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Re: current status of cypherpunks, tim may, etc. ??
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Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies
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Re: On Needing Killing (Orwell was an optimist)
At 07:20 PM 4/11/04 +, Justin wrote: Major Variola (ret) (2004-04-11 16:42Z) wrote: Blacknet is a robust archive for words, immune to force (by State or private actors), but merely words. With all due respect to the principle of freedom of speech and all that, I think that cypherpunks, and people in general, give far too little respect to words, as if words are a vague, unimportant, and remote link in the chain of causation of acts or failure-to-acts. I don't see anything wrong with Orwell's view that words control the future's view of history. His certainly have. Language is how you manipulate people from a distance. Much more convenient than hitting them. Crypto *can* keep bits free. And so maybe language. But Men with Guns control physical reality, which limits what those bits can do. Read the archives on the problems with linking credits to dollars or physical merchandise. Note that the Saudis are organizing conferences on registering and recording hawala. Note that the US will kidnap (mexican MD for instance) if they can't extradite. And how many will run a prohibited node when the penalty is watching your family assets seized, family members raped, before your eyes are gouged out? --- It can't happen here -Suzy Creamcheese
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Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies
Jim Dixon wrote... A) Two links to the same ISP: In terms of redundancy for the purposes of being fault tolerant, only one of the multiple links is ever used. With You don't understand and you are quite wrong. If one AS has more than one link to another AS, there are often very good reasons for it, and both links are used. If network A peers with network B in both Paris and New York, both will generally dump traffic for the other network at the nearest connection. He's not wrong, he's merely kinda confused on this issue. Any big link (T1/DS1/DS3/STS-3c...) into an ISP provided by the telecom service provider is almost certainly protected via SONET. SONET architectures can provide various forms of protection (not all utilize redudant compies of the data...UPSR and Linear 1+1 do, BLSR is different). Of course, the router does not see that redundancy and can not make use of it. The multiple links that do exist (each of which protected behind the scenes by the telecom service provider) can be utilized by the router. If one of those links goes down (perhaps it was unprotected extra traffic in a BLSR and there was a fiber cut), the router will just send the stuff through the other link. -TD From: Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:41:14 +0100 (BST) On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, sunder wrote: The term is used because most or all trees in the region where the English language originated are shaped just like that: they have a single trunk which forks into branches which may themselves fork and so on. These branches do not connect back to one another. I believe the real issue here is one of being able to stretch your mind into seeing things from different points of view. This is the reason I brought in the quasi-mystical quote about the sphere whose center is everywhere. Someone comes to me and says: the Internet is a tree. Then he points me at a graph of inter-AS (Autonomous System) connections to illustrate his point. That graph includes all of those seemingly redundant connections that make it _not_ a tree. These seemingly redundant connections are in fact a high proportion of all connections. That is to say, the graph is accurate and his statement wasn't. You can see the Internet in many ways. You can run a single traceroute and see it as a line. You can ping broadcast on your LAN and see it as a chorus line. If you understand what you are looking at, you can run traceroutes and see stable rings: hot potato routing at work, where the packets go out one way and come back another. Then again, I have spoken to hundreds? thousands? of people who think that the Internet _is_ the World Wide Web. Let's explain why we have multiple connections and what types of these you can expect. There are two common types of multiple connections: A) Two links to the same ISP: In terms of redundancy for the purposes of being fault tolerant, only one of the multiple links is ever used. With You don't understand and you are quite wrong. If one AS has more than one link to another AS, there are often very good reasons for it, and both links are used. If network A peers with network B in both Paris and New York, both will generally dump traffic for the other network at the nearest connection. Why? Well, on the one hand, there is no reason to carry packets originating in Paris and destined for a host in Paris all the way to New York. On the other hand, many or most networks employ hot potato routing, meaning that if network A picks up a packet for network B in Paris, it dumps it on network B as soon as it can, to minimize costs, wherever the destination might be. Some networks, concerned with quality of service, adopt the opposite strategy, and carry packets as far as possible within their own network. most ISP's, when you negotiate a contract for a backup connection, it's with the understanding that you'll only use it when the main one goes down. I don't think that you have any evidence for this assertion about what characterizes 'most' backup agreements. I do know that most networks regard this sort of statistical information as highly confidential. B) You have multiple connections to different ISP's (possibly with peering contracts, etc.) In this case when a node at your location tries to contact some other node on the internet, it's traffic doesn't go over ALL of your connections - it takes only a single path. [Ok, if your routers are correcting for an outage, then perhaps you'll see different paths being taken, but this is just the routing tables/routers settling or converging.] The world is more complicated than this. Much more. If both case A and case B, a single node in your location will see the entire internet as a tree with the root of that tree being the default gateway. (i.e. go back to doing traceroutes.) In the case
my periodic rant on quantum crypto
--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my periodic rant on quantum crypto From: Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:37:33 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /. is running yet another story on quantum cryptography today, with the usual breathless hype: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/12/133623 I'm especially unimpressed with the Does this spell the end of the field of cryptography? comment. For those who don't know much about what it is, Quantum Cryptography is a very expensive way of producing an unauthenticated link encryption device. It is useless for any application other than link encryption over a short distance and requires a dedicated optical fiber to work. QC has no properties that render it especially better for link encryption than, say, a box from one of several vendors running AES on the link instead. It is perhaps theoretically safer, but in practice no one is going to break AES either -- they're going to bribe the minimum wage guard at your colo to have 20 minutes alone with your box while they install a tap on the clear side of it (or worse, they'll slip in while the guard is asleep at his desk.) QC still requires link authentication (lest someone else other than the people you think you're talking to terminate your fiber instead). As a result of this, you can't really get rid of key management, so QC isn't going to buy you freedom from that. QC can only run over a dedicated fiber over a short run, where more normal mechanisms can work fine over any sort of medium -- copper, the PSTN, the internet, etc, and can operate without distance limitation. QC is fiendishly costly -- orders of magnitude more expensive than an AES based link encryption box. QC is extremely hard to test to assure there are no hardware or other failures -- given the key in use, I can use intercepted traffic to assure my AES link encryption box is working correctly, but I have no such mechanism for a QC box. On top of all of this, the real problems in computer security these days have nothing to do with stuff like how your link encryption box works and everything to do with stuff like buffer overflows, bad network architecture, etc. Given that what we're dealing with is a very limited technology that for a very high price will render you security that is at best not particularly better than what much more economical solutions will yield, why do people keep hyping this? Indeed, why do people buy these boxes, if indeed anyone is buying them? It is stunning that a lab curiosity continues to be mentioned over and over again, not to mention to see venture capitalists dump money after it. BTW, none of this has anything to do with Quantum Computing, which may indeed yield breakthroughs someday in areas such as factoring but which is totally unrelated... Perry - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
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Re: On Killing Blaster
At 04:26 PM 4/11/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: When faced with force, you reply with force when you can. Nah. This isn't even true in a fistfight, except when the guy you're fighting is a) significantly smaller than you, and b) less trained. More often than not, if someone attacks you, it's because they either have or perceive themselves to have an overwhelmingly superior force. See asymetric warfare Sometimes a stronger adversary decides its not worth it. See Lebanon and a few hundred dead Marines. See Vietnam. (Speaking of which, I heard McCain arguing that if we leave .iq the place becomes a hotbed of 'terrorism'. Anyone remember the Domino theory?) And of course, if it's possible to diarm your opponent without actually killing or maiming him, that's sometimes far more appropriate... No, then he'll sue you. As someone said better than myself, Crypto is one little tool in an aresenal against Men with Guns...in the end Men With Guns will probably try to shoot away bits, but it's not going to work too well. You forget that there are no bits which are not physical. Physical things reside on land leased from the State (try not paying your real estate taxes). All cables make a landing somewhere. Meanwhile, P2P, WiFi, Crypto,and lots of other stuff will slowly start to chip away at things on the edges, until the core is exposed. Where are you going to buy your hardware from, that it can't be shut down? How are you going to hide your TX from the DXing white vans?
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Re: Hierarchy, Force Monopoly, and Geodesic Societies
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, sunder wrote: The term is used because most or all trees in the region where the English language originated are shaped just like that: they have a single trunk which forks into branches which may themselves fork and so on. These branches do not connect back to one another. I believe the real issue here is one of being able to stretch your mind into seeing things from different points of view. This is the reason I brought in the quasi-mystical quote about the sphere whose center is everywhere. Someone comes to me and says: the Internet is a tree. Then he points me at a graph of inter-AS (Autonomous System) connections to illustrate his point. That graph includes all of those seemingly redundant connections that make it _not_ a tree. These seemingly redundant connections are in fact a high proportion of all connections. That is to say, the graph is accurate and his statement wasn't. You can see the Internet in many ways. You can run a single traceroute and see it as a line. You can ping broadcast on your LAN and see it as a chorus line. If you understand what you are looking at, you can run traceroutes and see stable rings: hot potato routing at work, where the packets go out one way and come back another. Then again, I have spoken to hundreds? thousands? of people who think that the Internet _is_ the World Wide Web. Let's explain why we have multiple connections and what types of these you can expect. There are two common types of multiple connections: A) Two links to the same ISP: In terms of redundancy for the purposes of being fault tolerant, only one of the multiple links is ever used. With You don't understand and you are quite wrong. If one AS has more than one link to another AS, there are often very good reasons for it, and both links are used. If network A peers with network B in both Paris and New York, both will generally dump traffic for the other network at the nearest connection. Why? Well, on the one hand, there is no reason to carry packets originating in Paris and destined for a host in Paris all the way to New York. On the other hand, many or most networks employ hot potato routing, meaning that if network A picks up a packet for network B in Paris, it dumps it on network B as soon as it can, to minimize costs, wherever the destination might be. Some networks, concerned with quality of service, adopt the opposite strategy, and carry packets as far as possible within their own network. most ISP's, when you negotiate a contract for a backup connection, it's with the understanding that you'll only use it when the main one goes down. I don't think that you have any evidence for this assertion about what characterizes 'most' backup agreements. I do know that most networks regard this sort of statistical information as highly confidential. B) You have multiple connections to different ISP's (possibly with peering contracts, etc.) In this case when a node at your location tries to contact some other node on the internet, it's traffic doesn't go over ALL of your connections - it takes only a single path. [Ok, if your routers are correcting for an outage, then perhaps you'll see different paths being taken, but this is just the routing tables/routers settling or converging.] The world is more complicated than this. Much more. If both case A and case B, a single node in your location will see the entire internet as a tree with the root of that tree being the default gateway. (i.e. go back to doing traceroutes.) In the case of a multi-homed machine, or machine that participates in routing, it itself becomes the root of the tree. There are tens of thousands of machines on the Internet that don't have a default gateway. Machines that participate in backbone routing have multiple connections and aren't the root of a tree in any normal sense of the word. There is no parent-child relationship between such routers: they are peers. These peers participate in a highly complex graph which dances continuously. The result is that routing has a large stochastic component: if you can understand what you are looking at, you often see traceroutes involving packets jumping sometimes one way, sometimes another. To make things even more difficult to understand, an increasing amount of traffic flows through MPLS tunnels, which are invisible to traceroutes. Once you eliminate cycles, and you do so in real life, you go back to a tree. You only see the alternate paths used when failover or routing errors occur. This just isn't true. Hot potato routing is the most easily understood example: traffic goes out one way and back another. It does this because the ASs involved have set their policy that way. Backbone routers have lots of knobs to configure traffic flow. Some of these allow you to throttle it, some allow you to split flows according to traffic type, some allow to to split flows statistically, some allow you to
Re: On Needing Killing (Orwell was an optimist)
At 07:20 PM 4/11/04 +, Justin wrote: Major Variola (ret) (2004-04-11 16:42Z) wrote: Blacknet is a robust archive for words, immune to force (by State or private actors), but merely words. With all due respect to the principle of freedom of speech and all that, I think that cypherpunks, and people in general, give far too little respect to words, as if words are a vague, unimportant, and remote link in the chain of causation of acts or failure-to-acts. I don't see anything wrong with Orwell's view that words control the future's view of history. His certainly have. Language is how you manipulate people from a distance. Much more convenient than hitting them. Crypto *can* keep bits free. And so maybe language. But Men with Guns control physical reality, which limits what those bits can do. Read the archives on the problems with linking credits to dollars or physical merchandise. Note that the Saudis are organizing conferences on registering and recording hawala. Note that the US will kidnap (mexican MD for instance) if they can't extradite. And how many will run a prohibited node when the penalty is watching your family assets seized, family members raped, before your eyes are gouged out? --- It can't happen here -Suzy Creamcheese
Re: On Killing Blaster
At 04:26 PM 4/11/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: When faced with force, you reply with force when you can. Nah. This isn't even true in a fistfight, except when the guy you're fighting is a) significantly smaller than you, and b) less trained. More often than not, if someone attacks you, it's because they either have or perceive themselves to have an overwhelmingly superior force. See asymetric warfare Sometimes a stronger adversary decides its not worth it. See Lebanon and a few hundred dead Marines. See Vietnam. (Speaking of which, I heard McCain arguing that if we leave .iq the place becomes a hotbed of 'terrorism'. Anyone remember the Domino theory?) And of course, if it's possible to diarm your opponent without actually killing or maiming him, that's sometimes far more appropriate... No, then he'll sue you. As someone said better than myself, Crypto is one little tool in an aresenal against Men with Guns...in the end Men With Guns will probably try to shoot away bits, but it's not going to work too well. You forget that there are no bits which are not physical. Physical things reside on land leased from the State (try not paying your real estate taxes). All cables make a landing somewhere. Meanwhile, P2P, WiFi, Crypto,and lots of other stuff will slowly start to chip away at things on the edges, until the core is exposed. Where are you going to buy your hardware from, that it can't be shut down? How are you going to hide your TX from the DXing white vans?
my periodic rant on quantum crypto
--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my periodic rant on quantum crypto From: Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:37:33 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /. is running yet another story on quantum cryptography today, with the usual breathless hype: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/12/133623 I'm especially unimpressed with the Does this spell the end of the field of cryptography? comment. For those who don't know much about what it is, Quantum Cryptography is a very expensive way of producing an unauthenticated link encryption device. It is useless for any application other than link encryption over a short distance and requires a dedicated optical fiber to work. QC has no properties that render it especially better for link encryption than, say, a box from one of several vendors running AES on the link instead. It is perhaps theoretically safer, but in practice no one is going to break AES either -- they're going to bribe the minimum wage guard at your colo to have 20 minutes alone with your box while they install a tap on the clear side of it (or worse, they'll slip in while the guard is asleep at his desk.) QC still requires link authentication (lest someone else other than the people you think you're talking to terminate your fiber instead). As a result of this, you can't really get rid of key management, so QC isn't going to buy you freedom from that. QC can only run over a dedicated fiber over a short run, where more normal mechanisms can work fine over any sort of medium -- copper, the PSTN, the internet, etc, and can operate without distance limitation. QC is fiendishly costly -- orders of magnitude more expensive than an AES based link encryption box. QC is extremely hard to test to assure there are no hardware or other failures -- given the key in use, I can use intercepted traffic to assure my AES link encryption box is working correctly, but I have no such mechanism for a QC box. On top of all of this, the real problems in computer security these days have nothing to do with stuff like how your link encryption box works and everything to do with stuff like buffer overflows, bad network architecture, etc. Given that what we're dealing with is a very limited technology that for a very high price will render you security that is at best not particularly better than what much more economical solutions will yield, why do people keep hyping this? Indeed, why do people buy these boxes, if indeed anyone is buying them? It is stunning that a lab curiosity continues to be mentioned over and over again, not to mention to see venture capitalists dump money after it. BTW, none of this has anything to do with Quantum Computing, which may indeed yield breakthroughs someday in areas such as factoring but which is totally unrelated... Perry - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe cryptography to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
nettime PlayFair Sarovar
--- begin forwarded text To: nettime [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: kevin lahoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nettime PlayFair Sarovar Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: kevin lahoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sarovar.org is India's first portal to host projects under Free/Open source licenses. It is located in Trivandrum, India and hosted at Asianet data center. Sarovar.org is customised, installed and maintained by Linuxense as part of their community services and sponsored by River Valley Technologies. From Sarovar's http://sarovar.org/ Latest News: After a short vacation thanks to a Cease and Desist letter from Apple, we're back online. Many thanks to Sarovar for hosting us.. -PlayFair Sarovar now hosts The PlayFair project http://playfair.sarovar.org/ which SourceForge has declined in order to avoid tangling with Apple's decision to go DMCA on their ass http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203 . Like something from a Gibson novel, I wouldn't doubt if Sarovar rises to meet more than another of these occasions in the near future. And so, we have more contentious open source code hosted outside of the US in order to circumvent unfavorable legal processes. Offtshoring in itself is not all that new (another example: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/ ). Here is how this one gets interesting: A big guy - Apple, goes a little sour, another (kind of) big guy - SourceForge, takes the easy route, and then an offshore repository stands in. With all of this, one thing that should not be ignored is that SourceForge should be shamed for not holding itself stronger. In a way SourceForge's decline of PlayFair and non-usage of the Safe Harbor Provision Act http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/ is an admit of defeat and a failure to stand up for one's (community's) rights. What comes out of this? Well, maybe Apple wins because they avoid a chance of being tarnished. Imagine what consumer level acknowledgment of the reality of Apple marketing a clean yet gritty 'Garage Band' motif (with all that punk rock implies) while at the same time sleeping with DRM, recently RIAA, and now DMCA, could entail... One can easily see that Apple is dancing itself into a bit of a gamble. But then again, what does an Ipod zombie care about these acronyms anyway? What does SourceForge get? Not much. This only makes it easier for them to weasle out of the next situation that comes up. Not to mention they also missed a good chance to join PlayFair in telling Apple what's what. k http://sarovar.org/ http://sarovar.org/projects/playfair/ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203 http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/ http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/playfair_dmca_takedown/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: nettime PlayFair Sarovar
The GNU-Darwin Distribution is taking a stand against what Apple has done, and we have blackened our website so that people will take notice. http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ MacNN is also running a story about it, and it is interesting that Apple has sometimes used the DMCA to threaten them as well. http://www.macnn.com/news/24175 There are some discussion threads about it, although most messages are still in the queue and not yet visible. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=6042 Here is a link to the original post. http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=367147 Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ On 12 Apr, R. A. Hettinga wrote: --- begin forwarded text To: nettime [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: kevin lahoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nettime PlayFair Sarovar Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: kevin lahoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sarovar.org is India's first portal to host projects under Free/Open source licenses. It is located in Trivandrum, India and hosted at Asianet data center. Sarovar.org is customised, installed and maintained by Linuxense as part of their community services and sponsored by River Valley Technologies. From Sarovar's http://sarovar.org/ Latest News: After a short vacation thanks to a Cease and Desist letter from Apple, we're back online. Many thanks to Sarovar for hosting us.. -PlayFair Sarovar now hosts The PlayFair project http://playfair.sarovar.org/ which SourceForge has declined in order to avoid tangling with Apple's decision to go DMCA on their ass http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203 . Like something from a Gibson novel, I wouldn't doubt if Sarovar rises to meet more than another of these occasions in the near future. And so, we have more contentious open source code hosted outside of the US in order to circumvent unfavorable legal processes. Offtshoring in itself is not all that new (another example: http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/ ). Here is how this one gets interesting: A big guy - Apple, goes a little sour, another (kind of) big guy - SourceForge, takes the easy route, and then an offshore repository stands in. With all of this, one thing that should not be ignored is that SourceForge should be shamed for not holding itself stronger. In a way SourceForge's decline of PlayFair and non-usage of the Safe Harbor Provision Act http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/ is an admit of defeat and a failure to stand up for one's (community's) rights. What comes out of this? Well, maybe Apple wins because they avoid a chance of being tarnished. Imagine what consumer level acknowledgment of the reality of Apple marketing a clean yet gritty 'Garage Band' motif (with all that punk rock implies) while at the same time sleeping with DRM, recently RIAA, and now DMCA, could entail... One can easily see that Apple is dancing itself into a bit of a gamble. But then again, what does an Ipod zombie care about these acronyms anyway? What does SourceForge get? Not much. This only makes it easier for them to weasle out of the next situation that comes up. Not to mention they also missed a good chance to join PlayFair in telling Apple what's what. k http://sarovar.org/ http://sarovar.org/projects/playfair/ http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1554203 http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/ http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/honeyd/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/09/playfair_dmca_takedown/ # distributed via nettime: no commercial use without permission # nettime is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and info nettime-l in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- end forwarded text -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: nettime PlayFair Sarovar
On 12 Apr, To: R. A. Hettinga wrote: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=6042 Ahh, that link just dropped ;-}. Here is another. http://www.advogato.org/article/764.html Regards, proclus http://www.gnu-darwin.org/ -- Visit proclus realm! http://proclus.tripod.com/ -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GMU/S d+@ s: a+ C UBULI$ P+ L+++() E--- W++ N- !o K- w--- !O M++@ V-- PS+++ PE Y+ PGP-- t+++(+) 5+++ X+ R tv-(--)@ b !DI D- G e h--- r+++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
