Re: FC: An analysis of Michigan and Colorado mini-DMCA bills
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:02:12AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: There is another side to the MPAA's super-DMCA state legislation. In addition to its impact on use of encryption, vpns, firewalls and so forth it also sets forth new non-federal restrictions on possession and used of radio receiving equipment. While some of your readership may have different perspectives on this, it appears that several of these mini=DMCA bills might well be read to ban ownership or use of Big Ugle Dish (BUD) type TVRO satellite dish setups, or at least those used for private viewing of unscrambled sports backhauls and newsfeeds as opposed to being subscribed to scrambled programming services. This private viewing has been generally legal under federal law (Satellite Viewers Rights Act), but very few of the program providers have actually given any kind of express consent for the public to watch and thus the mini-DMCA provisions requiring such consent would possibly render even possession of such dishes illegal in states where such laws are in effect. And while the argument is more stretched, it also seems that someone might argue that police scanners used to monitor public safety communications (expressly permitted under federal law) might fall under this rubric too, as the public safety agencies may not have give express consent. Under the Mass. bill this would criminalize mere possession of such radio equipment. -- Dave Emery N1PRE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 PGP fingerprint 1024D/8074C7AB 094B E58B 4F74 00C2 D8A6 B987 FB7D F8BA 8074 C7AB
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
-- On 30 Mar 2003 at 23:29, Harmon Seaver wrote: Don't know where you got this idea from, the First Papal Inquisition in 1232 was specifically for witches and sorcerers. And a bit later, in the Burning Times (1450-1700 roughly) the church burned and hanged hundreds of thousands of people, mostly women witches or alleged witches. Don't be silly The largest single witchcraft pursecutions killed a few hundred, not tens of thousands. Add them all up you are going to get something from several hundred to a few thousand See the book witches and neighbors for a realistic survey of witchcraft persecutions You are projecting modern totalitarianism back to an era when it was unknown. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG CEuYOd291bcXxoavT5ui+z/HAllVD8WvbDsHoRGf 4qVTHDgROmduCiqFYjA5IkOz8TwW84E6AOkfVC6vv
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
At 06:34 PM 3/30/2003 -0500, stuart wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well because it is a virus, and conversion was often forced upon heathens by their fellow countrymen. Interestingly though, Christianity started in the Holy Land but never got much traction there. There have been persistent rumors that one of the reasons was that it was based on some very big lies, that would be easily spotted for such at their place of origin, and so it was spread to those who had not a way to check on their verasity (communications being rather poor in those days). One story is that Christ and Barabbas (the Jew who was pardoned by Pilate) were brothers or father and son, and that Jesus chose to die in his brother's/son's place. steve
Re: S-Tools Stego makes an appearance in Law and Order-SVU
As for the how, one wonders some form of fake-stego can't be incorporated somehow into non-stego programs, such as zip/compression utilities, file-sharing and so on. For very-low-bandwidth data transfers hidden in wideband streams, we could maybe use timing of packets. Wouldn't work with more congested networks, and would need some kind of REALLY heavy-duty error correction, but could be rather difficult to spot. The signal could be transported in the intervals between the IP packets sent, or by dropping selected packets and requesting retransmissions, or by swapping the order of some packets. The world is crammed full with unused communication channels. But this is just an immediate idea and I am sick and sleepy. *cough*
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
-- On 30 Mar 2003 at 16:40, Harmon Seaver wrote: The number of women, in particular, who were murdered by the church is pretty high, not just during the initial conversion but also during the following Inquistion. You are deluded. The church murdered perhjaps a thousand or so women as witches and heretics. A typical communist regime murders a millon or so. The murder ratio between communism and Christianity is aproximately ten thousand to one. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG o6N7UezDa+3zXxelmapB/OYWKnfbdCI08XcqNCdc 4C2Ej3l3iPtkdR5kDP34fQqqiBIRVboxqQa+CWjl+
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 06:34:08PM -0500, stuart wrote: First of all, 'wicca' is some bullshit thought up by a delusional old man less than 75 years ago, the only persecution of wiccans the world has seen is when they get made fun of in high school. Don't know where you got this idea from, the First Papal Inquisition in 1232 was specifically for witches and sorcerers. And a bit later, in the Burning Times (1450-1700 roughly) the church burned and hanged hundreds of thousands of people, mostly women witches or alleged witches. But witches (wiccans) predate history and are found in most ancient cultures around the world. Second, the Romans had an incredibly difficult time in Great Britain. They managed to traverse most of England, but Ireland they barely even visited. And Scotland, well, they were so scared of us they built walls to keep us out. :) You give too much credit to the Romans. Catholicism worked so well because it is a virus, and conversion was often forced upon heathens by their fellow countrymen. Whether by the Romans or their fellow countryman matters little, it was the Roman Church just the same doing the forcing, which was the point. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
At 11:39 PM 3/30/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Very, very few religions, other than the judeo/christer/islamic, are interested in forced conversions, or even do any proselytizing at all. Nor do they usually persecute women. The entire christer theology makes persecution inevitable. Any monotheistic religion is by definition exclusive and persecutorial of others. This point is dealt with in some depth, though not exactly from this perspective, in History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium, by Paul Veyne (Editor), Philippe Aries, Arthur Goldhammer (Translator). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674399749/103-6357111-3084653?vi=glance steve
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote: [..] Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. No, I do. No you don't. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. Three problems with that:- 1. The Romans never invaded Ireland 2. The Romans which invaded mainland Britain weren't Christian (if that's what you mean by christer). They worshiped many Gods with the cult of Mithras being popular with the army. 3. Wicca is a modern invention. -- Steve -- Steve
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:25:47PM -0500, stuart wrote: [..] Apparently you know nothing of the history of Britain and Ireland. No, I do. No you don't. But of course, the problems really pre-date all that, going back to when the christer Romans came and killed off the Druids and Wiccans who wouldn't bend the knee to conversion, as they did in the rest of Europe. Three problems with that:- 1. The Romans never invaded Ireland Yes, I was mixing up the Roman church with the original Roman invasion of the Isles. The invasion of the Roman church was later, but they did, in fact, persecute the Druids and Wiccans as well. 2. The Romans which invaded mainland Britain weren't Christian (if that's what you mean by christer). They worshiped many Gods with the cult of Mithras being popular with the army. You're right, they weren't christers at that point, however they most certainly did try to eradicate the Druids: Dealing with the druids. Part of this mopping up took the form of eradicating the Druids. As a rule the Romans were very tolerant of the religions of the peoples they conquered (hurrah for the Romans!). However, the Druids represented not just a religious hierarchy, but real political and administrative authority among the Celts. And to give the Romans their due, they seem to have been genuinely horrified by what they considered the grisly and uncivilized practices of the Druids. http://www.britainexpress.com/History/Roman_invasion.htm 3. Wicca is a modern invention. Hardly. WEIK- [2]. In words connectid with magic and religious notions (in Germanic and Latin). 1. Germanic suffixed form *WIH-L- in Old English WIGLE, divination, sorcery, akin to the Germanic source of Old French GUILE, cunning trickery: GUILE. 2. Germanic expressive form *WIKK- in: a. Old English WICCA, wizard, and WICCE, witch: WITCH; b. Old English WICCIAN, to cast a spell: BEWITCH. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Ever heard of caltrops? I hear it's a new growth cottage industry. Likewise the cheap EMP devices just talked about here. I've been thinking of There are no cheap EMP devices. You'll need a high voltage capacitor bank at the very least (I would not like carry some Joules worth of it on my person), or even a flux compressor. I don't think you'd want to detonate some 5 kg of HE just to fry some electronics in some 10 m radius. building one of those for some time just to zap the loud bikes and boomboxes. The only things cheap are GPS and mobile jammers.
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
Harmon Seaver wrote: Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of those surviving christers. And what makes you think things would have been any better in the absence of Christianity?
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 10:55:46PM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Well, it looks at this point that it would have been a reasonable trade-off, given the millions who have been tortured and murdered in Europe and the Americas since the Council of Nicea in 425 by the offspring of those surviving christers. And what makes you think things would have been any better in the absence of Christianity? You've heard of the Inquistion perhaps? Or the War On Some Drugs, the modern inquisition? Very, very few religions, other than the judeo/christer/islamic, are interested in forced conversions, or even do any proselytizing at all. Nor do they usually persecute women. The entire christer theology makes persecution inevitable. Any monotheistic religion is by definition exclusive and persecutorial of others. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com We are now in America's Darkest Hour. http://www.oshkoshbygosh.org hoka hey!
Final solutions (was Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort)
At 01:34 PM 3/30/03 -0500, stuart wrote: On Sunday, March 30, 2003, Harmon Seaver came up with this... HS Too bad the Romans didn't finish the job of feeding that lot to the lions HS a couple of milleniums ago. A similarly open-minded friend once commented (far too loudly in a cafe) that exact sentiment --if you're going to invade, kill em all, or deal with centuries of violence. After realizing the clarity of this, I did come up with a softer solution. Forced reloaction interbreeding is likely to 1. destroy territorial histories and 2. eliminate strong physical and cultural differences. Move all the Irish to Palestine (give 'em plenty of sunblock), move all the Palestinians Zionists to Ireland, and have the A-type male teens school with B-type female teens. Banning (or agglomerating or replacing historic) religions is likely to help too. Encouraging the imperial persecution of a religious minority? Religions are terrorist weapons, dude.
Limits to freedom of speech (was Re: Amerikan Nazis)
Of course there are limits in regards to freedom of speech. They are as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Everything else is, of course, allowed. Yes, even yelling Anthrax in the Iraqi theater now the the war in the Afghani theater of operations has endede. :) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Anonymous wrote: Oh really? When I hear someone say there are limits to freedom of speech, I want to pick up a gun.
RE: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead
-- On 31 Mar 2003 at 10:19, Lucky Green wrote: I am currently in Europe and while I had very little time to watch TV, I indulged myself last night for a few hours. The UK stations are as worthless at the US stations: all fluffy propaganda all the time. BBC says the west is losing -- on the grounds that the most dramatic advance in history left the coalition forces over extended. Sounds to me more like Baathist propaganda than Pentagon propoganda. When a news station uses the phrase the Iraqi leadership alleges (that a US helicopter has been shot down) while the screen shows close-ups of the downed helicopter, you know that you might as well listen to the official propaganda station. It seems likely that the Iraqi leadership is recycling old pictures of a previously downed (or crashed) copter as a newly downed copter.. Indeed, this He said, she said approach, which treats US reports and Iraqi reports as equally credible, seems to me like Baathist propaganda, like anti western bias. But even just watching mainstream non-English language news in Europe it becomes pretty obvious from which corner the propaganda is emanating. When the BBC announces the west is losing, it is indeed obvious from which corner the propaganda is emanating. It seems to me you are falling into the Chomskyite fallacy If even the New York Times reports the kulaks are reasonably happy, then the truth must be utopia --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wCxnAT2PNMNcMyCXq/xgLGiZEVissgspgxkCy7sP 4+x2A1dre3+aoQBmzAT1MjDuIURilENPf6f37doJe
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
At 5:44 AM -0800 3/31/03, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:15:46AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: 3. Wicca is a modern invention. Hardly. WEIK- [2]. In words connectid with magic and religious notions (in Germanic and Latin). 1. Germanic suffixed form *WIH-L- in Old English WIGLE, divination, sorcery, akin to the Germanic source of Old French GUILE, cunning trickery: GUILE. 2. Germanic expressive form *WIKK- in: a. Old English WICCA, wizard, and WICCE, witch: WITCH; b. Old English WICCIAN, to cast a spell: BEWITCH. My ODE defines Wicche as an obsolete word meaning witch. Now, one can argue whether the modern concept of Wicca has any relation to the old northern European religions, but the word seems be based on fairly old roots. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
art can make a difference, and traffic routing games
At 01:59 PM 3/30/03 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: Any group of Pranksters willing to buy a bunch of orange traffic cones and some sawhorses and a few dozen credible-looking street construction signs could do almost as well without even a large group support group, if they got out early in the morning, and if drivers decide to collapse the waveform by ignoring all such cones and signs, there's be weeks of chaos afterwards until drivers get back in the habit of obeying. Nice persistance on that social DoS, real VX quality. Playing routing games with that kind of (rolling) traffic, that's cute. PS Bill: How did management like the news channels calling the Baghdad CO an ATT Building :-) Here's an altruistic use of roadsign spoofage: http://www.nbc4.tv/news/1448667/detail.html Artist Redesigns Freeway Sign To Help LA Drivers Caltrans Alerted By Newspaper POSTED: 10:43 a.m. PDT May 9, 2002 UPDATED: 1:26 p.m. PDT May 10, 2002 LOS ANGELES -- A frustrated artist upset over a confusing freeway sign scaled the sign and added directions. Richard Ankrom (pictured left), 46, worked on his project during the day as thousands of motorists passed. Ankrom wore a hard hat and an orange reflective vest and even cut his hair to avoid raising suspicion from transportation crews and police. The artist built and installed the directions to help motorists make a smooth transition from the Harbor Freeway to northbound Interstate 5, located near downtown. By plastering the North 5 moniker on the existing sign, Ankrom not only followed state specifications but also showed that art can make a difference. snip
Re: Skeletons at the gates
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 02:50 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Ever heard of caltrops? I hear it's a new growth cottage industry. Likewise the cheap EMP devices just talked about here. I've been thinking of There are no cheap EMP devices. You'll need a high voltage capacitor bank at the very least (I would not like carry some Joules worth of it on my person), or even a flux compressor. I don't think you'd want to detonate some 5 kg of HE just to fry some electronics in some 10 m radius. Someone attempting to disable computers in a concentrated place, e.g., a specific Wall Street or City bank, might. This was a threat model considered by Winn Schwartau some years ago. But I would figure a soft attack, exploiting security holes, would be better for various reasons than a hard attack. --Tim May
Re: Final solutions (was Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort)
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: I still think the best solution is just huge tanker planes full of LSD spraying combative groups/areas once a week. Actually, LSD was considered as an incapacitating chemical weapon. Another psychedelic, 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate, aka BZ, was even weaponized into an actual chemical munition. For more details, see http://www.mitretek.org/home.nsf/homelandsecurity/PsychoAgents Maybe it would be enough to convince the generals (or, better, force Rumsfeld) to smoke grass. Could make them more peaceful...
Re: COWed news networks not showing Baghdad market dead
James A. Donald wrote: Indeed, this He said, she said approach, which treats US reports and Iraqi reports as equally credible, seems to me like Baathist propaganda, like anti western bias. Lying is as natural to governments as breathing is to normal, healthy people. What makes you think the band of thugs and cutthroats based in Washington, D.C. is any more truthful than the band of thugs and cutthroats based in Baghdad?
