RE: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-27 Thread Trei, Peter

Careful, or you'll be W.A.S.T.E.d

Oedipa was perfectly sane - it was the people around
her who were interesting.

TCOL49 was my first introduction to conspiracy theory
and the notion of 'hidden history'. I remember it fondly.

Peter

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 From: Phillip H. Zakas[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 10:29 AM
 To:   Tim May; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  RE: Attention to detail lacking
 
 Tim May Wrote:
 
  I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: lacking a solid 
  grounding and overly reliant on his own private notions of what 
  mass and energy and group velocity and so on are. All the best 
  cranks view the world this way.
 
 maybe Choate is the long lost son of oedipa maas.
 
 phillip




Re: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-26 Thread Petro

At 8:35 PM -0700 7/24/01, Tim May wrote:
At 8:24 PM -0700 7/24/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: 

Have you ever seen the two of them together? 


(Not that college physics is needed.

I should hope not, I've got a Fine Art degree with a smattering of philosophy 
and English. 

Which is why I work with computers for a living. 

 When I was in high school I knew enough about physics and math not to have made some 
of the boners Choate has come out with.)

I don't know enough math, but I know that I don't, so where I get confused I 
ask. 




RE: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-26 Thread Phillip H. Zakas

Tim May Wrote:

 I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: lacking a solid 
 grounding and overly reliant on his own private notions of what 
 mass and energy and group velocity and so on are. All the best 
 cranks view the world this way.

maybe Choate is the long lost son of oedipa maas.

phillip




RE: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-26 Thread Tim May

At 10:29 AM -0400 7/25/01, Phillip H. Zakas wrote:
Tim May Wrote:

  I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: lacking a solid
  grounding and overly reliant on his own private notions of what
  mass and energy and group velocity and so on are. All the best
  cranks view the world this way.

maybe Choate is the long lost son of oedipa maas.

What a w.a.s.t.e.

--Tim May


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Re: Attention to detail lacking

2001-07-26 Thread mmotyka

Tim,

I think the reflected beam has the same wavelength as the incident beam.

Photons hitting a surface most definitely do not lose some energy 
and get re-emitted. There are some very particular configurations 
that can act as wavelength doublers, but this is a particular, and 
hard to set up, configuration.

Photons hitting a mirror either are re-emitted with the same energy 
as before or interact via the photoelectric effect and are 
thermalized (converted to phonons).

That colors are preserved in mirrors, absent tints (special 
absorbers), is a Physics 1 clue that mirrors do not downshift photon 
energies!.

The reason for the weak statement I think is that I imagine you might
make an argument that the momentum transfer from the photon to the
mirror results in a very small doppler shift...I'm just not positive
about it at the smallest level of interaction. 

I think Choate is much like this tech of mine: lacking a solid 
grounding and overly reliant on his own private notions of what 
mass and energy and group velocity and so on are. All the best 
cranks view the world this way.

I don't know Choate's educational background, but I would not be at 
all surprised if he is self-taught and moved into computers out of 
some technician training school.

I've reached the same conclusion. I've known some very bright people who
lacked access to a formal education. The results were some startling
levels of understanding mixed right in with some mind blowing
misconceptions and some outright gaps.

Mike