RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Damian Gerow wrote: Thus spake Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [22/03/05 16:12]: : Easy to see where that's headed: : : 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95. : 2. Cops (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make : arrest based on speeding or what have you. : 3. Cops take DNA sample. : 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered. : 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime. : 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued : member of societyMIT professor and all that. Papers report that : Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on : the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta. Uh-oh. Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough anymore? Will I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave no trace of myself anywhere from now on? Go watch GATTACA (excellent movie) for this scenario. Peter Trei
Re: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Thus spake Trei, Peter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [23/03/05 09:38]: : Uh-oh. Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough : anymore? Will : I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave : no trace of : myself anywhere from now on? : : Go watch GATTACA (excellent movie) for this scenario. Yeah, but he eventually got found, didn't he?
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, thus making 'discovery' of it meaningless. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, thus making 'discovery' of it meaningless. Yes, this is what I've been endeavoring to do, but my potential partners don't seem to understand the urgency. -TD
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Damian Gerow wrote: Thus spake Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [22/03/05 16:12]: : Easy to see where that's headed: : : 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95. : 2. Cops (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make : arrest based on speeding or what have you. : 3. Cops take DNA sample. : 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered. : 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime. : 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued : member of societyMIT professor and all that. Papers report that : Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on : the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta. Uh-oh. Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough anymore? Will I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave no trace of myself anywhere from now on? Go watch GATTACA (excellent movie) for this scenario. Peter Trei
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, thus making 'discovery' of it meaningless. end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
The simplest solution is to systematically spread one's DNA everywhere, thus making 'discovery' of it meaningless. Yes, this is what I've been endeavoring to do, but my potential partners don't seem to understand the urgency. -TD
What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206 Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00 from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept. [1]NevDull writes As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as a suspect in a crime, being vindicated by that sample, and never even being told why you were suspected. This article discusses a man, Roger Valadez, who's fighting both to have his DNA sample and its profile purged from government records, and to find out why he and his DNA were searched in the BTK case. DA Nola Foulston said, 'I think some people are overwrought about their concerns.' -- convenient as she wasn't the one probed without explanation. The article then mentions that 'In California, police will be able in 2008 to take DNA samples from anyone arrested for a felony, whether the person is convicted or not, under a law approved by voters in November.' What will be the disposition of the DNA of the innocent? References 1. http://www.funkytests.com/ 2. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1007713tw=wn_wire_story - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net pgpWxtTP7VV0e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
On 2005-03-22T15:48:19+0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206 Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00 from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept. [1]NevDull writes As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as When they take DNA samples, they use a handful of restriction enzymes and then blot the resulting dna chains. How do they digitize that to enable automated searching? What kind of tolerances do they use? Do they shift the blots vertically and compress or expand one of them to get the best match? What kinds of error margins does the digitization process introduce? I think privacy advocates are going overboard. I don't like DNA collection either, but there's no way a criminal can use southern blot profile data from a database to either compromise the individual's privacy or plant evidence at another crime scene. What's disturbing is that most entities that collect DNA keep the original tissue samples in storage. How long will it be until full DNA sequencing becomes cheap enough that they use it in serious cases (murder)? Craig Venter still has a standing offer to sequence wealthy individuals' DNA for $1 mil, doesn't he? Or was it a few million... I don't recall. They'd only need to sequence one chromosome, too, which should reduce costs. What's the actual cost of sequencing, per kb or mb (basepair, not bit)? -- Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter. --Hemingway, Esquire, April 1936
RE: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Easy to see where that's headed: 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95. 2. Cops (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make arrest based on speeding or what have you. 3. Cops take DNA sample. 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered. 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime. 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued member of societyMIT professor and all that. Papers report that Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta. -TD From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA? Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:48:19 +0100 Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/21/1937206 Posted by: timothy, on 2005-03-21 23:11:00 from the if-you-have-nothing-to-hide dept. [1]NevDull writes As creepy as it may be to deal with identity theft from corporate databases, [2]imagine being swabbed for DNA samples as a suspect in a crime, being vindicated by that sample, and never even being told why you were suspected. This article discusses a man, Roger Valadez, who's fighting both to have his DNA sample and its profile purged from government records, and to find out why he and his DNA were searched in the BTK case. DA Nola Foulston said, 'I think some people are overwrought about their concerns.' -- convenient as she wasn't the one probed without explanation. The article then mentions that 'In California, police will be able in 2008 to take DNA samples from anyone arrested for a felony, whether the person is convicted or not, under a law approved by voters in November.' What will be the disposition of the DNA of the innocent? References 1. http://www.funkytests.com/ 2. http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=1007713 tw=wn_wire_story - End forwarded message - -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: What Will We Do With Innocent People's DNA?
Thus spake Tyler Durden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [22/03/05 16:12]: : Easy to see where that's headed: : : 1. Joe Cypherpunk is doing 54 on Rt 95. : 2. Cops (or guys in a black car claiming to be local cops) stop Joe, make : arrest based on speeding or what have you. : 3. Cops take DNA sample. : 4. 2 weeks later Noam Chomsky is murdered. : 5. Hey! Joe Cypherpunk's DNA has been found all over the scene of the crime. : 6. Joe Cypherpunk is executed...that bastard! Murdering such a valued : member of societyMIT professor and all that. Papers report that : Cypherpunk Joe had once tried to become an MIT professor but never got on : the tenure track. Clearly, he had a vendetta. Uh-oh. Does this mean that my tinfoil hat isn't good enough anymore? Will I have to don a complete neoprene suit to make sure I leave no trace of myself anywhere from now on?
