Applied Crypto: question on skid3

2003-03-02 Thread MindFuq
I have a question on what seems to be a defect in the Applied Crypto
book, and I couldn't get an answer out of Schneier.  Could any of you
please clarify my issue?

My question is regarding Schneier's write up of SKID3 on page 56.  He
states that the protocol is not secure against man-in-the-middle
attacks because no secrets are involved.  I'm finding this hard to
accept, because SKID3 uses a MAC, which requires a shared secret key
between the two parties.  I played out the scenario, and cannot see
how a man in the middle could attack w/out knowing the secret key used
in the MAC.



Re: pledge of allegiance in schools

2003-03-02 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:17:25 +, you wrote:

 Look at this shit on fox news, look how they bias the question and
 mis-represent the issue.

 They ask Should children be allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance
 in school?.  As if the children wanted to, and were being prevented!

 http://q13.trb.com

 and the stats after voting no -- 88% yes.

 Adam

The polls done by these news sites are not designed to gain an 
accurate, statistically valid measure of opinion, rather they 
are designed as user participation devices to get involvement 
by the user with the web site. Like Rush Limbaugh or Donahue, 
the networks magnify controversy to gain interest. Probably the 
same group that watches professional wrestling, thrives on this 
kind of rabble rousing. No one takes them seriously. They are 
about building readership and money, not learning and conveying 
the truth.

~~~



pledge of allegiance in schools

2003-03-02 Thread Adam Back
Look at this shit on fox news, look how they bias the question and
mis-represent the issue.

They ask Should children be allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance
in school?.  As if the children wanted to, and were being prevented!

http://q13.trb.com

and the stats after voting no -- 88% yes.

Adam



Durdenian Analysis of Bush's radio address

2003-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Let me attempt some deconstruction here:

 It will be difficult to help freedom
read: the US

take hold
read take over

in a country that has known
 three decades of dictatorship, secret police, internal divisions, and 
war.
read: in a country where cities are filled with snipers and boobytraps.


 I *think* he's talking about Iraq.
Oh, he's DEFINITELY talking about Iraq.

Here's the analysis: Bush is starting to lay a face-saving foundation for 
NOT attacking Iraq, just in case it becomes obvious the whole world's going 
to bum-rush his show. The explicit spinning sound bite will go like:

We have decided that democracy in Iraq may not be achievable now. In 
particular, we have weighed the possibility of launching a costly and 
difficult urban campaign that may require many American lives and have 
decided that the price of attempting to free people who do not want to be 
free is too high.

(Perhaps the UN should one day deploy troops in the US to protect the US's 
citizens from a power-mad dictator that's in charge of history's most 
effective military machine...)

-TD

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Re: From Bush's radio address

2003-03-02 Thread Nomen Nescio
On Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:20:47 -0500, you wrote:

 on Saturday...

 It will be difficult to help freedom take hold in a country that has known
 three decades of dictatorship, secret police, internal divisions, and war.

 I *think* he's talking about Iraq.

Maybe Kuwait? How is democracy and freedom faring there more 
than a decade after the first Iraq war? Can women vote there? 
No? Has there been an election, or it is still a hereditary 
dictatorship? Oh, the latter. I see... Maybe it wasn't about 
freedom and democracy? Maybe something else? The troops are 
generally too stupid and ill informed to notice this 
incongruity. They will just go and kill people on command, while 
getting teared up over the land of the free and the home of the 
brave.


 -Declan



Re: interesting (fwd)

2003-03-02 Thread Tim May
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:35 PM, Sunder wrote:

This was slashdotted - sorry for the spam if you've already seen this,  
but
it's damned interesting reading - especially contrasted to current US
media reports on various topics including war on terror and economics.

-- Forwarded message --

http://www.topica.com/lists/psychohistory/read/ 
message.html?mid=1711891071sort=dstart=4389

--

With apologies for the group email... I thought this was interesting
enough
to pass along. These are the notes from a friend of a friend who writes
for
Newsday.
Adam Davis
Director, EPRIsolutions Environment Division
...
\Vicente Fox -- who I had breakfast with -- proved sexy and smart like  
a
--- well, a fox. David Stern (Chair of the NBA) ran up and gave me a
hug.

The world isn't run by a clever cabal. It's run by about 5,000
bickering, sometimes charming, usually arrogant, mostly male people who
are accustomed to living in either phenomenal wealth, or great personal

Welcome to Earth: meet the leaders.

Ciao,
Laurie
Who is this Laurie? I presume it's not Ben Laurie.

Sounds like a bimbette reporter, flushed with witnessing the white  
males she/he talks about.

--Tim May
The Constitution is a radical document...it is the job of the  
government to rein in people's rights. --President William J. Clinton



Re: Man decapitated while fleeing police

2003-03-02 Thread Anonymous
 This sure sounds like bullshit. How could a body be decapitated falling on
a fence like that? The human body just ain't all that fragile. 



R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/atlanta/0203/16suspect.html
 
 [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:  2/16/03] 
 
 Man decapitated while fleeing police 
 
 By LINDSAY JONES 
 Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer 
 
 *Atlanta/South Metro community page 
 
 A narcotics traffic stop on the Downtown Connector turned deadly Saturday afternoon 
 when a man climbed over the interstate railing, fell about 35 feet and was 
 decapitated on a wrought-iron fence, Atlanta police said. 
 
 Officers in a marked car stopped the man about 4:30 p.m., as he drove south on the 
 interstate above Auburn Avenue. The man, who has not been identified, stopped his 
 vehicle and tried to flee by climbing over the railing, Lt. Danny Agan said. 
 
 Police still are investigating whether the man jumped or fell off the raised 
 interstate. 
 
 This is a new one for me in 29 years, Agan said. 
 
 The decapitation shocked people who work in the neighborhood. Gary White, an income 
 tax preparer, came out of his office when he heard the commotion. It's surreal, 
 White said. 
 
 Agan said narcotics officers had been trailing the man for much of the day. 
 
 Agan did not know if the officers who tried to arrest the man would be placed on 
 administrative leave.  This is not something normally covered under the [standard 
 operating procedure] of the department, he said. 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Trivial OTP generation method? (makernd.c)

2003-03-02 Thread Bill Frantz
At 6:11 PM -0800 2/28/03, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
Yes. The intention of the check in this version was to prevent operator
blunders like feeding the program from a switched-off signal source.
Better statistical check would be a good thing, though; however, my
math-fu isn't good enough yet to come up with something simple.

FIPS-140 is your friend.  They did the math.

Cheers - Bill


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Who Owns the News

2003-03-02 Thread Eric Cordian
Adam Back writes:

 Look at this shit on fox news, look how they bias the question and
 mis-represent the issue.

FOX recently fired two reporters after they refused to change the facts of
a news story.  Fox said to them, We paid $13 billion for these stations,
and we'll tell you what the news is.

In a unanimous decision, the 2nd District Court of Appeals overturned a
$425,000 jury award to another FOX reporter who was fired after refusing
to alter the facts of a story.  THe judge ruled FOX had a right to lie,
deceive, and mislead.

MSNBC just fired Phil Donahue after a marketing report outlined a
nightmare scenario in which MSNBC was perceived as giving a forum to
anti-war sentiment while all other networks were engaged in patriotic
flag-waving.

MSNBC has now hired Jesse Ventura and Michael Savage, in order to try and
compete with FOX on its own level.

When CNN tried to cover the Palestinian side of the Mideast Conflict,
Israel threatened to drop CNN and pick up FOX instead.  CNN caved
instantly.  All CNN copy is now required to be reviewed by upper
management in Atlanta before broadcast, and anything that isn't pro-Israel
is killed.

FOX's star ratings performer is of course Bill O'Reilly, a former
schoolteacher and Asshole Douche of the first magnitude.

Americans want Rah Rah reporting.  America is Great.  Our war is noble.  
God is on our side.  Anyone who opposes us is evil.

We've pretty much gotten to the point where the only places real news can
be found in America these days is on Indymedia and The Daily Show with Jon
Stewart.  A sad situation for a country with an alleged free press.

I guess markets control the press even better than government ownership
does.

-- 
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Re: Man decapitated while fleeing police

2003-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
This sure sounds like bullshit. How could a body be decapitated falling on 
a fence like that? The human body just ain't all that fragile.

We're probably going to find out the guy's got a few dozen entries wounds in 
his back, in attempt to alter the man's course as he fell towards the fence.

-TD






From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Man decapitated while fleeing police
Date: Sat,  1 Mar 2003 18:05:11 +0100 (CET)
 This sure sounds like bullshit. How could a body be decapitated 
falling on
a fence like that? The human body just ain't all that fragile.



R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/metro/atlanta/0203/16suspect.html

 [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:  2/16/03]

 Man decapitated while fleeing police

 By LINDSAY JONES
 Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

 *Atlanta/South Metro community page

 A narcotics traffic stop on the Downtown Connector turned deadly 
Saturday afternoon when a man climbed over the interstate railing, fell 
about 35 feet and was decapitated on a wrought-iron fence, Atlanta police 
said.

 Officers in a marked car stopped the man about 4:30 p.m., as he drove 
south on the interstate above Auburn Avenue. The man, who has not been 
identified, stopped his vehicle and tried to flee by climbing over the 
railing, Lt. Danny Agan said.

 Police still are investigating whether the man jumped or fell off the 
raised interstate.

 This is a new one for me in 29 years, Agan said.

 The decapitation shocked people who work in the neighborhood. Gary 
White, an income tax preparer, came out of his office when he heard the 
commotion. It's surreal, White said.

 Agan said narcotics officers had been trailing the man for much of the 
day.

 Agan did not know if the officers who tried to arrest the man would be 
placed on administrative leave.  This is not something normally covered 
under the [standard operating procedure] of the department, he said.




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Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 16:14:58 -0600, Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At least two of my prior e-mail addresses made never ever spam these addresses lists (unlike remove lists, these are actually heeded by a lot of spamming vermin), so I know that this can work.
Where can one sign up to these never ever spam lists?

Dave Hodgins



Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 08:40 AM, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:

On Sat, 1 Mar 2003 06:17:25 +, you wrote:
Look at this shit on fox news, look how they bias the question and
mis-represent the issue.
They ask Should children be allowed to say the Pledge of Allegiance
in school?.  As if the children wanted to, and were being prevented!
http://q13.trb.com

and the stats after voting no -- 88% yes.

Adam
The polls done by these news sites are not designed to gain an
accurate, statistically valid measure of opinion, rather they
are designed as user participation devices to get involvement
by the user with the web site. Like Rush Limbaugh or Donahue,
the networks magnify controversy to gain interest. Probably the
same group that watches professional wrestling, thrives on this
kind of rabble rousing. No one takes them seriously. They are
about building readership and money, not learning and conveying
the truth.
Fox is also worse than some of the others. Nearly every news program is 
dripping with chauvinism, rah-rah patriotism, and overall snarkiness.

The level of political debate in the U.S. is declining. I don't think 
it's just my age. Even partisan programs like Crossfire, on CNN, used 
to be more interesting. This even when Pat Buchanan and Michael Kinsley 
were the main hosts, circa 1990.

The few times I've turned it on in recent years I've found it expanded 
to a one-hour show, complete with whooping audience and two caricatures 
as hosts: ultra-liberal airhead Paul Begalla and sneering, smarmy, 
preppie Tucker Carlson.

Speaking of sneering, this seems to be the main technique. Anne 
Coulter, usually described as a leggy blonde, is a 
rail-thin-but-attractive blonde who has written several best-sellers 
and who specializes in hair flips, eye rolls, and sneers. She reminds 
me of my sister as a high schooler: Oh, I am SO SURE! does not make 
for a very illuminating political commentary.

Bill O'Reilly, currently the darling of conservatives, is even worse. 
While he doesn't do the hair flips that Anne Coulter has trademarked, 
he routinely cuts off his guests in mid-sentence. I expect I'd last 
about two minutes with him before standing up, on camera, removing my 
earpieces, and saying Fuck this.

Part of this is television and shorter attention spans. The yahoos (TM, 
The Yahoo Corporation, All Rights Reserved) won't watch dry, detailed 
discussion such as we used to see in the 60s, 70s, and 80s on Firing 
Line, for example. William F. Buckley doesn't fit with the zoomy, 
snide, MTV approach of today, where political ideas are packaged in 
sound bites and set to a music track.

Charlie Rose, on PBS, is much better. He'll interview a guest for 30 
minutes, sometimes an entire hour. And the interview is polite, with no 
eye rolls, few interruptions (some are normal in any conversation), and 
no Oh, COME ON!!s substituting for making actual points.

So, as should be apparent, I don't watch much of the CNN or Fox or 
MSNBC coverage. I have my t.v. on with the sound down most of the time 
I'm here sitting in front of my computer (actually, leaning back in my 
high tech recliner with a flat panel monitor positioned perfectly, 
satellite receiver and 35-inch t.v. in front of me). But I can't stand 
to listen to what's being said for more than a minute or two.

And when I see Fearless Leader telling us about nucular threats and 
evil doers and how we're gonna open a can of Texas whoop-ass on 
those bad boys!, I mute the sound instantaneously. I voted for this 
yahoo (TM) as the lesser of two evils, but he's gotten much worse, much 
faster, than I expected. We're seeing the transformation of a C-student 
Texas frat boy into an anything is OK as long as it gets whoops and 
cheers American-style world policeman.

The Republican ideology of limited government, of fiscal conservatism, 
and of not running around doing nation-building, all of this is now 
in the dustbin of history. Republicans now stand for empire.

And liberals are no better. Where are the Dems in this debate? In fact, 
where's Congress? Where are the heated floor debates about going to 
war? Where's the resolution for war? Congress shall have the power to 
declare war. seems to have been forgotten, conveniently.

If this War on Some Terrorists somehow goes spectacularly well in Iraq, 
and Columbia, and North Korea, and Nigeria, then the Dems will say they 
supported it along. If it turns into a train wreck, a clusterfuck, a 
Blackhawk Down scenario of heavy fighting in the streets of Baghdad, 
then the Dems will cluck that they never supported it in the first 
place.

Why are so few in the press pointing this out?

(a rhetorical question, as we know the reasons)

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--Tim May

Friends,

After more than 7 years with my got.net e-mail address, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], the amount of unsolicited e-mail I am getting on a 
daily basis has escalated sharply in recent months.

So my new address is [EMAIL 

Re: Trivial OTP generation method? (makernd.c)

2003-03-02 Thread Thomas Shaddack

 * Using the output to seed MD5 for the next block exposes that part of the
 state of the RNG.  Might be better to use half the MD5 output as seed for the
 next block, and the other half as output data.

The RNG takes most of its input (except the initial seeding) from the
external source of de-facto-impossible-to-predict-accurately data.
However, it's a good comment; the program should allow to switch on this
mode, trading added entropy for output stream rate (the program was
originally intended as moderate-bandwidth, to produce a CD worth of random
data in no more than few hours).

 * Your RNG takes input from an attackable source.

The input - the TV tuner card audio device - was chosen on the basis of
being available without me having to leave my chair when I got the idea; I
am aware about this risk, though I don't expect an active attack of this
kind ot be feasible against an offline OTP generator.

However, I was playing with the idea of using a just-slightly-modified
program to continually feed the entropy pool. Then the risk of active
attack becomes more real. Also, vast majority of my computers don't have a
tuner card in, so they will be dependent on an external noise source. Here
a real noise generator has to come to play. Looking for something
simple, powered from +5V.

At this moment, I am pondering to design a small analog noise generator
for the microphone input of a sound card (as most of my servers which
could need this toy have an onboard soundcard). The mike input is designed
for the electret microphone, which needs a power supply; the input is
AC-coupled with a capacitor and connected to the power supply through a
resistor. So there is a miliamp or two on few volts that I can use for the
noise generator. Its usability as a power supply is likely to depend on
the board/soundcard; I measured available voltages being 0.7V on a
motherboard-integrated card, 2.5V on my POS laptop, and 4.8V on a PCI128
soundcard. With a simple noise-generator circuit (possibly a 1458 opamp
fed with something like a Zener diode noise or anything similar suitable),
it could be a very cheap and simple random noise generator (the whitening
of the signal through a hash function is a must here, though, as the
desired simplicity of the circuit will likely result in an uneven spectral
distribution of the output, thus lower-than-optimal entropy). Even if the
soundcard mike input won't offer high enough voltage, we can borrow +5V
from keyboard, mouse, joystick, or USB port, for the cost of another
connector and another piece of wire (which then turns an elegant neat
clean sleek single-plug design into a wirey mess, but on the other hand
allows us to put it all inside the server's case - then we can even take
advantage of +12V available from the HDD power supply connector, and feed
the signal into the CD-IN on the onboard sound card; using two
independent noise generators and feeding their outputs to left and right
channel could neatly double the input bandwidth).

The point of this device isn't to have an absolutely-bulletproof system,
but to provide good-enough-for-nearly-everyone el-cheapo HW RNG for under
$10-15.

 be attackable - it would depend on how well I could manipulate the /dev/dsp
 output via my transmitter.

You could eg. get the system to receive a continuous clean sine wave, or -
more likely - feed it with high-amplitude impulses. Until I'll talk myself
into putting together the hardware RNG from the previous paragraph.

 The present check only requires that some pair of bytes differ by 16
 - something that might be relatively easy to cause with a transmitter.

Yes. The intention of the check in this version was to prevent operator
blunders like feeding the program from a switched-off signal source.
Better statistical check would be a good thing, though; however, my
math-fu isn't good enough yet to come up with something simple.

 Of course, reading 128 bytes buys you a lot of entropy even just
 from marginal noise, so you may still be okay.

This was what I hoped for. :)




Re: Who Owns the News

2003-03-02 Thread Tyler Durden
Funny.  Some time ago I saw some Israelis murder a Palestinian
kid on numerous stations, Fox among them.
Well, the cynical part of me chalks this up to the fact that there's some 
vague pro-Palestinean sentiment brewing, and they don't want to get caught 
with their pants down.

-TD







From: James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who Owns the News
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2003 19:41:33 -0800
--
On 1 Mar 2003 at 11:25, Eric Cordian wrote:
 FOX recently fired two reporters after they refused to change
 the facts of a news story.  Fox said to them, We paid $13
 billion for these stations, and we'll tell you what the news
 is.

 In a unanimous decision, the 2nd District Court of Appeals
 overturned a $425,000 jury award to another FOX reporter who
 was fired after refusing to alter the facts of a story.  THe
 judge ruled FOX had a right to lie, deceive, and mislead.

 MSNBC just fired Phil Donahue after a marketing report
 outlined a nightmare scenario in which MSNBC was perceived
 as giving a forum to anti-war sentiment while all other
 networks were engaged in patriotic flag-waving.
You are making all this crap up.  For example Donahue was fired
because few were watching him sneer at them.   Liberals cannot
succeed in talk shows because they hate and despise their
audience.  He was getting about one quarter the audience of the
competion.   The nightmare scenario that MSNBC was so alarmed
by was that no one was watching him vomit hatred over his
audience.
Much the same for all your other stories

 When CNN tried to cover the Palestinian side of the Mideast
 Conflict, Israel threatened to drop CNN and pick up FOX
 instead.  CNN caved instantly.  All CNN copy is now required
 to be reviewed by upper management in Atlanta before
 broadcast, and anything that isn't pro-Israel is killed.
Funny.  Some time ago I saw some Israelis murder a Palestinian
kid on numerous stations, Fox among them.
Channel surfing last night I saw bits of a long boring
documentary where the camera followed various Palestinians
around in their daily lives, depicting the distressing effect
on the Palestinians of various Israeli collective punishments.
Not sure what station it was on.  Terribly earnest public good
stuff.
 Sure the press is biased, but there is plenty of stuff that is
 very far from pro Israel, even on channels that are openly pro
 Israel, such as Fox.
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Re: Who Owns the News

2003-03-02 Thread Bill Stewart
At 07:41 PM 03/01/2003 -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
 MSNBC just fired Phil Donahue after a marketing report
 outlined a nightmare scenario in which MSNBC was perceived
 as giving a forum to anti-war sentiment while all other
 networks were engaged in patriotic flag-waving.
You are making all this crap up.  For example Donahue was fired
because few were watching him sneer at them.   Liberals cannot
succeed in talk shows because they hate and despise their audience.
He was getting about one quarter the audience of the competion.
Nah.  It's not that liberals hate and despise their audiences
any more than conservatives do (oh, come on now, can you tell me
Ollie North doesn't disrespect the people he lies to?)
I don't get the impression that Oprah's a flaming conservative,
though she may not be the most liberal person around,
but she seems to do just fine at _her_ talk show.
And Howard Stern seems to be successful, in between getting
kicked off the air occasionally for tastelessness.
Donahue stopped being on the air years ago because he'd
used up his supply of imagination and interestingness
(not that I was ever a fan of his), and dragging back someone
who used to be interesting just because you hope maybe he'll be
interesting again is usually a losing game; talk shows aren't sitcoms
and they don't make good nostalgic reruns, though an occasional
rerun of, say, David Frost interviewing Nixon might be fun.
(There are a few exceptions, like the Canadian import Sue Johangten
doing the Sunday Night Sex Show on cable tv.)
Most of the national talk shows on radio are either conservatives
or ranting right wingers or sports shows (which don't count.)
The ranters get some mileage out of insulting people for a while,
trying to keep finding new people to hate and insult,
but it gets old after a while, and now that there's no longer
a Clinton Administration supplying easy targets, it's hard to sustain.
Some of them manage to be entertaining and interesting for a long time,
but it's hard to get more than your fifteen minutes of fame unless
you're really skilled at it (anybody still remember Mort Downey Jr?)
And radio talk is easier to do well than TV talk; even Limbaugh
couldn't sustain the latter, and I assume Dr. Laura's gone too.
The more interesting problem is watching the national syndicated shows
try to take over for the locals.   Limbaugh's the classic,
and in general it's been conservatives who succeeded, though
Jim Hightower was around for a while.  Most of the nationalists
have been political, while the locals have had much more mixed topics,
typically focusing on local issues as well as national, and not all politics,
and they're often more likely to be liberals, like Bernie Ward in SF.


Re: Who Owns the News

2003-03-02 Thread James A. Donald
--
On 2 Mar 2003 at 1:00, Bill Stewart wrote:
 Most of the national talk shows on radio are either 
 conservatives or ranting right wingers or sports shows (which 
 don't count.) The ranters get some mileage out of insulting 
 people for a while, trying to keep finding new people to hate 
 and insult, but it gets old after a while, and now that 
 there's no longer a Clinton Administration supplying easy 
 targets, it's hard to sustain.

You take for granted that news shows are to the right of their 
audience.  This does not seem to be the case.   Fox has 
determined the political views of the typical person who is 
interested in news, and Fox is dead center on that demographic. 
If O'Reilly is neither right nor left, but instead balanced, 
even if far from fair, then existent talk shows are fairly 
representative of their audience, about equally split between 
right and left, which of course makes them all extreme right 
wing as compared to most of the people who run the news.

As to which side is spewing rage and hatred, try googling for 
references to Ann Coulter.   Anne laughs at her opponents.  I 
get the feeling that they would put me in the gulag if they 
could, along with most of their audience.   Similarly recall 
the debate between Chagnon and his various opponents. The joke 
so often made about feminists is also very much applicable to 
those than in the America call themselves liberals. 

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Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Dave Howe wrote:

 you find the author of one of those 10,000 verified email addresses! cds
 you blow up his car, burn down his house, paint little targets on his kids,
 and cut his telephone connection.

Given that a hit job by Russian mafia ran for about 5 k$ not so very long
ago, the apparent immunity to mayhem by so many who've been begging for it
for a oh so long time restores my faith into fundamental niceness of the
average monkey.



Re: Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war

2003-03-02 Thread Nomen Nescio
 http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,905899,00.html


 Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war

 Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security 
 Council members

 Read the memo
 http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,905954,00.html

 The memo is directed at senior NSA officials and advises them that the agency is 
 'mounting a surge' aimed at gleaning information not only on how delegations on the 
 Security Council will vote on any second resolution on Iraq, but also 'policies', 
 'negotiating positions', 'alliances' and 'dependencies' - the 'whole gamut of 
 information that could give US policymakers an edge in obtaining results favourable 
 to US goals or to head off surprises'.

 Dated 31 January 2003, the memo was circulated four days after the UN's chief 
 weapons inspector Hans Blix produced his interim report on Iraqi compliance with UN 
 resolution 1441.

 It was sent by Frank Koza, chief of staff in the 'Regional Targets' section of the 
 NSA, which spies on countries that are viewed as strategically important for United 
 States interests.

Do you think Mr. Koza would answer questions about it? The pre-
Total Information Awareness system seems to indicate he can be 
reached at 410-964-3814 in Columbia, MD, a 25 minute drive from 
Fort Meade. If he's encouraging tapping people's home phones, 
surely he can't object to a phone call simply asking for 
information. Learning more about this is clearly in the public 
interest. He should be given an opportunity to explain this 
disturbing news.

 Koza specifies that the information will be used for the US's 'QRC' - Quick Response 
 Capability - 'against' the key delegations.



Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:30 AM 3/1/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 08:40 AM, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:
The Republican ideology of limited government, of fiscal conservatism, and 
of not running around doing nation-building, all of this is now in the 
dustbin of history. Republicans now stand for empire.
Oh, come on now.  The Republican rhetoric of smaller government was always 
just that, rhetoric.  Where you do you think the Republicans came 
from?  Most came from the Whig Party who central platform was 
mercantilism.  After the Union put down the Southern Rebellion the size of 
the federal government grew by leaps and bounds, under Republican hegemony, 
until at least the end of Reconstruction.

Since the time of Franklin Roosevelt, post-FDR Republicans have preached 
the free-enterprise, private-property, limited-government line of their 
pre-FDR Republican predecessors. In real life, however, post-FDR 
Republicans have lived the life of the lie. For they have embraced and 
supported every single socialistic, welfare-state scheme that has been 
implemented in America in the 20th century.

The congressional elections of 1994 flushed Republicans out into the open. 
Once the elections were over, the fatal flaw  the life of the lie  was 
exposed for all to see. Not only was nothing of substance abolished or 
dismantled, there was not even an attempt to do so.  The lie of the 
Republican fiscal conservatism is like the lie of moral justifications for 
wars.  Despite the free-enterprise rhetoric, the Republican revolution 
was never about freedom for the American people. Rather, it was what it has 
been since 1932  a way to win Republican control over the lives and 
fortunes of the American people, mostly to serve their aspirations of 
empire and as

What would a real revolution look like? It would be a libertarian 
revolution. And it would be one of the most exciting events in history.

An example might involve new amendments to the U.S. Constitution.  For example:

1. No law shall be passed by either the national or state governments 
respecting the regulation of peaceful activity, including commerce, or 
abridging the free exercise thereof.

2. No subsidy, grant, welfare, aid, loan, or other special privilege shall 
be provided to anyone, domestic or foreign, by either the national or state 
governments.

3. Neither the national government nor the states shall engage in any 
business or commercial enterprise, including the delivery of mail.

4. No law shall be passed by either the national or state governments 
respecting the establishment of education or abridging the free exercise 
thereof. Compulsory school-attendance laws and school taxes are prohibited.

5. No law shall be passed by either the national or state governments 
respecting the ownership of weapons or abridging the free exercise thereof.

6. No law shall be passed by either the national or state governments 
respecting the establishment or regulation of money or banking. 
Legal-tender laws and a central government bank are prohibited.

7. Trade and immigration controls, by both the national and state 
governments, are prohibited.

8. The imposition of taxes by the national and state governments is 
prohibited. All governments shall be funded voluntarily, or not at all. To 
fund the national government, the government of each state shall be 
required to remit ten percent of gross revenues to the national government.

9. Conscription is prohibited. Governmental involvement in foreign wars is 
prohibited.

10. Except for the White House, the Capitol, and the Supreme Court 
building, and the corresponding buildings in the respective states, 
governmental ownership of real property is prohibited.


And liberals are no better. Where are the Dems in this debate? In fact, 
where's Congress? Where are the heated floor debates about going to war? 
Where's the resolution for war? Congress shall have the power to declare 
war. seems to have been forgotten, conveniently.
Yes, its true they do have that power but it seems, like much else in the 
Constitution, the word shall has been twisted through textural 
interpretation to mean may.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
-- H.L. Mencken


Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:15 PM 03/01/2003 -0800, Steve Schear wrote:
The congressional elections of 1994 flushed Republicans out into the open.
Once the elections were over, the fatal flaw the life of the lie was
exposed for all to see. Not only was nothing of substance abolished or 
dismantled,
there was not even an attempt to do so.
While I agree with most of your article, I semi-disagree with this section.
The Contract On America struck a real chord with American voters,
and the Republicans got a lot of people elected by it,
and they did kill off Clinton's health-care nationalization (yay!)
but they failed to get most of the rest of their program accomplished because
Clinton was a better politician and poker player than they were.
Their relentless attacks over the Monica Lewinsky affairs showed that
they were a really tacky self-serving bunch who'd say anything for power,
and with the budget showdown, the blinked and Clinton didn't -
remember the shutting down the government charades,
with the usual paying overtime for park rangers to block the entrances
to the Washington Monument and Yellowstone Park
(while not sending home any annoying bureaucrats who wouldn't be missed)?
They'd tried pretty hard to cut out programs they didn't like,
and got the Clintonistas to buy into Welfare Reform for poor people,
though of course welfare for defense contractors got increased,
but they lost the showdown and couldn't get their budget though.


Re: interesting (fwd)

2003-03-02 Thread Sunder
Some background on this.  This wasn't meant for public consumption, rather
a post to her friends - one of whom spilled it to the net.  This message
turned into a debate about the dangers of email - i.e. as secure as
postcards, trust of friends, etc.  

I found the contents of her email (the economic outlook, ramifications of
the war on terror, etc. as opposed to what is actually reported in the
media) far more interesting than the obvious preaching to the choir debate
about not using email for personal things that the following url's
discuss.

See: 
http://www.topica.com/lists/psychohistory/read/message.html?mid=1711891071sort=dstart=4389
for the leaked email.

See: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/02/28/1823256.shtml?tid=158
for the slashdot posting/discussion about this.

See: http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=938
for a debate discussing the implications of the privacy spil, etc.

As to the identity of said journalist, here is an excerpt from the above
Yale link:

Laurie Garrett is a science journalist and Pulitzer prize-winner; her
best-known work is The Coming Plague. She's a medical and science writer
for Newsday, a daily New York City newspaper; last month, she attended the
World Economic Forum in Davos. 


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  /|\  :their failures, we  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net 

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Tim May wrote:

 On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 01:35 PM, Sunder wrote:
 
  This was slashdotted - sorry for the spam if you've already seen this,  
  but

SNIP
 
 Who is this Laurie? I presume it's not Ben Laurie.
 
 Sounds like a bimbette reporter, flushed with witnessing the white  
 males she/he talks about.

SNIP



Re: interesting (fwd)

2003-03-02 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Sunder wrote:
As to the identity of said journalist, here is an excerpt from the 
above
Yale link:

Laurie Garrett is a science journalist and Pulitzer prize-winner; her
best-known work is The Coming Plague. She's a medical and science 
writer
for Newsday, a daily New York City newspaper; last month, she attended 
the
World Economic Forum in Davos. 
Who is this Laurie? I presume it's not Ben Laurie.

Sounds like a bimbette reporter, flushed with witnessing the white
males she/he talks about.
Oh, I know of _this_ Laurie. I bought her Plague book several years 
ago. And it turns out she went to UC Santa Cruz and she has done a few 
book signings around here...I skipped them, of course. Santa Cruz may 
well be where she got her ideological slant about persons of 
whiteness dominating the economy.

I thought her report on Davos was boring, frankly, but perhaps I was 
put off by the weird mix of adulation of and hatred for male power 
figures.



--Tim May
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, 
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance 
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, 
give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new 
problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight 
efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. --Robert A. 
Heinlein



Re: interesting (fwd)

2003-03-02 Thread Neil Johnson
I think Tim hit the nail on the head:

http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=938

-- 
Neil Johnson
http://www.njohnsn.com
PGP key available on request.



Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Dave Howe
David W. Hodgins wrote:
 Where can one sign up to these never ever spam lists?
Its quite simple.
you find the author of one of those 10,000 verified email addresses! cds
you blow up his car, burn down his house, paint little targets on his kids,
and cut his telephone connection.
if he misses the telephone connection enough, he will add you to the list.

I am told the Monks use the list as a way of keeping score though - some
have dozens of entries on it now :)



Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
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On Saturday March 1 2003 15:43, Eric Cordian wrote:

 I'm pretty sure, based on my spam volume, that spammers grep
 Cypherpunks for email addresses.

 So you're probably already hosed.

The spam volume I get remains rather low on this account, and I think 
this is primarily because I report every single spam I receive via 
SpamCop. In contrast, my Yahoo! Mail account gets so much spam it's 
unusable, and it's barely possible to report spam via the Web interface 
anymore. (Some incredible genius over there decided that nobody needed 
to forward messages with full headers, so you now have to cut and paste 
the whole message. Except for the fact that I rarely use that address 
and that doing this could cost $25/year, it would be tempting to sign 
up for their paid POP3 service and fire off a barrage of spam 
complaints from that acccount.)

At least two of my prior e-mail addresses made never ever spam these 
addresses lists (unlike remove lists, these are actually heeded by a 
lot of spamming vermin), so I know that this can work.

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Re: Who Owns the News

2003-03-02 Thread James A. Donald
--
On 1 Mar 2003 at 11:25, Eric Cordian wrote:
 FOX recently fired two reporters after they refused to change 
 the facts of a news story.  Fox said to them, We paid $13 
 billion for these stations, and we'll tell you what the news 
 is.

 In a unanimous decision, the 2nd District Court of Appeals 
 overturned a $425,000 jury award to another FOX reporter who 
 was fired after refusing to alter the facts of a story.  THe 
 judge ruled FOX had a right to lie, deceive, and mislead.

 MSNBC just fired Phil Donahue after a marketing report 
 outlined a nightmare scenario in which MSNBC was perceived 
 as giving a forum to anti-war sentiment while all other 
 networks were engaged in patriotic flag-waving.

You are making all this crap up.  For example Donahue was fired 
because few were watching him sneer at them.   Liberals cannot 
succeed in talk shows because they hate and despise their 
audience.  He was getting about one quarter the audience of the 
competion.   The nightmare scenario that MSNBC was so alarmed 
by was that no one was watching him vomit hatred over his 
audience.

Much the same for all your other stories

 When CNN tried to cover the Palestinian side of the Mideast 
 Conflict, Israel threatened to drop CNN and pick up FOX 
 instead.  CNN caved instantly.  All CNN copy is now required 
 to be reviewed by upper management in Atlanta before 
 broadcast, and anything that isn't pro-Israel is killed.

Funny.  Some time ago I saw some Israelis murder a Palestinian 
kid on numerous stations, Fox among them.

Channel surfing last night I saw bits of a long boring 
documentary where the camera followed various Palestinians 
around in their daily lives, depicting the distressing effect 
on the Palestinians of various Israeli collective punishments. 
Not sure what station it was on.  Terribly earnest public good 
stuff.

 Sure the press is biased, but there is plenty of stuff that is 
 very far from pro Israel, even on channels that are openly pro 
 Israel, such as Fox.

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Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Eric Cordian
Tim May wrote:

 P.S. I plan to make strong efforts to stop my new address from being 
 harvested by spammers, such as using [EMAIL PROTECTED] in 
 Usenet posts. I hope this works.

 --Tim, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm pretty sure, based on my spam volume, that spammers grep Cypherpunks
for email addresses.

So you're probably already hosed.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law



Re: Press Coverage, Snarky Media Personalities, and War

2003-03-02 Thread Eric Murray
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 01:43:58PM -0800, Eric Cordian wrote:
 Tim May wrote:
 
  P.S. I plan to make strong efforts to stop my new address from being 
  harvested by spammers, such as using [EMAIL PROTECTED] in 
  Usenet posts. I hope this works.
 
 I'm pretty sure, based on my spam volume, that spammers grep Cypherpunks
 for email addresses.

I don't think that spammers bother to subscribe to mailing lists
directly.
I think they use google to search for email addresses
on the web.  Cpunks is web archived.
/[EMAIL PROTECTED](com|net)/ is probably a great way to find
valid addresses.

 So you're probably already hosed.

I probably spend half an hour to an hour a week on
spam blocks of various sorts.  This week I blocked
3800 spams to lne.com, and foiled another thousand
SMTP name searches.  lne.com only has a few users.
That spam count doesn't count the spam that goes to cpunks, most
of which is filtered out before I see it.

It's to the point where I'm considering actively fighting back.

Eric