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Zero knowledge( ab )
hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. Thankyou, Sarad. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
There is a simple protocol for this described in Schneier's Applied Crypto if you have one handy... (If I recall the application he illustrates with is: it allows two people to securely compare salary (which is larger) without either party divulging their specific salary to each other or to a trusted intermediary). Adam On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:00:58AM -0700, Sarad AV wrote: hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b.
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Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
On 5/9/05, Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. You've got two different things mixed up here. A zero knowledge proof is normally used by one person to show that he knows a value satisfying certain conditions, without revealing what the value is. What you are asking for involves two people who want to compute a function of their inputs, without revealing those inputs. That is known as a multi party computation or MPC. As was pointed out, Schneier has some good pointers on MPC calculations. There is a program you can download called Fairplay which will perform MPC calculations like this. One of them does exactly what you are asking for. See http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/labs/danss/Fairplay/ CP
Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
On 2005-05-09T12:28:25-0400, Adam Back wrote: There is a simple protocol for this described in Schneier's Applied Crypto if you have one handy... (If I recall the application he illustrates with is: it allows two people to securely compare salary (which is larger) without either party divulging their specific salary to each other or to a trusted intermediary). Adam On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:00:58AM -0700, Sarad AV wrote: hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. I don't recall that particular protocol in AC, but it's a mistake to call such a thing zero-knowledge, since it mandatorily leaks ~1.585 bits of information (the first time) about the other person's integer. Perform it enough with enough different integers on your side, and you'll be able to discover the other person's integer. There's the round-table of people who want to know what their average salary is, but that only works if there are more than two people and no two are in collusion. (one person generates a random number, adds that to salary, gives only the sum to the next person. Everyone else simply adds their salary and passes it on. It gets back to the originator who subtracts out the random number and divides by the number of people. Hence it doesn't work with 2 people. Technically, the two-person salary comparison isn't zero-knowledge either, which explains why I didn't find it in the zero-knowledge chapter (or maybe I've lost my ability to skim technical books). Once you know the average, you know something about your salary compared with both the overall average and the average of everyone else. You know that nobody can make any more than the sum. The trouble is that you don't know how many bits of information the other person _doesn't_ have about your salary. If they know you make either A, B, or C, running the protocol Adam mentions and choosing the middle salary will reveal the other person's exact salary.
Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
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Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:13:18PM -0700, cypherpunk wrote: And of course there is Eugen* Leitl, who mindlessly forwards far and wide everything that enters his mailbox. I don't know whether we Consider me bitten by Choate. It's totally incurable. should be annoyed or relieved that he fails to exercise the slightest editorial effort by adding his own thoughts, if he has any, to the material he passes around. I don't need the list. Goddamn heise has more cypherpunk content than the list. Tim May's tired trolls have more cypherpunk content than the list. I'm trying to keep it going by keeping a steady trickle of relevant info but I'm honestly wondering if it's worth the effort. If you think I'm going to add editing effort, thus cutting some 10 minutes out of my already busy day you're out of your fucking mind. If you want high quality content, post it yourself. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
We already have de facto national ID in the form of our state driver's licenses. They are accepted at face value at all 50 states as well as by the federal government. Real ID would rationalize the issuing procedures and require a certain minimum of verification. Without it we have security that is only as strong as the weakest state's policies. CP
Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
On 2005-05-09T12:22:22-0700, cypherpunk wrote: We already have de facto national ID in the form of our state driver's licenses. They are accepted at face value at all 50 states as well as by the federal government. Real ID would rationalize the issuing procedures and require a certain minimum of verification. Without it we have security that is only as strong as the weakest state's policies. States should be free to regulate DRIVERS however they want. The DL was not meant to be an ID card, and if it was that intent was unconstitutional. The entire DL scheme may be unconstitutional anyway, but oh well. What do we need security for? We need security because a lot of people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and because society has become too diverse. There is a significant correlation between cultural diversity/proximity and social unrest. That does not require people of different races; put white klansmen next to white members of the Black Panthers and you have the same thing. None of those three core problems will be solved by RealID. Therefore, while RealID may make some difference at the margins, it cannot be very effective.
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Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
On 2005-05-09T19:55:26+, Justin wrote: What do we need security for? We need security because a lot of people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and Apparently I have not learned any lessons from the follies of a certain California governor. By close the borders, I mean secure the borders against illegal immigration. I have no interest in doing away with immigration.
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Zero knowledge( ab )
hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. Thankyou, Sarad. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html
Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
There is a simple protocol for this described in Schneier's Applied Crypto if you have one handy... (If I recall the application he illustrates with is: it allows two people to securely compare salary (which is larger) without either party divulging their specific salary to each other or to a trusted intermediary). Adam On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:00:58AM -0700, Sarad AV wrote: hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b.
