Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Max, CB, At 07:15 2002-10-17, Max Bowsher wrote: CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: I'm going to describe exactly how setup behaves for me. Explain carefully how it differs for you. Setup Splash Page [Next] Choose a Download Source [Install from Local Directory, Next] Select Root Install Directory [Next] Select Local Package Directory [Next] Progess [wait] Select Packages [Make necessary choices in the package chooser thingy, Next] Stuff gets installed. This is very helpful. It is quite possible that I am too impatient. How long is the Progress [wait] step under what conditions including CPU speed (mine is very slow, a 486/80)? Less than 1 sec on my P4 1.2GHz. I think you should hear disc access during this phase. (I can't tell - 1GB of RAM allows a lot of disc cache :-) ) You have got to be kidding! You must have very few packages installed. I have a full mirror of all binary and source packages and keep all the binary packages installed. Preparation for Install from Local Directory takes 2:15 (min:sec) on my system. This system is, by the standards of the moment, one of the fastest systems one can buy (the only real exception in this case being the mere Ultra-Wide SCSI disk and channel on which my local Cygwin package mirror resides--the other disks, including the Cygwin are Ultra-160; Well, that and the fact that I keep the mirror package files on an NTFS compressed volume). After Setup.exe is done scanning the package repository and the active installation to tell me what's available for installation (update), it has consume about 6 seconds of CPU time (on a 2.4 GHz P4) and has read 748 million bytes. The local package mirror / repository occupies 489 megabytes. Hmmm... Now that I think of it, it could only be counter-productive to use file system compression on all those BZip2-compressed files (as well as on the older gzip-compressed ones). I'll exclude that portion of the volume from compression in the future. OK. After removing the system-level compression from the archive and immediately re-running Setup.exe in Install from Local Directory the scanning time decreases from 2:15 to 1:50. Not bad. Anyway, the point is that considerable patience can be required for this phase of Setup.exe's operation. I suppose some sort of progress meter might forestall the incorrect conclusion among some users that the program has hung or is looping infinitely, possibly trashing their disk in the process... (Did I phrase that sufficiently neutrally to avoid being asked to submit a patch?) I considered that that should be virtually instantaneous, and I gave the process the 3 fingered salute after a relatively short time. As I said, I have about 90 odd megabytes of bz2 files downloaded as candidates to process, much of which I want to ignore for now. Patience is a virtue... If the system has to expand all those bz2 files and extract the tar directories, that would explain the delay. It doesn't extract them. I think it just walks the tree checking presence and sizes (and, in as-yet-unreleased setup versions, the md5sum). Can you confirm that all I need to do to shift those elsewhere (a different disk) is to bodily move the whole download source directory (and subdirs etc) there? You should move the entire local package directory (the one you specified in setup.exe) and all subdirs. The setup.ini file in particular is vital if you want to do an install with no net access. Max. Randall Schulz Mountain View, CA USA -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: I'm going to describe exactly how setup behaves for me. Explain carefully how it differs for you. Setup Splash Page [Next] Choose a Download Source [Install from Local Directory, Next] Select Root Install Directory [Next] Select Local Package Directory [Next] Progess [wait] Select Packages [Make necessary choices in the package chooser thingy, Next] Stuff gets installed. This is very helpful. It is quite possible that I am too impatient. How long is the Progress [wait] step under what conditions including CPU speed (mine is very slow, a 486/80)? Less than 1 sec on my P4 1.2GHz. I think you should hear disc access during this phase. (I can't tell - 1GB of RAM allows a lot of disc cache :-) ) I considered that that should be virtually instantaneous, and I gave the process the 3 fingered salute after a relatively short time. As I said, I have about 90 odd megabytes of bz2 files downloaded as candidates to process, much of which I want to ignore for now. If the system has to expand all those bz2 files and extract the tar directories, that would explain the delay. It doesn't extract them. I think it just walks the tree checking presence and sizes (and, in as-yet-unreleased setup versions, the md5sum). Can you confirm that all I need to do to shift those elsewhere (a different disk) is to bodily move the whole download source directory (and subdirs etc) there? You should move the entire local package directory (the one you specified in setup.exe) and all subdirs. The setup.ini file in particular is vital if you want to do an install with no net access. Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Max Bowsher wrote: Zieg, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Progess [wait] How long is the Progress [wait] step under what conditions including CPU speed (mine is very slow, a 486/80)? Less than 1 sec on my P4 1.2GHz. I think you should hear disc access during this phase. (I can't tell - 1GB of RAM allows a lot of disc cache :-) ) Mine is often 15-20sec on 1.7Ghz P4's (.5GB RAM). Yeah, those checksums'll kill you. There is no checksumming in the currently released setup. Only in the dev-snapshots. Too-early fallback to ctl-alt-del messed me up for a while, too. Forgot about that. Be nice if Setup had a progress bar for that It does, in the dev-snapshots. I'll let those wait and go with the crowd. All seems to work quite nicely once I control my impatience. Even without a progress bar above, a display wait - scanning or something of the ilk would be useful. Some more questions (which are not obvious to me): Q1: What to the various boxes (prev, cur, exp, view, category) do? Q2: How does one expand the window. The full screen box is grayed out, and there is no corner to grab. I hate horizontal scrolling. Q3: What does the 'disk' progress indicator mean? It is obviously not fullness of the drive, unless it is running into the uSoft bug on reporting disk space available. The output of df is as follows (v and x are SUBST on directories of the C: drive) chuck@aeyrieone ~ $ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on C:\cygwin\bin 2096832 1525856570976 73% /usr/bin C:\cygwin\lib 2096832 1525856570976 73% /usr/lib C:\cygwin 2096832 1525856570976 73% / c: 2096832 1525856570976 73% /cygdrive/c d: 2096832 1308416788416 63% /cygdrive/d e: 2096832 0 2096832 0% /cygdrive/e f: 2096832 1568864527968 75% /cygdrive/f v: 2096832 1525856570976 73% /cygdrive/v x: 2096832 1525856570976 73% /cygdrive/x * The following are not about setup. Q4: Once bash is started by the batch file, my original MSDOS path shows up in path, yet bash won't execute the DOS utilities on that path. I should probably have the batch clean out the path to keep things separate, but is this normal? I can always CTL-TAB to another window for such utilities anyhow. Q5: The packages I have installed have not appeared in the info directory, AFAICT. Man appears to take forever, but I believe its pages are considered obsolete. Is this correct? Should I take steps to install all the info pages, and if so what steps. The system feels and acts like Unix/Linux to me so far - very nice. -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: There is no such option 'install from download'. Do you mean 'install from internet' or 'install from local directory'? From local. IIRC running setup only gives the three options, including 'download'. Either of the download or install from internet options immediately attempts to connect, which is understandable. However the install from local gives no options whatsoever, and no chance to make a set of selections. I'm going to describe exactly how setup behaves for me. Explain carefully how it differs for you. Setup Splash Page [Next] Choose a Download Source [Install from Local Directory, Next] Select Root Install Directory [Next] Select Local Package Directory [Next] Progess [wait] Select Packages [Make necessary choices in the package chooser thingy, Next] Stuff gets installed. i.e. it works just fine for me. Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
RE: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Progess [wait] How long is the Progress [wait] step under what conditions including CPU speed (mine is very slow, a 486/80)? Less than 1 sec on my P4 1.2GHz. I think you should hear disc access during this phase. (I can't tell - 1GB of RAM allows a lot of disc cache :-) ) Mine is often 15-20sec on 1.7Ghz P4's (.5GB RAM). Yeah, those checksums'll kill you. Too-early fallback to ctl-alt-del messed me up for a while, too. Forgot about that. Be nice if Setup had a progress bar for that (after the screen resizing patch, natch :-) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Max Bowsher wrote: Less than 1 sec on my P4 1.2GHz. I think you should hear disc access during this phase. (I can't tell - 1GB of RAM allows a lot of disc cache :-) ) Randall R Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have got to be kidding! You must have very few packages installed. I have a full mirror of all binary and source packages and keep all the binary packages installed. Preparation for Install from Local Directory takes 2:15 (min:sec) on my system. This system is, by the standards of the moment, one of the fastest systems one can buy (the only real exception in this case being the mere Ultra-Wide SCSI disk and channel on which my local Cygwin package mirror resides--the other disks, including the Cygwin are Ultra-160; Well, that and the fact that I keep the mirror package files on an NTFS compressed volume). After Setup.exe is done scanning the package repository and the active installation to tell me what's available for installation (update), it has consume about 6 seconds of CPU time (on a 2.4 GHz P4) and has read 748 million bytes. The local package mirror / repository occupies 489 megabytes. Hmmm... Now that I think of it, it could only be counter-productive to use file system compression on all those BZip2-compressed files (as well as on the older gzip-compressed ones). I'll exclude that portion of the volume from compression in the future. OK. After removing the system-level compression from the archive and immediately re-running Setup.exe in Install from Local Directory the scanning time decreases from 2:15 to 1:50. Not bad. 1:50? Not bad? I call that bad! My machine is P4 1.2GHz, 1GB RAM, only a 5400rpm IDE HD (laptop). With setup-2.249.2.5 (release), Time is 1sec. With setup-2.259.2.4 (snapshot), Time is 17sec on 1st run, 5s if I exit and restart setup (all the package files are still cached in RAM - I get _no_ disc access at all on a 2nd run) Packages: All [curr] packages, bin src - size 508MB. Max :-) -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Last week I downloaded and used setup for the minimal cygwin system. I used the 'download from internet' and 'install from download' options ... There is no such option 'install from download'. Do you mean 'install from internet' or 'install from local directory'? Max. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Max Bowsher wrote: Last week I downloaded and used setup for the minimal cygwin system. I used the 'download from internet' and 'install from download' options ... There is no such option 'install from download'. Do you mean 'install from internet' or 'install from local directory'? From local. IIRC running setup only gives the three options, including 'download'. Either of the download or install from internet options immediately attempts to connect, which is understandable. However the install from local gives no options whatsoever, and no chance to make a set of selections. -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Max Bowsher wrote: CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Max Bowsher wrote: There is no such option 'install from download'. Do you mean 'install from internet' or 'install from local directory'? From local. IIRC running setup only gives the three options, including 'download'. Either of the download or install from internet options immediately attempts to connect, which is understandable. However the install from local gives no options whatsoever, and no chance to make a set of selections. I'm going to describe exactly how setup behaves for me. Explain carefully how it differs for you. Setup Splash Page [Next] Choose a Download Source [Install from Local Directory, Next] Select Root Install Directory [Next] Select Local Package Directory [Next] Progess [wait] Select Packages [Make necessary choices in the package chooser thingy, Next] Stuff gets installed. i.e. it works just fine for me. This is very helpful. It is quite possible that I am too impatient. How long is the Progress [wait] step under what conditions including CPU speed (mine is very slow, a 486/80)? I considered that that should be virtually instantaneous, and I gave the process the 3 fingered salute after a relatively short time. As I said, I have about 90 odd megabytes of bz2 files downloaded as candidates to process, much of which I want to ignore for now. If the system has to expand all those bz2 files and extract the tar directories, that would explain the delay. Can you confirm that all I need to do to shift those elsewhere (a different disk) is to bodily move the whole download source directory (and subdirs etc) there? -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Last week I downloaded and used setup for the minimal cygwin system. I used the 'download from internet' and 'install from download' options rather blindly, because I could not see how to select packages. More on that later. This installation basically provided bash, info, ls, etc. and seems to be trouble free. Now I wanted more. Still unable to select properly, I did select several areas which included development, editors, documentation, and launched the download phase. 5 hours of darkness later I have approximately 93 Meg of .bz2 files installed in a set of directories under \cygwin\cygdnld\ftp (from the W95 view of directories). I have no wish to repeat any such massive download. My wife has fits when the phone line is tied up for any extensive period. I now find that setup will make no selection from the download when told to 'install from download'. Q1: How can I select packages of interest? I don't want to install emacs. I have no idea what lillypond is. I do want gcc and gdb and Xwindows (maybe not Xwindows for now). I do want the documentation. In other areas my ignorance shines. Q2: How can I rearrange this download for future use. I want to move the .bz2 files to an independant disk. Q3: How is the setup system keeping track? I have now guessed that the bz2 files were packed on demand, and not simply downloaded. Q4: Where is some thorough documentation of the care and feeding of 'setup'. It certainly deserves to have some sort of help facility. or do I have to blow everything away and start over? I hope not. The faq is here and printed, and gives me no help in this area. I assume the user guide comes with the documentation package, at any rate I have not located it. -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Hey, A1: If you click on the skip icon or ext you should see 'skip' replaced by a version number of the prog you downloaded. A2: Say you selected to download packages to C:\Temp\Cygwin then all you need to do is move 'Cygwin' to somewhere else. When you re-run setup you just select the location you moved 'Cygwin' to e.g. X:\Temp\Cygwin A3: what do you mean by 'packed on demand' ??? The .bz2 archives are all of the files for that particular package (binaries,config,man pages etc.). i.e. if you selected to download the file you downloaded it, unless you got an error. A4: If you havent read the manual yet you should. It will give you lots of help on how to setup cygwin and the usage of it. There is an Installation/Setup section of the user guide (http://cygwin.com/docs.html) and you can find the faq here (http://cygwin.com/faq/)... You shouldnt need to re-install unless its not working... Have you run cygwin yet??? Elfyn - Original Message - From: CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Setup and recovering from mistakes. Last week I downloaded and used setup for the minimal cygwin system. I used the 'download from internet' and 'install from download' options rather blindly, because I could not see how to select packages. More on that later. This installation basically provided bash, info, ls, etc. and seems to be trouble free. Now I wanted more. Still unable to select properly, I did select several areas which included development, editors, documentation, and launched the download phase. 5 hours of darkness later I have approximately 93 Meg of .bz2 files installed in a set of directories under \cygwin\cygdnld\ftp (from the W95 view of directories). I have no wish to repeat any such massive download. My wife has fits when the phone line is tied up for any extensive period. I now find that setup will make no selection from the download when told to 'install from download'. Q1: How can I select packages of interest? I don't want to install emacs. I have no idea what lillypond is. I do want gcc and gdb and Xwindows (maybe not Xwindows for now). I do want the documentation. In other areas my ignorance shines. Q2: How can I rearrange this download for future use. I want to move the .bz2 files to an independant disk. Q3: How is the setup system keeping track? I have now guessed that the bz2 files were packed on demand, and not simply downloaded. Q4: Where is some thorough documentation of the care and feeding of 'setup'. It certainly deserves to have some sort of help facility. or do I have to blow everything away and start over? I hope not. The faq is here and printed, and gives me no help in this area. I assume the user guide comes with the documentation package, at any rate I have not located it. -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
Re: Setup and recovering from mistakes.
Sorry, I shouldnt have rushed this... A1: If you click on the skip icon or text you should see 'skip' replaced by a version number of the prog you downloaded, once you see that version number that means it will be installed/downloaded and then installed. Elfyn - Original Message - From: CBFalconer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Setup and recovering from mistakes. Last week I downloaded and used setup for the minimal cygwin system. I used the 'download from internet' and 'install from download' options rather blindly, because I could not see how to select packages. More on that later. This installation basically provided bash, info, ls, etc. and seems to be trouble free. Now I wanted more. Still unable to select properly, I did select several areas which included development, editors, documentation, and launched the download phase. 5 hours of darkness later I have approximately 93 Meg of .bz2 files installed in a set of directories under \cygwin\cygdnld\ftp (from the W95 view of directories). I have no wish to repeat any such massive download. My wife has fits when the phone line is tied up for any extensive period. I now find that setup will make no selection from the download when told to 'install from download'. Q1: How can I select packages of interest? I don't want to install emacs. I have no idea what lillypond is. I do want gcc and gdb and Xwindows (maybe not Xwindows for now). I do want the documentation. In other areas my ignorance shines. Q2: How can I rearrange this download for future use. I want to move the .bz2 files to an independant disk. Q3: How is the setup system keeping track? I have now guessed that the bz2 files were packed on demand, and not simply downloaded. Q4: Where is some thorough documentation of the care and feeding of 'setup'. It certainly deserves to have some sort of help facility. or do I have to blow everything away and start over? I hope not. The faq is here and printed, and gives me no help in this area. I assume the user guide comes with the documentation package, at any rate I have not located it. -- Chuck F ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. http://cbfalconer.home.att.net USE worldnet address! -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Bug reporting: http://cygwin.com/bugs.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/
