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At 12:39 AM 7/22/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
>
>> I'm following the Principle of not underestimating the
>> adversary,
>
>Don't go overboard: remember that there is a difference between
>underestimating your adversary and unrealistically *over*estimating
your
>adversary.

Good point.  Channelling Hettinga, crypto is economics.

>I (and I suspect you) live in the "high tech" world,

Um, yes :-)

>while a large part of academia tends to believe that the USG is around
ten
>years *behind* them (oh, to have such an ego!).  In my personal
>experience, they tend to have roughly a five year lead on what my
>world considers "bleeding edge".  That said, I'm willing to cut them a
few
>more years of slack when doing the necessary threat assessment, but I
just
>do not believe they are 20, or even 10 years ahead.  And that is not an

>"idle" belief, it's a considered, long formed opinion, based on an
awful
>lot of input data.

Fair 'nuff.  You know that 5 year predictions are too conservative, and
20 year predictions too liberal.  Ask Orwell.

My point is only that they will be killed should they leak their
actual capabilities.

>> Perhaps that grants the Maryland trogdyltes too much, but again,
>> conservatism rules in this game.
>
>Conservatism in the real world, unreasonable paranoia in the academic
>world (a necessary thing in that context).

My academic experience had nothing to do with networking.  I'm just
a manic mechanic, okay?


>> They also get radioisotope power supplies, etc.
>
>This is actually a *very* good point.  It would also address the
off-shore
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backhaul.

Ergo my dark fiber remark, even if naif.

>Yes, VA and DC have gluts of glass.  In fact, that is one of the most
>concentrated glut areas.

And most worth observing...

>While this cannot be discounted in toto, the tech comes to them from
>academia (most of the time), so generally, if you are widely read,
you'll
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>accurate about the fabs though.

In the *public* lit.

>> Albeit, "Nortel" (even if Canadian, eh?)
>
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:-)

Bent so many needles, I don't even know my real name...

>Undersea taps are hard.  No matter how you figure it.

You think subs are just toys?

>The actual intel/counterintel guys make shit for money.

What I meant was, Ames and that FBI dude Hansen (sp?), at least the KGB
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[Major Variola (ret)]

At 10:27 AM 7/22/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
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>>diplo suitcase, nowadays?

My point was, Gilmore et al were way behind what's capable.
Proof of concept needn't be compact.
A suitcase can handle his DesCrack, with all due respect,
nowadays.


>OK, so you're saying that this suitcase takes in say 10 OC-192s,
demuxes all
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unpacks the
>ATM cells, and then reassembles all of the packets therein? Questions:

Just for yucks, look up the specs on an Intel IXA processor.


>1) How does this majic box store all that data?

No store, just bridge.

>2) I've been in dozens of COs myself, and have worked extensively with
>people who have spent (collectively speaking) centuries in them. They
never
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about
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cloaking
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Do you think they so naif they'd expose themselves to a poster who dares

post *here* ?


>2) What silicon does t use? Are you saying that the government can do a
LOT
>better than 0.13 microns these days?

I'm saying that tech xfer on metal coated diamond is not just
for fun.  And years behind reality, for those with $400 toilet seat
budgets.


>3) If the majic box doesn't store the data, how does it get it back to
HQ?
>Telepathy?

One more time: dark fiber and compact drivers.  Or even your more subtle

unused-bandwith usage, "back atcha".


>As for trolling, well when I do it I do it with friggin' style
m'friend.

True 'nuff.  I mean no harm, only to provoke some to think, is all.
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May I encourage you to make use of this document and help in its
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To help you in this, I did put online at

   http://dud.inf.tu-dresden.de/Literatur_V1.shtml

all older versions of this document (starting with v0.5) not only in
.pdf, but in .doc as well. The latter you can use easily using, e.g. MS
Word, to highlight any delta between versions, e.g. the differences
between the last version you have read and the current version.

Happy to hear from you

Andreas

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