Re: fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-07-06 Thread Jon TURNEY

On 29/06/2009 19:29, Tom Roche wrote:

Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the
following item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?
I.e. from a Cygwin-less windows box (windows= 2k) to getting a
Cygwin/X xterm up on one's screen?

 From my recent experience, it seems to me the minimal install
would be

0whatever setup.exe wants to install by default/
1 font-misc-misc
2 font-alias
3 ncurses
4 xinit
5 xterm


I've adjusted the package dependencies for xterm so now the needed things to 
start it without warnings should be installed automatically



Perhaps someone else can test the following underdetailed (fastpath/
debug-free) 10-step procedure to go from zero to xterm:


Yes, as pointed out elsewhere, something like this is probably most 
appropriate in the Cygwin/X User's Guide.  Patches welcome :-)


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Re: fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-06-30 Thread Tom Roche

Tom Roche Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:29:30PM -0400
 Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the
 following item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?
 I.e. from a Cygwin-less windows box (windows = 2k) to getting a
 Cygwin/X xterm up on one's screen?

Christopher Faylor Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:45:18 -0400
 You do understand what the F in FAQ stands for, right?

I suspect folks frequently ask, Just how much pain will this
involve? You may have noted that other projects frequently seek to
demonstrate how easy it is to setup and do some simple task.

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Re: fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-06-30 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin X)

Tom Roche wrote:

Tom Roche Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:29:30PM -0400

Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the
following item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?
I.e. from a Cygwin-less windows box (windows = 2k) to getting a
Cygwin/X xterm up on one's screen?


Christopher Faylor Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:45:18 -0400

You do understand what the F in FAQ stands for, right?


I suspect folks frequently ask, Just how much pain will this
involve? You may have noted that other projects frequently seek to
demonstrate how easy it is to setup and do some simple task.


That may well be true but the guideline we use for Cygwin is how often
a question comes up on the list.  If a question doesn't come on the list
or doesn't come up often, that doesn't mean it's not a valid question or
wouldn't be a good thing to document somewhere (like perhaps the User's
Guide).  It just means that it hasn't passed the test to make it into the
FAQ.  We'd like the FAQ to be targeted so that it's not overwhelming to
look through when trying to find a quick answer to a common question.
Certainly one could argue that it's already passed that point but if one
did make that argument, it would be a reason for trimming the FAQ of
things that aren't deemed necessary anymore rather than expanding its
charter. ;-)

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fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-06-29 Thread Tom Roche

Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the
following item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?
I.e. from a Cygwin-less windows box (windows = 2k) to getting a
Cygwin/X xterm up on one's screen?

From my recent experience, it seems to me the minimal install
would be 

0 whatever setup.exe wants to install by default/
1 font-misc-misc
2 font-alias
3 ncurses
4 xinit
5 xterm

Note that

* this is not a minimal package set, as I've no interest in
  second-guessing what goes into the default Cygwin install

* my personal experience was colored by my need to get emacs up, so I
  only tested adding the above plus emacs-X11 and font-adobe-dpi75.

* I only tested on xp

Perhaps someone else can test the following underdetailed (fastpath/
debug-free) 10-step procedure to go from zero to xterm:

0 login in as an admin

1 Decide where you want to install cygwin. Call that CYGWIN_ROOT, and
  note CYGWIN_BIN=CYGWIN_ROOT/bin

2 download latest setup.exe from http://cygwin.com/

3 download and install the default packages plus

font-misc-miscto avoid font problems
font-aliasto avoid font problems
ncurses   maybe only for emacs?
xinit to get startxwin.bat
xterm for your xterm

  and let setup.exe install an icon (noting to where the icon
  installs, e.g. your desktop)

4 Add CYGWIN_BIN to your windows %PATH%

5 Run the Cygwin (non-X) bash, e.g. from the icon.

6 Configure your mounts.

7 Verify your mounts in a new Cygwin (non-X) bash (i.e. closing the
  one you initially opened).

8 Copy startxwin.bat (which should be in CYGWIN_BIN) to a suitable
  location (e.g. $HOME) and edit it appropriately. Obviously lotsa
  handwaving here, but a simple rootless, WM-less setup would include
  the (single) line

 %RUN% XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -emulate3buttons

  and running a simple xterm would involve a (single) line like

 %RUN% xterm +tb -sl 1000 -sb -rightbar -ms red -fg black -bg white -e 
 /usr/bin/bash --login

9 run startxwin.bat; xterm ? success : debug

FWIW, Tom Roche tom_ro...@pobox.com

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Re: fastpath 0 - xterm?

2009-06-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 02:29:30PM -0400, Tom Roche wrote:
Since I'm not seeing this in the FAQ, I wanted to propose the following
item: what would be required to go from zero to xterm?  I.e.  from a
Cygwin-less windows box (windows = 2k) to getting a Cygwin/X xterm up
on one's screen?

You do understand what the F in FAQ stands for, right?

cgf

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