succession of unhelpful postings from a variety of sources containing personal remarks of a scurrilous nature. We ask all persons using our Bulletin Board to observe the niceties of civilised behaviour. Potentially libellous remarks are being deleted as soon as we observe them but otherwise the Board is not moderated in any way. The Bulletin Board address is: http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/d/26347/ I will post to Cybershooters as soon as our Website is back on again. In the meantime, please accept our apologies for our apparent incompetence in IT matters. It is, of course, possible that we are incompetent in other areas as well, as was also suggested by Norman Bassett. That remains to be seen - how do we judge competence in a campaign against an implacable foe? By results or by effort? No-one is doing much good if we judge by results, are they? At least we are doing our best to campaign for what we believe to be right and will continue to do so for as long as is necessary. If Mr.Bassett can help us we would be very pleased to receive his help. Richard Malbon, Director, Sportsman's Association. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "Peter Sarony", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excuse me for being a little surprised, but in my experience of Remington 700's and most other patterns of firearm for that matter, the problems such as described, e.g. with dodgy safety catches, occur when someone ill qualified has messed about with the sear or other trigger components. I believe the same may well have applied to others reported on CS earlier this year, where there was a link with a "gunsmith" or home "gunsmithing". Even simply backing off the trigger setting screws to obtain a light trigger is sufficient for the sear to follow through as the bolt is operated, or for the sear and striker to follow down when the safety is released etc. The real hole(excuse the pun) in the last reported "incident" is surely ...why was he unloading a live round from the chamber of a cocked rifle in his home!!!.. and then why was he releasing the safety catch to do so when with unmodified Remington 700s the bolt can be opened whilst the safety catch is engaged? Regards, Peter Sarony - Armalon Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Quote
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't want to enter into the camo clothing debate but I think this quote is relevant: Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in. -Alan Alda, actor and director (1936-) Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Crime-man murdered by gang
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAN MURDERED BY `RUTHLESS' GUN GANG 221647 FEB 10 By Sinead McIntyre, PA News A man died and three people suffered minor injuries today after a shooting incident at a house, police said. Darren Bell, 31, of York Street, Blackburn, died after he was shot by three men in balaclavas who burst into the property on Mona Road in the town just after 3am. An 11-month-old baby was in the house at the time of the shooting but was not injured, a Lancashire Police spokeswoman said. Three other men received minor injuries and were taken to hospital but one was later released. Mr Bell was taken to the Blackburn Royal Infirmary but died on the operating table. The three masked men fled after the shooting in a grey or silver Vauxhall Carlton or Cavalier. An incident room has been set up at Accrington police station and detectives are appealing for witnesses. A police spokesman described the killers, who shot through the door before entering the house and firing again, as reckless and ruthless. Kenneth Pantling Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Emigrate!
From: Neil Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that all systems manipulate to one degree or another, but does that make this country right? Never said it did. I was just illustrating the truism of the old saying - 'you can't beat the system'. You have inferred a lot from my single statement. Saying that 'this' or 'that' is worse in 'so and so' country is nothing more than a cheap cop out excuse, that is used to show how 'better off' we are, and to shut us up. There are probably a hundred countries on this planet where the average citizen is worse off than anyone in this country will ever be. Life's problems are relative - what you would perceive to be a problem many wouldn't. Lets face it - if the straw that broke your camel's back was you not being able to shoot pistols for a hobby then your problems are not exactly big league are they? You are just moaning and winging - we Brits are good at that - makes us feel better. Your missive is basically a rant - illustrating problems but offering no solutions. Anyone can do that. I can choose any topic and point out problems with it. If the problems are that bad do something about them. If the problems are so bad for you in this country do something about that rather than just ranting on about leaving. Maybe the real reason the majority don't want to do anything is because life ain't so bad after all. . None of them care about the firearms crime in this country or the people who are killed Who are they? Do you care about firearms crime in this country or the people who get killed? Of course not - unless you know any of the victims individually you don't give a flying fig any more than 'they' do. You are effectively part of 'them'. You say you are going over to Florida soon. Do you care about the crime rates and poverty in that state? Why do you think the UK is a waste of space? In the top 10 wealthiest on the planet. Moderate climate, relatively free, stable, civilized, democratic and full of opportunity. There are probably better but there are a hell of a lot worse. I get the impression you have spent all your life here using the system to make a living - if it is so bad why are you still here talking about going - why haven't you gone already? Is there something better? Up to us isn't it, not them (who the hell are they anyway???) --- Neil Francis Trowbridge, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Well, there is better, I just don't like running from a fight. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-antique and military show, Bisley
From: Kenneth Wyatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To be honest i'm looking for a Swedish Mauser(m96 long rifle) seen loads of dogs, travelled literally hundreds of miles to see 'em as well. Just thought if I had a chance of seeing a few of them at one time, it might be more cost effective than one gun every two hundred miles. Take care Ken -- Decent Swedish Mausers are hard to find nowadays. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Rem 700 problems
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that it may even be pertinent for a subsequent buyer to claim that the fault was created by the previous owner of the rifle and leave the vendor open to being sued for any injury that might result. If any one has a faulty arm one is as well to have a competent gunsmith or the maker check it and warrant it now OK if only to cover one's own back after the gun is sold. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-antique and military show, Bisley
From: "James McNair", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theres usually a fair mixture of stuff there. Most of it old military rifles , so you might be lucky , however , if you'd like to email me I can have a word with some dealer friends to see if they've got what your'e looking for. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-instant incapacitation
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] re. twitching of the trigger finger. --snip-- After complete decaptitation and removal of any connection between forebrain/midbrain/hindbrain and rest of body, bits still twitch. One of the twitching bits could be on a trigger or a deadman's switch. Robert Steve, Robert, Point of order: It has been my experience that twitching in animals is exclusively in muscle extension -- not contraction, followed by relaxation, then extension. Contraction would seem to be the kind of movement that is associated with intentional movement caused by brain activity which is involved in purposeful movement. I might very well be wrong here, and unless there is a medical expert who can certifiably denounce my suspicions, I shall retain them. There have been those movies where either a villain, or a hero, is shown shooting his last, with a squeeze to the trigger which discharges a shot to nowhere. I have yet to speak to anyone who has witnessed such an event, and I have my suspicions that what is shown is merely an artistic artifice with no real reference to the events as they may have happened. I can believe that perhaps whatever remained of the perceptual mind caused the fingers to exercise a movement that was a residual of cognizant and defined remnants of control, such that the appendage in question was 'thought' to be pointing in the preferred direction, but was if fact still in another. I can relate an event where I was in a semi-conscious state, and was attempting to move an object which I thought was in a certain location, when it was actually elsewhere. And, no, I was not inebriate -- I severely affected by a viral infection (just in case some wise ass wanted to comment otherwise!!). Not withstanding that event related by Mossad Ayoob, concerning a man having been shot in the head and running some flights of stairs and running else wise to his vehicle, and then collapsing, I have to wonder just just what really was the extent of the wound suffered. I'm thinking that there was a large ability remaining for the 'flight' mechanism to still operate, until the power to operate was lost. Aside from all that, my experience is that most animals which have been dealt a fatal blow, will continue to exercise the escape option and run until there is nothing left in the 'system' to tell it otherwise. Put another way, the brain causes the nervous system to exercise the last command, and until the nervous system looses its 'power' to operate, the muscles will operate in some fashion until the 'power' shuts down. Whether the muscles operate in a coordinated fashion, or merely randomly, is a question for physiologists to answer. -- In Liberty, =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= "Whenever we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary." --Thomas Paine By way of the The Federalist http://www.Federalist.com/ =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-antique and military show, Bisley
From: "Richard Loweth", [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my opinion very much worthwhile. Probably the best TRUE antique and modern ARMS show unlike many such as Birmingham and Nottingham which have become "badge and button" sales! Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Reloading Kit Questions
From: "VinceB", [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going down to visit the new Kynock (Kynamco?) at Mildenhall on saturday and will be taking 80 rounds of .375 HH to play with. This will be loaded with a Lee collet resizing die and Forster bench rest seater on my forster Co-Ax press with bullets cast from an NEI mould lubed and sized in an RCBS lubresizer. Powder is thrown from an RCBS measure. Depending on load and how the nut behind the trigger is feeling, I get accuracy of between .6 and 1.8 moa. Andrew, 0.6 MOA from a .375 HH Magnum loaded with lead bullets! Please come and shoot benchrest and give us all a lesson. Cheers VinceB Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Legal-Gun suit thrown out
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Florida appeals court rejects gun suit MIAMI, Feb 22 (Reuters) - A Florida appeals court has upheld a lower court ruling dismissing a product liability lawsuit against gun manufacturers that sought to recoup millions of tax dollars spent treating gunfire victims and investigating gun-related crime. The Third District Court of Appeal last week rejected a bid by Miami-Dade County to overturn the 1999 lower court ruling, which tossed out the county's lawsuit against two dozen gun makers, distributors and industry groups on the grounds the county lacked legal standing. Miami-Dade County Mayor Alex Penelas, who was behind the lawsuit, was considering options to continue the litigation, his spokesman said on Thursday. "The mayor is obviously a little disappointed by the decision," spokesman Juan Mendieta said. "He feels it is necessary to move ahead and see what can be done to keep this legal action alive." The Miami-Dade lawsuit, one of a series brought by more than two dozen municipalities including San Francisco, Chicago and Los Angeles, sought reimbursement for public spending related to gun violence. It alleged that gun-makers sold products that were defective because they lacked safety devices such as trigger locks and load indicators that would reveal whether the firing chamber contained a bullet. In December 1999, Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Amy Dean granted the gun manufacturers' request to dismiss the suit, ruling that the county was not a proper plaintiff. She said Florida law required plaintiffs in product liability cases to show that they were harmed by a specific defect in a specific product made by a specific manufacturer. In upholding Dean's decision, the appellate court called the lawsuit "an attempt to regulate firearms and ammunition through the medium of the judiciary. "Clearly this round-about attempt is being made because of the County's frustration at its inability to directly regulate firearms...," the appeals court wrote. "The County's frustration cannot be alleviated through litigation." Firearms dealers hailed the ruling, which was issued on Feb. 14 but made public by gun companies on Thursday. "The Florida appeals court ruling is yet another strong indication that our nation's courts will not allow themselves to be used to mandate a radical anti-gun agenda," Carlton Chen, general counsel for Colt's Manufacturing Co. Inc., said in a statement. Penelas, who filed the lawsuit in hope of forcing gun-makers to produce childproof guns and to change distribution and marketing practices, was to be briefed by county lawyers next week on his options for pursuing the litigation. "There are several avenues. There is the possibility of a direct appeal to the (Florida) Supreme Court. We could petition the Third District for a rehearing. Or we could not pursue it," Assistant County Attorney Javier Soto said. Defendants in the Miami-Dade lawsuit included Smith Wesson Corp., a unit of the British conglomerate Tomkins Plc; Beretta U.S.A. Corp.; Glock Inc.; Sturm Ruger Co Inc; Colt's Manufacturing Company Inc.; Browning Arms Co. and Carl Walther GmbH. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Gallery Rifle power limits
From: Jonathan Spencer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I want is the formula so that I can work out if any of my carbine loads exceed it. It would be nice if someone who understood the formula could write it so I could plug it into Excel. the equation you need is KE in ft-lbs = 1/2 m * v^2 where m = mass in grains and v = velocity in feet/second You need to convert your bullet's weight to mass, and the Excel formula is: =0.5*(Weight_in_grains/(7000*32.16))*Velocity^2 --Jonathan Spencer, firearms examiner "Justice is open to everybody in the same way as the Ritz Hotel." Judge Sturgess, 22 July 1928 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Modern Pentathlon
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't have it anymore, but the US Modern Pentathalon is HQ'd in San Antonio, I believe, and they would be a great source of info. WHen I was younger, and into fencing in a big way, I competed against those guys. They were always very helpful tothe local fencing community. I can't imagine they wouldn't be the same for the shooters Scott Harmon Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
