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Where do these ridiculous ideas come from ?  If I own a piece of private
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2003-07-21 Thread Sunder 
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Re: Defeating Optical Tempest will be easy...

2003-07-21 Thread Peter Fairbrother 
Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 At 02:17 AM 7/21/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
 On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
 There is some minuscule proportion of X-rays produced by CRT displays.
 
 Produced by the ebeam decelerating on the shadow mask, but adsorbed
 by the glass.
 

a_b_sorbed. Absorb is a widely used word meaning 3to drink in, to soak up,2
both literally and figuratively. Adsorb is a specialized technical term,
meaning only 3to collect a condensed gas or liquid on a surface.2



The glass of CRT's absorbs so much of the X-rays that it might be hard to
detect a signal at all at any distance, but then the signal is not swamped
by noise from the not-immediately-illuminated areas, unlike the optical
emissions.

0.5 milliroentgens per hour at a distance of five (5) centimeters from any
point on the external surface of the receiver is the US legal limit[*], and
low voltage (and thus very low x-ray emission) crt monitors are common now,
if not a de-facto standard.

However, I expect shot noise to be a limiting factor here. Unfortunately,
the Roentgen is such a wierd unit it's not that easy to convert it to
photons and do the math!




A light background on a CRT screen image will give out enough delayed light
to give problems in the s/n ratio of an optical TEMPEST attack. It's much
easier to see white text on a black background than black text on a white
background.


I use 180:210:210[**] (r:g:b) text on a 255:255:255 window background at
present, with very light wallpaper, though I speckle both slightly. It's a
little hard to read, but much better than some other suggested combinations.



[*] Probably far too high for safety! Originally for TV's, where the
viewing distance is much higher. But most modern monitors will emit much
less than that. I hope! 

[**] I replaced the black in Marcus's anti-em-tempest fonts with
180:210:210, and varied the other colours in proportion. 

-- 
Peter Fairbrother

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Re: Defeating Optical Tempest will be easy...

2003-07-21 Thread Major Variola (ret) 
At 07:49 PM 7/21/03 +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
a_b_sorbed. Absorb is a widely used word meaning 3to drink in, to soak
up,2
both literally and figuratively. Adsorb is a specialized technical
term,
meaning only 3to collect a condensed gas or liquid on a surface.2

Thank you.  Have a hard time keeping them straight.  Probably a textual
clue that will undermine my pseudo-anonymity some day :-)

The glass of CRT's absorbs so much of the X-rays that it might be hard
to
detect a signal at all at any distance, but then the signal is not
swamped
by noise from the not-immediately-illuminated areas, unlike the optical

emissions.

Yes but anything that picks up the weak X-ray will be sensitive to other

normal background ionizing.  With a proportional counter like a
scintillator/PMT
combo, where you could discriminate different types of radiation on the
basis of pulse height,
but you'll be down in the photomultiplier tube's noise.  And as a cosmic
ray secondary
slows down it can generate x-rays.

Maybe if the Adversary is allowed cryogenic detectors in the next room
over... he still has to deal with the attenuating
coefficient for drywall, etc.  And again, I think basically nothing gets
through the glass.

0.5 milliroentgens per hour at a distance of five (5) centimeters from
any
point on the external surface of the receiver is the US legal
limit[*], and
low voltage (and thus very low x-ray emission) crt monitors are common
now,
if not a de-facto standard.

That's pretty hot, actually.   A glass vial of 5 gms U Acetate is only
twice that,
a few mm from the alpha-window of a GM detector.
And the broad face of a CRT means 1/R^2 doesn't apply until you
get some distance away... more like 1/R for an infinite slab.

However, I expect shot noise to be a limiting factor here.
Unfortunately,
the Roentgen is such a wierd unit it's not that easy to convert it to
photons and do the math!

Since the signal is rastering at MHz, you can't very well integrate
ionizing radiation over long times,
as you could to say detect the betas coming out of a jar of salt
substitute (potassium).

Roentgens are defined as producing a certain amount of ionization in dry
air.
The photons doing the ionizing would range from the 10's of keV for
X-rays
to MeV for gammas.  (Careful with that brightness control Eugene!)  An
ion
pair takes about 37 eV to form.  Compare with visible light's very small
range,
blue to red.

I use 180:210:210[**] (r:g:b) text on a 255:255:255 window background
at
present, with very light wallpaper, though I speckle both slightly.
It's a
little hard to read, but much better than some other suggested
combinations.

I hope you don't do this all the time...

[*] Probably far too high for safety! Originally for TV's, where the
viewing distance is much higher. But most modern monitors will emit
much
less than that. I hope! 

As do TVs.  Nowadays its the Radon daughters attracted to the charged
glass
that will be giving you your RDA (Radiation Daily Allowance.. RDA is a
Yank FDA pun)

Also some of the TV radiation was from HV tubes inside the box; that was
solved by first
using leaded glass (hack!) and then more elegantly by getting rid of
tubes.

Re: Cypherpunks archive

2003-07-21 Thread Steve Furlong 
On Monday 21 July 2003 19:49, someone wrote:
   Can you make the raw mbox archive available, or do you have that? 
 If it's less than about 200 meg, I can also receive it as an
 attachment, if you're sadistic with your mail server.

Let me think about it, and maybe ask some of the list members. The HTML 
that appears on the web page is sanitized a bit to prevent address 
harvesting. Not that c-punks' addresses are that hard to obtain other 
ways, but when I started the archive several people emphatically stated 
that they wanted the sanitizing.

Maybe I'll write a short script to sanitize the addresses in the mbox. 
That'll take a while to develop, to make sure I don't miss anything and 
because my spare time is limited for the next month and a half.

If I do make the mboxes available, they'll be available as .gz's off my 
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not 
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belongs to 
us anyhow,but soon when every thing goes according to plan.The message
could be 
strange but reality will definitely dawn on you, if you pay some attention
to 
the content.I would not have notified you but for the sake of your
integrity and 
goodwill.Please accept my sincere apologies.In bringing this message to
you,I 
have to say that I have no intentions of causing you any personal pains or 
discomfort. 

 I am Mr.Samuel Savimbi,son of the late rebel leader Jonas Savimbi of
Angola 
who was killed on the 22nd of february 2002.We are desperately looking for
a 
trustworthy person to assist us in this confidential business.My late 
father,Jonas Savimbi deposited huge sums of money out from the amount
realised from the sale of diamonds and other precious stones / metals in an 
oversea finance company.My father is presently no more,and the movement of 
his family members (including me) is highly restricted. We are forbidden to
either 
travel abroad or out of our immediate localities.Presently,the money
realised from
 those sales amounting to US$16.5M(SIXTEEN MILLION FIVE HUNDRED
 THOUSAND UNITED STATES DOLLARS)only,which my father realised,was 
transfered as consignment to this oversea finance and security company in
safety 
before his death. 

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Personal indentification numbers that is (a PIN No:)to show their
officials. 

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you and 
transfered into your account,as we would give you the neccesary
documentations 
to facilitate your collection of the consignment personally from their
payment 
office centre in Amsterdam, before the Angola government gets wind of this 
arrangement.You know my father was a rebel leader until his death.My reason
for 
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trace 
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relationship/contacts with my families.I have decided to keep that money
for my 
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clear 
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travel 
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for 
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is 
still very tensed,sensitive and unstable. With this password and
information 
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to 
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facilitate 
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with 
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released to 
you in the two large trunk boxes,after which we may likely ask you to send
some 
money for us to run away from here to any southern America country.You can
have 
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collection of the consignment,until further instructions are given by my
family. 

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2003-07-21 Thread Steve Furlong 
On Monday 21 July 2003 01:12, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
 http://nytimes.com/2003/07/21/technology/21PATE.html?pagewanted=prin
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 A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online

I worked on a commercial digital money system a few years ago. One of 
their business models was almost identical to Amos': stick cash in a 
kiosk to get electronic money. It'd be interesting to see how that 
system plays with Amos' patent. (I won't be able to observe directly, 
as I was fired from that company because I'm an incompetent slacker 
(boss's view) or because the boss was a jack-booted jackass (my view).)


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Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email

2003-07-21 Thread John Kozubik 
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

 Where do these ridiculous ideas come from ?  If I own a piece of
 private
 property, like an airplane (or an entire airline) for instance, I can
 impose whatever senseless and arbitrary conditions on your use of it as
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 please.

 Yes.
 Except that you entered into a contract to transport a human in exchange

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If there are no provisions whatever for discretionary removal, then BA was
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