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-- At 08:45 PM 10/5/2000 -1000, Reese wrote: You are a broken record. You keep demanding that I present evidence that I have already presented hundreds of times, that hundreds of people have already presented hundreds of times. The first exposure of Chomsky's deceptive citations was published in 1967, and they have been coming out every few months ever since. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG IFnJuIN8QPVynEtFyQ1/VFy1GaC6cR+7Bru3Ns/J 4cErcLzrhf3nFgccAi5ijORwhiItMC8WwAA+UvC1Y
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-- This is a calumny. I have personally checked hundreds, and I do mean hundreds--probably over 500--Chomsky citations to original texts and documents, and have never found any error that was not an obvious typographical error, a misprint or something like that. It would take you years to check five hundred Chomsky citations. His citations are at best obscure and hard to find, at worst impossible to find. Almost every Chomsky citation that I have checked was at best somewhat misleading, and at worst a lie. Chomsky's citations are usually false in one of three ways, sometimes false in all three ways at the same time. 1. Chomsky misrepresents the authority of the sources. For example in "Distortions at fourth hand" quoted in full in http://www.jim.com/jamesd/chomsdis.htm he represented Hildebrand and Porter as an independent review of evidence from impartial sources, whereas in fact they were merely mouthpieces of the Khmer Rouge. He represented Ponchaud as merely the mouthpiece of US imperialism, while in fact Ponchaud had interviewed hundreds of refugees, and collected hundreds of first hand accounts of Khmer Rouge terror. 2. Chomsky misrepresents the content of the sources: For example Chomsky represented the testimony of murder, torture,and terror collected by Ponchaud as second hand, when in fact it was first hand. 3. Chomsky claims sources that just cannot be found. In particular the article "Distortions at fourth hand" first leads up to the purported citation of "repeated discoveries that the massacre reports were false", and then proceeds to draw all sorts of conclusions from the alleged falsity of these massacre reports. Without this alleged citation, his article, appearing a few months after the photos of the massacres north of Aranyaprathet had horrified the world, would have sounded like the banal totalitarian propaganda that is, would have sounded no different from the vast pile of totalitarian propaganda that had become so painfully familiar throughout the twentieth century. This alleged citation is the very key and center of the whole article, and no one can find it. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG FPdykYK0P9Z3AdZh1bYxf6jZLGkO8dWr4JrqFPRz 4/zYVs4LADvz0S920cVAl2OSu3k/RRIrZM0+o3UFI
Re: Niiice kitty....
James A.. Donald wrote: : : To continue, high US officials cited by the : : highly-respected Asia correspondent of the (eminently : : respectable) Far Eastern Economic Review predicted that 1 : : million would die as a consequence of the US bombings. US : : aid officials leaving Phnom Penh when the KR took over : : predicted that two years of "slave labor" would be : : necessary to overcome the effects of the bombing. : : provided analyses by highly qualified specialists who have : : studied the full range of evidence available, and who : : concluded that executions have numbered at most in the : : thousands; that these were localized in areas of limited : : Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent, where : : brutal revenge killings were aggravated by the threat of : : starvation resulting from the American destruction and : : killing. These reports also emphasize both the : : extraordinary brutality on both sides during the civil war : : (provoked by the American attack) and repeated discoveries : : that massacre reports were false Presumably the "at most in the thousands" is a highly imaginative interpretation of Nayan Chanda, who said nothing of the kind. As to where "repeated discoveries that the massacre reports were false" comes from, no one has ever been able to suggest a source, although Chomsky clearly leads the reader to believe that the source is the Far Eastern Economic Review. Actually it isn't clear if this is what he implies, because you have left out the middle of the quotation. You also haven't said where you're quoting from - a title and page number would let the rest of us check that you haven't just stuck two unrelated passages together to prop up your argument. mike.
Re: Niiice kitty....
At 10:41 PM -0700 on 10/2/00, James A.. Donald wrote: How can I prove Churchill did not say this? The problem is the curious absence of evidence that he did say it. Weirdly enough, I may actually be working on it. A friend of friend may be able to lay hands on the source documents. Wouldn't that be strange? Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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-- I've been reading Noam Chomsky's book on Kosovo and came across this quote from a Cabinet note written by Churchill in January 1914 explaining the need for increased military expenditure (taken in turn from Clive Ponting's Churchill, 1994, P 132): "We are not a young people with an innocent record and a scanty inheritance. We have engrossed to ourselves an altogether disproportionate share of the wealth and traffic of the world. We have got all we want in territory, and our claim to be left in the unmolested enjoyment of vast and splendid possessions, mainly acquired by violence, largely maintained by force, often seems less reasonable to others than to us." Chomsky is hardly a reliable source. He routinely fabricates or falsifies quotes. I suggest you check his alleged sources. Chances are you will be unable to find his alleged source. In the unlikely event that you are able to find it, it will not say quite what Chomsky claims it said. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG x0mHawqf6qCPceEVKqvbMFm+dlud44bypomUe7yL 4fNdHawWLRaiwAZBTwUDBTep99D3yN2eWM3SZs4Xc
