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Tyler Durden wrote: One thing to think about with respect to the RFID passports... Um, uh...surely once in a while the RFID tag is going to get corrupted or something...right? I'd bet it ends up happening all the time. In those cases they probably have to fall back upon the traditional passport usage and inspection. The only question is, what could (believably) damage the RFID? EMP? Could be tuned, even, since the RFID is resonant at a known frequency. There's a standard for excitation field strength, so all one should need to do would be hit the chip with 50-100x the expected input. Unless the system is shunted with a zener or some such, you should be able to fry it pretty easily. Now put that chip-cooker in a trash can right by the main entrance to an airport and perform some public service. -- Roy M. Silvernail is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and you're not It's just this little chromium switch, here. - TFT Dspam-pprocmail-/dev/null-bliss http://www.rant-central.com
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Re: Multiple passports?
When I saw the title of this thread, I was assuming it would be about getting Mozambique or Sealand or other passports of convenience or coolness-factor like the Old-School Cypherpunks used to do :-) On 10/30/05, Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only people that I knew that had two passports were those with an Official (red) passport or a Diplomatic (black) passport. If they wanted to go play tourist, they had to also have a tourist (Blue) passport. A few years ago, before heading on an overseas trip, I was unable to locate my current passport. After dealing with a voicemail system adapted from a Kafka novel, and bringing myself, my previous expired passport and other id, a couple official-sized photographs and cash through the secret-handshake elevator into a big waiting room for a long morning, they made me a new passport. (If you need to replace a passport more than a month before your planned travel, you're supposed to use the regular process at the Post Office and maybe pay extra for Express Mail if you're impatient. If you need to replace a passport within 3 days of travel, they've got expedited processes at major passport offices like San Francisco. But if you need to replace your passport two weeks before the trip, there's no way to talk to a human being, just Kafka's voicemailbot, so you have to wait until 3 days before the trip to get an appointment for the emergency expedited process instead of going in when you and they aren't busy :-) They informed me that the lost passport was now invalid and I should turn it in if I find it, because if I were to use it to get back into the country it would be rejected with extreme prejudice, since its number is now on the lost passports list. Of course the next day when I was packing, the passport showed up on the closet floor under the suitcase, and unlike the previous passport which I took in to replace when it was about to expire, it doesn't have holes punched in it and Expired stamped on it. For domestic air travel since the recent military coup, I normally bring a passport as ID, since it's a request from the former United States government asking foreign governments like the current TSA White People to let me pass, and I'd rather carry the technically-invalid one with me instead of the valid one just in case I lose it. I think I've also used it to travel from the EU back to the US, but I'd expect that the La Migra thugs will eventually improve their databases, possibly even before my old one expires, especially because Homeland Security wants to RFIDize us. I was considering losing my current passport before the RFID things get started, but it doesn't look like there's time, so I've got about 5 years to hope that the Republicans get thrown out on their asses in the next election and the Democrats decide that returning to the Constitution will sell better than continuing the Permanent State of Yellowalertness. Given the previous Clinton Administration's behavior, I don't expect the Hillary Clinton Administration to do any better. At 09:27 PM 10/29/2005, Jay Goodman Tamboli wrote: I wasn't able to find a reference to support this on http://state.gov, but I know it's possible to get two passports if you plan to travel to both Israel and a country that refuses to admit people with Israeli stamps in their passports. I don't think the US normally lets you have two passports, or if they do they almost certainly have the same number. But at least during the 1980s, Israel would be happy to give you a separate piece of paper with to carry with your passport that they'd stamp when you entered and left instead of stamping the passport itself. I don't remember if I did that or if I decided not to worry about it because I'd visited the Arab countries before going to Israel and didn't expect to get back any time soon.
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At 01:42 AM 10/30/2005, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: One thing to think about with respect to the RFID passports... Um, uh...surely once in a while the RFID tag is going to get corrupted or something...right? I'd bet it ends up happening all the time. In those cases they probably have to fall back upon the traditional passport usage and inspection. They've said they'll fall back on the traditional If we can't read the passport it's invalid and you'll need to replace it before we'll let you leave the country technique, just as they often do with expired passports and sometimes do with just-about-to-expire passports if you're a Suspicious-Acting Person like Dave del Torto. The only question is, what could (believably) damage the RFID? If you want to damage the RFID of a passport you're playing with, microwave ovens should do just fine. I don't know if Rivest's RFID-blocker chips use the same frequency or codespace as the passport RFIDs, but you could also leave one of them in the back of your passport. Now put that chip-cooker in a trash can right by the main entrance to an airport and perform some public service. I'd be surprised if you could put out enough energy to cook the passport RFIDs of people walking by at normal speed without also causing lots of other electrical problems.
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2005 at 08:42:35PM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: One thing to think about with respect to the RFID passports... Um, uh...surely once in a while the RFID tag is going to get corrupted or something...right? I'd bet it ends up happening all the time. In those cases they probably have to fall back upon the traditional passport usage and inspection. Actually, an RFID can be ridiculously reliable. It will also depend on how much harassment a traveler will be exposed to, when travelling. Being barred from entry will definitely prove sufficient deterrment. The only question is, what could (believably) damage the RFID? Microwaving it will blow up the chip, and cause a scorched spot. Severing the antenna would be enough for the chip to become mute. Violetwanding or treating with a Tesla generator should destroy all electronics quite reliably -- you always have to check, of course. Also, the ID is quite expensive, and a frequent traveller will wind up with a considerable expense, and hassle. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Multiple passports?
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 03:05:25AM +, Justin wrote: If I apply for a new one now, and then apply for a another one once the gov starts RFID-enabling them, will the first one be invalidated? Or can I have two passports, the one without RFID to use, and the one with RFID to play with? Here in Germany the current ID (sans smartcard/rfid/biometics) will be valid until expiry date. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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At 01:31 AM 10/30/05 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: They've said they'll fall back on the traditional If we can't read the passport it's invalid and you'll need to replace it before we'll let you leave the country technique, just as they often do with expired passports and sometimes What is the procedure (or are they secret :-) for passports which become damaged whilst travelling out of country? With a drivers license, if the magstrip doesn't work, they type in the numbers. But the biometrics are not encoded, its just a convenience. With a passport, they're relying on the chip or no? (Mechanical damage to the chip should work as well as RF or antenna damage. You will have to find the chip and crack it, mere flexing of the paper carrier doesn't work by design.)
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Re: Multiple passports?
On 2005-10-29T21:17:25-0700, Gregory Hicks wrote: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:05:25 + From: Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I apply for a new one now, and then apply for a another one once the gov starts RFID-enabling them, will the first one be invalidated? Or can I have two passports, the one without RFID to use, and the one with RFID to play with? I am not a State Dept person, but my experiences in this are... As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.) The Department intends to begin the electronic passport program in December 2005. The first stage will be a pilot program in which the electronic passports will be issued to U.S. Government employees who use Official or Diplomatic passports for government travel. This pilot program will permit a limited number of passports to be issued and field tested prior to the first issuance to the American traveling public, slated for early 2006. By October 2006, all U.S. passports, with the exception of a small number of emergency passports issued by U.S. embassies or consulates, will be electronic passports. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2005/05-21284.htm (2005-10-25 Fed. Reg.) It sounds like it's fairly safe to get a new passport after Halloween... at least until January. -- The six phases of a project: I. Enthusiasm. IV. Search for the Guilty. II. Disillusionment. V. Punishment of the Innocent. III. Panic.VI. Praise Honor for the Nonparticipants.
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Re: Blood, Bullets, Bombs and Bandwidth
At 11:59 PM + 10/30/05, Justin wrote: Tyler likes the high-speed lifestyle so much that he ditched it and moved to London? He and Jayme are back in Kurdistan, now. Don't know for how long, though. He's teaching a new class of engineers, including crypto and security stuff. Watched their jaws drop when he 'em how to break WEP, that kind of thing. They handed him his Browning at the airfield when he landed. :-) Of course, they're touchy-feely liberals through-and-through, but here's hoping they've learned a little about anarchocapitalism having watched it firsthand, albeit temporarily. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Multiple passports?
Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for applying for one now, I think the deadline for the non-RFID passwords is about 3 days away (31 Oct 2005), but I could be wrong. (In other words, if your application is not in processing by 31 Oct, then you get the new, improved, RFID passport.) Ahh, but if you get one of the first passports issued then there are likely to still be some teething problems present, leading to sporadic failures of the first batch of RFID devices. I have a funny feeling that this is going to happen to my new passport when it arrives. Peter.
