Re: John Ashcroft
Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote But I wonder who really believes Ashcroft is being absolutely genuine in his responses to Feinstein? In the last election in Texas when G.W. Bush was running for governor he was accused by his opponent of only using the governvorship of Texas as a base to run for the presidency of the US. He promised to serve a full term. If the boss doesn't live up to promises why should the troops?? Virtually Raymond D. Mereniuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The Physical Layer Experts" http://www.fbn.bc.ca/cable1.html
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Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft
Reno probably didn't expect the situation to, um, blow up in her face. It is also undisputed that if they wanted to avoid a show of force, they could have nabbed Koresh during his jogs around the property line or whatnot in the morning. Reese, you blather too much. -Declan At 09:19 PM 1/19/01 -1000, Reese wrote: At 11:54 PM 1/19/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 04:13:32PM -1000, Reese wrote: Then why were the troops laying siege to the compound, instead of snatching koresh when he made one of his frequent trips into town? Because sometimes a show of force is perceved as necessary. oh geez. Why was it necessary to bring in tanks, special forces and gunships for overflights? Why, when if all they wanted was koresh, all they had to do was wait for him to go to town again, and snatch him off the street as he walked down the sidewalk? Who benefited from this "necessary" show of how forcefully Reno et al. could burn wooden buildings with people inside them? Yeah-yeah, the evidence is contested, re: who started the fires. What isn't contested is the armored vehicles poking gun muzzles through the walls. Reese
Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft
At 9:00 AM -0500 1/20/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: Reno probably didn't expect the situation to, um, blow up in her face. It is also undisputed that if they wanted to avoid a show of force, they could have nabbed Koresh during his jogs around the property line or whatnot in the morning. Reese, you blather too much. I also believe that neither Waco nor Ruby Ridge were expected to go down as they did. Neither Reno nor Clinton gained anything from these debacles. What I fault is the general trend toward "militarizing the police," especially the trend toward using federal police instead of local sheriffs and law enforcement. In both cases, Waco and Ruby Ridge, local law enforcement was bypassed, even "kept out of the loop." This should not be acceptable in a constitutional republic consisting of states. There are also fundamental problems with the War on Some Weapons, the War on Some Drugs, and the War on Some Religions. Claims that Randy Weaver had sawed an inch or so off a shotgun, part of an entrapment by Feds who wanted his cooperation in other matters, tell us how close we are coming to being a police state (though we are not yet there in any plausible sense). Claims that David Koresh was mingling in unapproved ways with young women, or was selling weapons illegally (never proved, even after the ashes had been sifted), should have been handled locally, not by calling in federal ninjas. As for Ashcroft, we'll see. Bush won, so Bush gets to appoint his staff. The whole "review by the Senate" thing is a relic of the McCarthy era, actually, and should be done away with. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns
Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Tim May wrote: As for Ashcroft, we'll see. Bush won, so Bush gets to appoint his staff. The whole "review by the Senate" thing is a relic of the McCarthy era, actually, and should be done away with. Advice and consent of the Senate as to federal officers has been in the Constitution from the outset, and the only time an appointee to an incoming President's cabinet was rejected was John Tower, long after the McCarthy era. MacN
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Re: oppose nomination of John Ashcroft
At 10:52 AM 1/20/01 -1000, Reese wrote: It is also undisputed that if they wanted to avoid a show of force, they could have nabbed Koresh during his jogs around the property line or whatnot in the morning. I said something to that effect, yesterday. Missed it, did'ja? Pardon me if I don't pay terribly close attention to your deathless prose. Reese, you blather too much. Blather? As opposed to what you do? I think it's preferable. But I get paid by the word for mine, generally speaking. -Declan
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