CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] A further article in today's New Zealand Herald, front page no less! David. NZ Herald 26-2-01 Huge arms recall leaves frontline police without rifles 26.02.2001 By ALISON HORWOOD and NZPA More than 800 police rifles have been withdrawn from service because of reports that they can discharge without anyone pulling the trigger once the safety catch is released. The Remington model 700 .223 calibre rifles are issued to general-duty officers called to an incident involving arms before the armed offenders squad has arrived. National police operations manager Superintendent Neville Matthews is heading an investigation into the rifles. He said the recall was a precaution following an article in a deerstalking news-letter and debate overseas. The article in the New Zealand Deer Stalkers Association newsletter last month said that model 700 had been at the centre of more than 80 lawsuits against Remington in the past 20 years. In one case seven years ago, the company paid $17 million in damages to a Texan man whose firearm accidentally discharged and shot him in the foot. In another case, in Montana, a 9-year-old was shot dead by his mother as she was unloading the firearm. The article describes the Remington 700 as one of the most popular rifles in the world with more than 3 million sold since it went on the market in 1962. It also quotes a representative from Remington saying that model 700 was safe and reliable. The Remington website has special safety instructions for model 700 users. "Even when the safety switch is in the S [locked] position, careless handling can cause the firearm to fire." It also says that despite the worldwide decline in fatal firearm accidents, Remington is concerned about reports of accidental firings of model 700 and other bolt-action rifles. Two accidental discharges of police Remingtons have been reported in New Zealand in the past two years. Neither was in a tactical situation and no one was injured. "We are not saying the weapon is faulty. But issues have arisen and we are taking precautions until we get more details," said Mr Matthews. "If the firearm discharges when you don't want it to, there could be tragic consequences." The rifles are issued to police called to incidents involving arms before the armed offenders squad can be mobilised and for emergencies such as shooting escaped livestock on motorways. Mr Matthews said that because the withdrawal left general-duty police without rifles, the squad had been placed on a higher level of readiness. General-duty staff now had only 9mm Glock pistols available. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A)nd then why was he releasing the safety catch to do so when with unmodified Remington 700s the bolt can be opened whilst the safety catch is engaged? Regards, Peter Sarony - Armalon Steve, Peter, I must agree with Peter here. There is no other action which a shooter can do -- in the measure of safety: open the bolt. Else wise, remove all ammunition from the arm. I have -- to date -- never had a firearm discharge while opening the bolt. If there is someone out there who has had that unfortunate happenstance, please speak up. -- In Liberty, =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= "Whenever we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary." --Thomas Paine By way of the The Federalist http://www.Federalist.com/ =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= =*= ET Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] An item in The Dominion (Wellington, New Zealand) today ( 24-Feb,) reads as follows: Police Withdraw 800 rifles after fault found. More than 800 police rifles have been withdrawn from use after police found some of the guns had malfunctioned. The .223 Remington Model 7 rifle, used by general frontline staff for firearms training, was withdrawn immediately after some of the guns fired without the trigger being pulled. Assistant Police Commissioner Paul Fitzharris said last that to protect public and police safety he ordered the withdrawal. Police were taking urgent action to solve the problem and would review the situation next week. National Police Operations manager Neville Matthews said last night the malfunction was detected on a training exercise. When dirt or dust got into the trigger mechanism the gun automatically fired when the safety catch was released. The gun had not malfunctioned on an operation, he said. -- David. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "Peter Sarony", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excuse me for being a little surprised, but in my experience of Remington 700's and most other patterns of firearm for that matter, the problems such as described, e.g. with dodgy safety catches, occur when someone ill qualified has messed about with the sear or other trigger components. I believe the same may well have applied to others reported on CS earlier this year, where there was a link with a "gunsmith" or home "gunsmithing". Even simply backing off the trigger setting screws to obtain a light trigger is sufficient for the sear to follow through as the bolt is operated, or for the sear and striker to follow down when the safety is released etc. The real hole(excuse the pun) in the last reported "incident" is surely ...why was he unloading a live round from the chamber of a cocked rifle in his home!!!.. and then why was he releasing the safety catch to do so when with unmodified Remington 700s the bolt can be opened whilst the safety catch is engaged? Regards, Peter Sarony - Armalon Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: Pete Ansbro, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Several things spring to mind here: Over the last couple of weeks I have be researching the apparent problem with the trigger mechanism on Remington 700's. There's a fairly continuous thread on this at rec.guns. Not having a Remy, I admit to not actually reading any of the many posts involved. my own older style 700's went off inside my house as I was unloading it to clean it, (without touching the trigger). Can't often imagine taking a loaded gun into the house myself. I have since traded the gun, but have kept the serial number and would like to report this to someone that is keeping track of these numbers. Er... I can understand the desire to be rid of the problem but how responsible was this? Pete Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "George", [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should have retained the rifle until it has been repaired. Remington has contact information on their web-page. I have a M-700 with that problem myself. I haven't had the time to contact Remington about it. George Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "David M", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Litigation is not my intent, however, myself as a safety professional, I feel certain ethics are involved. "Certain ethics" !? Like trading the gun on to another unsuspecting buyer? That doesn't quite tie up with the definition of "ethics" in my book. David. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "Tony Jeeves", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but one really has to ask: What was a "safety professional" doing cleaning a loaded rifle in a domestic environment? Regards Tony Jeeves Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-Remington 700 faulty safety
From: "Q. Baker", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Over the last couple of weeks I have be researching the apparent problem with the trigger mechanism on Remington 700's. I have heard for years there was some sort of problem with the old safety arrangements but dis regarded this as negative hype or situational, at least until January 12, 2001. This is when one of my own older style 700's went off inside my house as I was unloading it to clean it, (without touching the trigger). The bullet penetrated two walls, a closet, a hutch type desk that my Grandmother left me and entered our new mattress and bed frame. Fortunately my wife or son wasn't home at the time. I have since traded the gun, but have kept the serial number and would like to report this to someone that is keeping track of these numbers. I have not been able to find any contact information for anyone and thought you might have a name with a contact number or email address. Litigation is not my intent, however, myself as a safety professional, I feel certain ethics are involved. TIA, Quent Baker -- I have no idea I'm afraid. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
