Re: release scheduling, cygwin 1.7 et al (was Re: X11R7.5 fontcache..)
* Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#RSN :-) ** LW wrote: --I don't suppose you could express that in ISO format? :-) Larry Hall wrote: Since you've asked this on multiple lists, I'm going to assume this is more than just a humorous comment that you don't expect an answer to. Posting this as a reply on cygwin would have been more appropriate, as there, it was obvious, I was *repeating* the question, (I mentioned it came up on this list), and it was there that I was *probing*, to see if a more firm day had been given that I had missed. Cygwin 1.7 will be released as soon as it's ready. So I've heard. There is no specific date at this time. --- Same as before. So I haven't missed any news and there is still no timeframe (could still be a year away) for release... firm dates are one thing, but we are hoping before Xmas, or Beltane (May Day) would give an idea. That said, I very well know the unpredictable nature of SW development. How can one give a real schedule about something that has never been done before? Managers have pushed the moniker 'software engineering' onto the field -- as though software is something that can be engineered and manufactured like off-the-shell nuts and bolts. That does the field a great disservice. As writing software is all about creativity. It's not about creating the nuts and bolts, but how they go together -- just like painting is not about the paint, it's about how it goes onto the medium. Sure you can give estimates, but reality is they are only best guesses and any number of things can come up to alter them. This was known as far back as 1985. See good paper at: http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/48174?show=full Says basically, even the act of coming up with a schedule can [adversely] affect the outcome of not creating one. The compare it to the 'Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle' But even with such knowledge at your disposal, you'll still run into Dilbertian manager types who live in a fantasy world, where, by force of will, they believe they can force a product into existence on their schedule. :^) However, I am not the manager type -- I'm not ruthless enough. That's not a reason not to use it however, if you prefer. And if you need something that's only on 1.7, this is a good time to try it out. And since you can install 1.7 beside 1.5 if you like, your risk of borking your Cygwin installation is pretty minimal. --- I saw support for dual installations in a recent announcement on Cygwin's main list. I've also seen quite a few problems reported against 1.7 in the compatibility department, but I realize that gives no indication of the number of users who don't have problems. The announced wasn't clear if the dual installation support was backwards compatible to 1.5. My history with cygwin goes back a bit, to, when having more than one cygwin install on your disk at the same time was grounds for being drawn and quartered if you reported any problem in such a setup. You know how the cygwin-standard team can be...any excuse for flaying a user provides them joy (in their 'we take pride in our meaness' way). :-) Maybe when I'm not swamped w/other probs... Thanks for the ~informative~ response. ;^) -linda -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: release scheduling, cygwin 1.7 et al (was Re: X11R7.5 fontcache..)
On 11/04/2009 05:05 PM, Linda Walsh wrote: I saw support for dual installations in a recent announcement on Cygwin's main list. I've also seen quite a few problems reported against 1.7 in the compatibility department, but I realize that gives no indication of the number of users who don't have problems. The announced wasn't clear if the dual installation support was backwards compatible to 1.5. It's been possible to install and run Cygwin 1.7 alongside 1.5 since, well, for quite a long time. This was seen as a requirement for package maintainers to start making the move to 1.7 (though it isn't a strict requirement that they do so). The announcement that you saw about multiple cygwin1.dlls with 1.7 means that this flexibility has been extended to any 1.7.x version as well. So, start dropping 1.7 cygwin1.dlls all over your disk. It's time to spread the joy! ;-) As for compatibility, that's in the eye of the beholder. But I haven't seen anything yet that I consider a show-stopper, especially considering that 1.5 is still going to be there for anyone that can't tolerate 1.7 for some reason. But that's just my opinion. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: X11R7.5 fontcache..
On 10/29/2009 11:56 PM, Linda Walsh wrote: Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#RSN :-) --- I don't suppose you could express that in ISO format? :-) Since you've asked this on multiple lists, I'm going to assume this is more than just a humorous comment that you don't expect an answer to. Cygwin 1.7 will be released as soon as it's ready. There is no specific date at this time. That's not a reason not to use it however, if you prefer. And if you need something that's only on 1.7, this is a good time to try it out. And since you can install 1.7 beside 1.5 if you like, your risk of borking your Cygwin installation is pretty minimal. -- Larry Hall http://www.rfk.com RFK Partners, Inc. (508) 893-9779 - RFK Office 216 Dalton Rd. (508) 893-9889 - FAX Holliston, MA 01746 _ A: Yes. Q: Are you sure? A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
Re: X11R7.5 fontcache..
Does this mean it is a 'beta' or test version? If it is a released version, will it be made available for the released version of cygwin (1.5). I've no idea when cygwin will release 1.7 as being 'ready'... How difficult would it be to turn on compiling in of the 'font-cache' extension? I use fonts (oddly enough), and use the xfs. I believe the font-cache allows faster performance for networked fonts? Yaakov (Cygwin/X) wrote: Cygwin/X has been updated to X.Org X11R7.5 (for Cygwin 1.7 only). -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/ FAQ: http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/
