Re: Silly wiccan, tricks are for kids!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At 7:05 PM -0800 on 4/2/03, James A. Donald wrote: We also have archaelogical evidence of human sacrifice in pre roman Britain ...and in pre-roman Europe in general. Besides the druids, there were several bog-slaughter :-) cults, among them the frisians (Hettinga is frisian for 'guy who lives on a hill' :-)). Pre-christian bog-men some a thousand years old or more, have been found with their throats slit, buried in various peat bogs from the British Isles up through Denmark. An ancient norse spring equinox holiday was celebrated by hanging a male of every available species, including a human, from the branches of a tree. O Tannenbaum, indeed... Nasty, brutish, and short, and all that. When life expectancy is in the mid-to-upper 20's, life, in general, is cheap. Speaking of liberal paganism, :-), Americans and other western European cultures didn't start worshiping their children until the mid-1850's, when infant (much less maternal) mortality dropped to low enough levels that an emotional investment in childhood development was even possible. Before 1840 or so, for the children was for the birds. Of course, after 1950 or so, Rachel Carson made even birds the object of re-mystification... Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPoxX6cPxH8jf3ohaEQLN4QCfT3HwaRjYbhqnHlpzxbUYXchGmagAn1ra Tjrc2KIqYl/Zj4+IKosSZtmR =ushM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort
At 8:02 PM -0800 4/2/03, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: In other words, you can't formulate a cogent argument against this point. Ever heard of the Ten Commandments? Most of these deal with treating others well. My reading says that five commandments deal with people's relationship with god and five deal with people's relationship with each other. ... my own religious upbringing taught me to view it as a deeply shameful thing to lie, steal, strike a woman, etc. You simply couldn't do these things and still feel good about yourself. This kind of endogenous aversion to antisocial behavior is sorely lacking in post-Christian America. I somehow was brought up the same way, but without a significant religious component. Perhaps these are the ways every tribe teaches it's members to relate to one another. c.f. TRUST: Human Nature and the Reconstitution of Social Order by Francis Fukuyama for the way family replaces tribe in some societies. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism
Tim May wrote... To _this_ American, namely, me, it is apparent that Pax Americana is the goal. By my definition of rule, then, yes, America wants to rule much of the world. No, they don't want to micromanage the details. But they certainly want pliable governments that will not be _too_ democratic (as we don't want Islamists elected) and that will be cooperative with oil interests, military basing requests, etc. And now that the U.S. is the world's only hyperpower and is willing to spend the money of its citizens in vastly expensive foreign wars, it has decided to launch pre-emptive wars to ensure cooperative governments. Holy crap! I agree with this 100%. (Does this mean I'll soon be sitting by my window with a shotgun waiting for someone else's oxygen to stray onto my land?) And this recent, more obvious militant approach by Bush Co. is only the latest. As far as I can tell, we've been actively meddling in foreign governments since the early 1950s. The Turkish Parliament's clear no in allowing our troops to launch attacks from Turkish soil is an important thing to watch. Note US and media sources as saying that Turkey supports the US in our actions (obviously because a couple of Turkish leaders spat out some conciliatory agit-prop that 'we' latched onto). If they start grabbing Kurdish oilfields or making or other trouble for us, watch something happen to de-ball that parliament in one way or another. -TD From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:11:28 -0800 On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 07:05 PM, James A. Donald wrote: -- On 1 Apr 2003 at 11:48, Mike Rosing wrote: Which is why MAD works. But a regular bombing run on a few oil refineries would put the US in a world of hurt really quickly, enough for them to pull a lot of their troops out of places that happen to be too close to Russia and China. Mexico isn't entirely happy with US policy, I'm sure they could be bribed into letting the other powers use their air and land space for a limited attack. The US won't use nukes to retaliate, which was the origin of this line of argument. If Russia, Chaina and the EU really wanted to, they could use conventional weapons and force the US to at least retreat from trying to rule the world. This supposes the US is trying to rule the world, which is not apparent -- at least not to the US. What is to the US referring to? To the Bush Administration, to a majority of Congress, what? To _this_ American, namely, me, it is apparent that Pax Americana is the goal. By my definition of rule, then, yes, America wants to rule much of the world. No, they don't want to micromanage the details. But they certainly want pliable governments that will not be _too_ democratic (as we don't want Islamists elected) and that will be cooperative with oil interests, military basing requests, etc. And now that the U.S. is the world's only hyperpower and is willing to spend the money of its citizens in vastly expensive foreign wars, it has decided to launch pre-emptive wars to ensure cooperative governments. It is economic imperialism, pure and simple. Not the kind that the lefties used to complain about, the so-called economic imperialism of McDonald's and Hollywood and Nike. No, this is the real kind of economic imperialism, where gunboats and bombers are used to implement regime change when there has been no demonstrated clear and present danger from a foreign state. I see nothing in the United States Constitution that supports this interventionist, imperial policy. Certainly no libertarian should be supporting the use of national force to go and change the government of a distant country when its own people have failed to do so. --Tim May Getting to Tim May's house in Corralitos: 427 Allan Lane (MapQuest works well). 831-728-0152 From Santa Cruz, south on Highway 1. Take Freedom Boulevard exit in Aptos. Go inland, on Freedom Blvd. Travel about 5 miles, to first stop sign. Take a left on Corralitos Road. At the the next stop sign, the Corralitos Market (good sausages!) will be on your left. Just before the stop sign, bear right on Brown's Valley Road. Cross bridge and then bear left as Brown's Valley Road turns. Travel about one mile to Allan Lane, on the right. Allan Lane is at about the 360 mailbox point on Brown's Valley Road...if you go too far and enter the redwoods, turn back! Drive to top of hill on Allan Lane. At top, bear left, over a small rise, past a house on the left, then down my driveway. My house will be the white stucco semi-Spanish style, with a red Explorer and black Mercedes in the driveway. Note for parties: You can park either in my driveway or at the top of the hill and walk a few hundred feet. Don't block any driveways! From points south of Santa Cruz, take Green Valley Road exit off of Highway 1. Travel about 2 miles to Freedom Boulevard. Turn left.
Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism
Tyler Durden wrote: As far as I can tell, we've been actively meddling in foreign governments since the early 1950s. I haven't been; have you? If not, then you shouldn't use the term we. One of the mind games that state worshippers play on the populace is to get them to identify with the state -- and so emotionally defend its foreign adventures -- through the misuse of we when they really mean the government.
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
In modern times we have the names of Chinese people and cities changing as different methods of transcribing Chines to English gain favor -- Peking became Beijing, and Mao Tse Tung became Mao Zedong. Well, I disagree with the implications here. At least with Chinese names the new transliterations are MUCH closer than the old British ones. If you read 'Beijing' in english, it sounds very near to what Chinese have always called that city (the old British names were an attempt, I believe, to anglo-cize and cover-up the native culture). Likewise with Mao Zedong, though if you don't know the proper 'key' for pronouncing the pinyin transliterations (Yale is much better), then you get this one a little wrong (I think Yale would have written it Mao Dz Dong). -TD From: Kevin S. Van Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort? Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 10:12:53 -0600 Harmon Seaver wrote: Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course, Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise, English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer -- Christopher Columbus vs. Cristobal Colon. We have the Greek Odysseus, who the Romans called Ulysses, and the Greek god Zeus, who the Romans called Jupiter. In modern times we have the names of Chinese people and cities changing as different methods of transcribing Chines to English gain favor -- Peking became Beijing, and Mao Tse Tung became Mao Zedong. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
The name of Jesus, and a novel about the Knights Templars
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 10:05 AM, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
Harmon Seaver wrote:
Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's
names,
Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course,
Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise,
English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer
-- Christopher Columbus vs. Cristobal Colon.
Yes, the americans and brits are infamous for their total
ignorance and
disregard for the sensetivities of others. It's called the Ugly
American/Ugly
Brit syndrome. And it's part and parcel of why the rest of the world
hates us.
It's a wonder they haven't changed the name of the Prophet
Mohammed to Mumbo
or something equally inane. And Allah to asshole.
And then of course there were those moron christer monks who in
the 13th
century decided to create a new name for god himself, and stuck
Jehovah into
the text.
Even I, as a nonbeliever in anthing religious, know that much of your
theology is wrong.
YHWH is the Tetragrammaton. Jews (and some others) believe the name of
their god may not not be spoken. Vowels are usually left out in Semitic
languages, with sometimes placeholder consonants. In this case, various
transcriptions of YHWH come out as Yahweh, Jehova, Jehovah, etc.
The Yah part is familiat to those familiar with Rastafarians, as Ja
or Jah.
As for silly claim that no Jewish mother ever named her son Jesus,
Ken Brown and others have already dealt with how languages and
alphabets shift around. The shifts between consonants (like J and Y,
like D and T in German, and so on) are well known to all etymologists.
Here's a short description from the American Heritage Dictionary (my
favorite dictionary). Some of the diacriticals may not have survived my
cutting and pasting, but the gist is clear:
ETYMOLOGY:
Middle English, from Late Latin Isus, from Greek Isous, from Hebrew
y{, from yht{a, Joshua. See Joshua1.
What you may have been thinking of is No Jewish mother ever named her
son Christ. Christ is, of course, essentially a title, not a name.
But Jesus is a perfectly legitimate name (even if Jesus wasn't).
By the way, a fun novel with crypto scattered throughout it is the new
novel The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown. It just came out and I've been
reading it this week. The plot is that a leading symbologist (who was
also in Brown's earlier novel, Angels and Demons) is a suspect in a
murder in the Louvre. He and his cryptologist woman friend (shades of
Hollywood--necessary so that Angelina Jolie or Jennifer Garner can play
the ass-kicking cryptologist babe) find cryptic messages written by her
murdered grandfather. Uncovering the clues related to the Priory of
Sion, the Knights Templars, the Holy Grail, and the blood line of Jesus
take the reader through France, Italy, and England.
(The core of the research is pretty obvious Baigent, Leigh, and
Lincoln's Holy Blood, Holy Grail, from 20 years ago, and the names
are even used in anagram form in the novel. The Templars make for an
interesting storyHarmon will probably try to weave in some
connection with his Druids and how sweet old ladies were murdered as
Wiccans. Indeed, many Templars were liquidated in a purge, on a Friday
the 13th, no less. There is almost certainly some major history going
on that is not taught popularly.)
--Tim May
Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice.--Barry Goldwater
Re: Logging of Web Usage
Quoting Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It seems to me if you want to make serious inroads into privacy w.r.t. logging of traffic, then what you want to put your energy into is onion routing. There is _still_ no deployable free software to do it, and that is ridiculous[1]. It seems to me that this is the single biggest win we can have against all sorts of privacy invasions. This sounds like an interesting project to work on. It's hard to belive that only the DoD has played with this technology. Onion routing would seem to have a much larger impact on personal privacy on the Internet than projects like Freenet ever could. After browsing through some of the descriptions of the system, it appears to be a real-time remailer-type system for IP traffic. A client proxy will take the IP traffic, break it up into identically sized packets, and then layer encrypt them starting with the last onion router to the first. Each router along the path would decrypt its layer and then forward the packet to the next router. The part that I am worried about is the liability of running an exit router. I ran a mixmaster remailer for over six months and found out first hand the reaction of people to receiving anonymous death-threats, racial slurs, and spam. The saving grace was the opt-out list for people to refuse to receive future anonymous messages. However, with a real-time system that could encapsulate all IP traffic, this could be used for anonymous hacking. Even if you limit the exit remailer's traffic to just port 80 and actual HTTP requests, there are plenty of exploits and probes that require nothing more. Thanks to the PATRIOT act, those of us in the US can look forward to federal prosecution with possible life sentences if the wrong system is hacked through a router. When the FBI comes knocking, I doubt they will be satisifed with anonymous free speech arguments. DoD's Onion Routing research project http://www.onion-router.net/ -- Keith Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OpenPGP Key: 0x79269A12
Re: Logging of Web Usage
At 6:16 PM -0800 4/2/03, Seth David Schoen wrote: Bill Frantz writes: The http://cryptome.org/usage-logs.htm URL says: Low resolution data in most cases is intended to be sufficient for marketing analyses. It may take the form of IP addresses that have been subjected to a one way hash, to refer URLs that exclude information other than the high level domain, or temporary cookies. Note that since IPv4 addresses are 32 bits, anyone willing to dedicate a computer for a few hours can reverse a one way hash by exhaustive search. Truncating IPs seems a much more privacy friendly approach. This problem would be less acute with IPv6 addresses. I'm skeptical that it will even take a few hours; on a 1.5 GHz desktop machine, using openssl speed, I see about a million hash operations per second. (It depends slightly on which hash you choose.) This is without compiling OpenSSL with processor-specific optimizations. Ah yes, I haven't updated my timings for the new machines that are faster than my 550Mhz. :-) The only other item is importance is that the exhaustive search time isn't the time to reverse one IP, but the time to reverse all the IPs that have been recorded. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all| Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | used to be the | 16345 Englewood Ave. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | American way. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
Re: Batter Up! (Was Re: Ex-Intel VP Fights for Detainee)
First let me say that I am anti-war. Maybe it is just because I've changed from being purely a tech player to now owning Trust Laboratories, and so primarily being a businessman, but I see things slightly differently from the WSJ. http://online.wsj.com/article_print/0,,SB1049616100,00.html excerpts Of course, the largest benefit -- a more stable Mideast -- is huge but unquantifiable. A second plus, lower oil prices, is somewhat more measurable. (Oil prices fell again yesterday on the prospect of victory.) The premium on 11.5 million barrels imported every day by the U.S. is a transfer from us to producing countries. Postwar, with Iraqi production back in the pipeline and calmer markets, oil prices will fall even further. If they drop to an average in the low $20s, the U.S. economy will get a boost of $55 billion to $60 billion a year. I don't think the stable Mideast is the largest benefit. The largest benefit comes from having a US-friendly government in the Mideast. This has several benefits the most important of which are; it provides a stable center of power for the US in the Mideast, and provides the US with priority oil. The center of power is not currently important, but with the growing disruption that the Israel-Palestine problem presents I have a strong suspicion that military force in the middle east will become increasingly necessary. The foundation for this is rather simple to find, it was bin Laden himself that said something like until the people of Palestine know safety, the US will not. To counter this we need only have a friendly country in the middle east where we can temporarily position our armaments, this will vastly reduce the cost of troop movement the next time our presence will be felt. The priority oil is not a current problem but with the world oil supply quickly becoming depleted (some estimates put us at only 30 years left) the availability of a conisistent oil supply can be economically justified rather easily. Not that this will make much difference for your average person, but military purposes of oil are many. Militarily, these end benefits are enormous. The interim general populous benfits are substantial as well, but I don't feel they are as impactual. Already the general populous is beginning to see hybrid cars, fuel-cell cars are only a few-years away, and at least GM and BMW are experimenting with internal-combustion hydrogen engines (a few years ago BMW had running experimental 7 series that used internal combustion hydrogen that travelled parts of Europe). With these advances the general usage of oil is likely to diminish over the next couple decades spurred on by the vastly increasing cost of purchasing gasoline. There will of course be the necessary, temporary, dip in oil pricing as the Iraqi oil fields are pushed into higher production. Over time though this dip will mysteriously disappear, blamed on market forces if anyone actually notices. But perhaps the best way to look at the economics of the war has been suggested by John Cogan. The Hoover Institution economist says the war is an investment. The proper question then becomes what resources are we willing to invest to achieve peace and stability, and a diminished threat from terrorism and terrorist-supporting states. At 1% of GDP, the war looks like a bargain. I very much agree with John Cogan, this war is an investment. I disagree though with the WSJ conclusion that this is an investment in the stability of the Middle East/ending Iraqi containment. Instead I believe that this is an investment in US stability, and military ability. As such it will pay off enormously, but I believe the costs to be far in excess of helping the middle east address the Israel problem in a diplomatic way which would cost less, undermine much of the terrorist actions, make the US look like more of a beneficial monopoly, and certainly put us in better favor throughout the Middle East. Before anyone feels free to jump on me about this, I would like to remind everyone that I am anti-war. I believe that war should only be used in situations where it is truly unavoidable. Joe Trust Laboratories http://www.trustlaboratories.com
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 10:12:53AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Harmon Seaver wrote: Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course, Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise, English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer -- Christopher Columbus vs. Cristobal Colon. Yes, the americans and brits are infamous for their total ignorance and disregard for the sensetivities of others. It's called the Ugly American/Ugly Brit syndrome. And it's part and parcel of why the rest of the world hates us. It's a wonder they haven't changed the name of the Prophet Mohammed to Mumbo or something equally inane. And Allah to asshole. And then of course there were those moron christer monks who in the 13th century decided to create a new name for god himself, and stuck Jehovah into the text. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
Harmon Seaver wrote: Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, Ever hear of King Ferdinand of Spain? His real name was, of course, Fernando -- Ferdinand is merely the English equivalent. Likewise, English and Spanish speakers use different names for the same explorer -- Christopher Columbus vs. Cristobal Colon. We have the Greek Odysseus, who the Romans called Ulysses, and the Greek god Zeus, who the Romans called Jupiter. In modern times we have the names of Chinese people and cities changing as different methods of transcribing Chines to English gain favor -- Peking became Beijing, and Mao Tse Tung became Mao Zedong.
Re: Batter Up! (Was Re: Ex-Intel VP Fights for Detainee)
Joseph Ashwood wrote: The priority oil is not a current problem but with the world oil supply quickly becoming depleted (some estimates put us at only 30 years left) Which is what they were saying 30 years ago...
Operation Iraqi Liberation = OIL
On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: At 11:54 AM -0800 4/3/03, Tim May wrote: If my neighbor wishes to contribute to the Ruwandans or the Iraqi Liberation Front, he is welcome to. Operation Iraqi Liberation has a better acronym. Good one! I'm surprised OIL has not been picked-up on by the press. (Maybe they have, but I haven't seen it. I may Google the news for this...) --Tim May Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. --Robert A. Heinlein
Batter Up! (Was Re: Ex-Intel VP Fights for Detainee)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, I know, I know. I really should just leave him alone, but he really makes it too easy sometimes, folks. Hettinga comes to the plate. His first at-bat against the Salty Santa Cruz Banana Slugs tonight, lifetime average against them of .314... Here's wind up... and the pitch... At 10:21 AM -0800 on 4/3/03, Tim May wrote: It's obvious that we are deeply into police state status. Thousands held without charges, without trial. Threats to take citizens inside our country and subject them to military courts. Libraries ordered to turn over names of patrons reading thoughtcrime books. Private companies like Google and credit card companies willingly bending over for Big Brother. And you're surprised because why? This is a nation-state at war, after all. They kill people and steal things, right? To paraphrase Gibson, they eat information, and other people's money, and shit violence. And our nation-state is the best at it in the history of the world, right? Perilous times. What, you didn't notice we're at war? See above. 3000 people died already. Expect 100 times that in revenge; in actual violent totalitarians, not just their tended sheep. Sounds fair. Besides, *never* separate an angry parasite from its host. As you've noticed, it doesn't even require much thought; it's positively reflexive. Sorta like those cats who attack burglars by clawing their faces off. If the host is laying on the floor with a bump on his head, who's gonna run the can-opener, right? I doubt the U.S. is salvageable at this point. I expect otherwise. It'll go on as long as it's profitable to do so, and it's going to be very profitable. See the WSJ this morning, below, for instance. Cut a brain from a shark, it still swims. In such a world, it's better to have a bigger shark than anyone else, I recon... I mean, come on, they're busy renaming Saddam Hussein Airport as we speak. (I'd go for Barbara Bush International Airport myself, but I hear they're going to name a highway for her instead. :-). You could always tell she wore the pants in that family...) Iraqi citizens, especially the Wahabbi ones, are cheering our arrival into the outskirts of Baghdad. Some Ayatolla has issued an actual fatwa saying not to interfere with coalition forces. So much for the Arab Street. Marine units have actually had to stop their advance just to accept all the surrendering troops. So much for the Elite Republican Guard. As for the house-to-house Stalingrad on the Tigris nonsense, those evil Israelis seem to have that shit figured out, so we do it their way. See below. Why use the street and get shot at, when you can blow your way through building walls instead. Kewl. Knew all that money to Tel Aviv was worth something... Absent some kind of technological change in the economics of force markets -- which I'd still bet on happening peacefully sooner or later, or I wouldn't be on this list watching people rend their clothing in such despair -- what you see is what you get. At the moment, USA is the best force monopoly in the history of the business. We allocate the lowest fraction of GDP to capable force since people invented weaponry. So, Kewl. Let's pave over a totalitarian pseudo-theocracy or two, or better, like Iran, and probably even North Korea, just give them a small shove and watch their own people take out such fragile and inefficient market-parasites. There has only been one reason for the existence of a nation state: to confiscate, by force, the maximum amount of revenue from its citizenry. They are most dangerous when some *external* enemy threatens their cash flow, and that has happened, now. I'd include France and Turkey in that, :-), but they're already having second thoughts about shooting their mouths off, so a good-old-fashioned Texas ass-whoopin' is probably not in the cards, no matter how much fun it would be to watch in, say, West Virginia. No shove required, even. Just a dirty look, and here they come, tail between their legs, whimpering for another handout. So much for the opinion of the global community. In the meantime, domestic pissant whiners, right, left, and up on the Nolan chart, will be left in place to prove what nice guys the state really is. Think of it as ideological welfare. Even swarthy kneeling geomancers who crap into a hole in the floor will probably be left alone, even if some of them do end up spending time wearing orange and getting three hots and a cot courtesy of their new Great White Daddy. Besides, the chance of anyone actually bestirring themselves out of their Ultimate Recliners up in Farnham's Freehold, CA, to smash the state themselves, much less to fuck it dead, is asymptotically minuscule, and no amount of ominous predictive whinging the equivalent of will someone rid me of this priest therefrom about the nation's capital and other points east of the Mississippi is going to inspire anyone else to do it for them
Re: Logging of Web Usage
Could this not use most of the code from the Onion Router itself. I am assuming that the code was made freely available and someone has a copy if it? -- roop On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Ben Laurie wrote: Ben. [1] FWIW, I'd be willing to work on that, but not on my own (unless someone wants to keep me in the style to which I am accustomed, that is).
RE: The name of Jesus, and a novel about the Knights Templars
By the way, a fun novel with crypto scattered throughout it is the new novel The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown. It just came out and [...] murdered grandfather. Uncovering the clues related to the Priory of Sion, the Knights Templars, the Holy Grail, and the blood line of Jesus take the reader through France, Italy, and England. Sounds a lot like Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. I found that a really fun read. The main plot is based on a centuries old conspiracy by templars and the like, and the YHWH based reordering of the name of God is central to part of the book. Looks like someone's trying to get money easily :) Unless it's the same book and the publisher decided it would sell better with an anglo saxon name on it ? :) -- Vincent Penquerc'h
Re: 'Peking' vs 'Beijing'
On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Vincent Penquerc'h wrote: And of course, Beijing is no harder to say that Peking, Actually it is, there are -four- ways to say 'Beijing' and only two ways to say Peking. It hinges on the hard or softness of the 'j' in Beijing and the first 'e' in both words (which is where the extra 'i' in Beijing came from). Is it a 'j' or a 'g' sound? The native pronunciation of Beijing for example is a hard j sound like in 'jewel'. Most westerners pronounce it with a soft j. About that bit, I remember, some years ago (or maybe even tens of years, I seem to tend to remember various stuff happening later than they actually did), the official transcription of chinese has been changed, leading to some name changes. Peiping had nothing to do with transliteration but a change in regime. However, a Google search yields nothing, so this may be just my imagination going a bit too overboard ?? Wade-Giles was replaced by Pinyin. The entire Peking/Beijing pronunciation is people reading the original transliteration (e.g. j in a -lot- of transliteration systems means both a 'j' sound and a 'y' sound, Russki is a good example of the 'y' sound usage) using their native pronunciation instead of the correct transliteration sounds. The same sort of thing has happened several times with the ideograms as well. Over the last few decades the Chinese have made a concerted effort to 'modernize' their language with respect to both transliteration (ala Pinyin) and ideograms (ala 'Modern Chinese'). It's reached a point where many native (and well versed foreign) Chinese can read one or the other but not both fluently. Taiwan and the PRC have also developed different ideograms for the same meaning, and the same ideogram for different meanings. The Chinese language has been and continues to be going through a major transformation (another historic one is the move from a focus on single ideograms to using two ideograms as the standard). -- We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, Plan 9 from Outer Space [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org
Re: Trials for those undermining the war effort?
Harmon Seaver wrote: Translate/transliterate is irrelevant -- you don't change people's names, you especially don't change the name of the god. This was a Jewish religion, after all, and as I mentioned before, the Old Testament is simply awash with praises for the *name*. The whole name thing became so utterly important to the Jews that they wouldn't even say it aloud less they mispronounce it. So if Rabbi Yeshua was god incarnate or the son of god, it's the same thing. This is *so* off-topic and others have replied sensibly, but you really, really, do miss the point about transliterations, that is writing languages in different scripts. Alphabets don't usually map onto each other 1:1. Each version of the alphabet has some symbols that represent more than one sound, or sounds represented by more than one symbol. No alphabet codes for all sounds used in human language, and each alphabet misses out different sounds. It is *impossible* to take something written in the Hebrew alphabet and write it down accurately in the English alphabet, and vice versa. There are sounds coded for in each alphabet that are not coded for in the other. No-one was trying to change anyone's name. Hebrew words, place names, people's names, were written in the Hebrew alphabet, but read by people who spoke Aramaic and pronounced the letters differently. Then they were written down in Greek, which lacks some consonants, but adds vowels. No possible Greek version of any word could have been exactly the same as the Hebrew. Then they were written into Latin, and copied from Latin into English - and that over a thousand years ago, since then our pronounciation has changed. It is like the game of Chinese whispers, at each stage a different noise is introduced into the signal. Yeshua is probably a better English rendition than Jesus because it has only been through one stage transliteration, not 4 or 5, but it is still, inevitably, inaccurate. Also of course we don't actually know exactly how words were pronounced in those days, its all reconstruction about which scholars differ. And it seems that many people in Palestine in those days had a Hebrew name and a Greek name, just as many Africans these days have a name in their own language and one in English or French, so the Greek version of one of the names might well represent how it was spoken better than the Hebrew, at least some of the time. In fact one approach to trying to work out how people in Palestine actually spoke in Roman times is to look at the Greek spellings of words and assume that Greek writers wrote down the words as they were then spoken - Hebrew spelling had been fossilised for centuries and probably did not represent the actual sounds used very accurately at all, and anyway most people spoke Aramaic which was then a just-about-mutually-intelligible sister language of Hebrew There need be no intent to change people's names. It is impossible to avoid. Maybe this isn't all that off-topic. It is hard to imagine how anyone who failed to see the real problems inherent in transliterating between different codes could have much of a grasp of software or cryptography.
Re: Operation Iraqi Liberation = OIL
If my neighbor wishes to contribute to the Ruwandans or the Iraqi Liberation Front, he is welcome to. Operation Iraqi Liberation has a better acronym. Good one! I'm surprised OIL has not been picked-up on by the press. In all honesty, I picked this up from a NPR story on humor during Iraq-2. I think it is from one of the mainstream TV comics (who said it was rejected as the official name because of the acronym). Leno, I think. (Might have been Jon Stewart, who's on just before Leno, but I mainly remember the joke, not the teller :-)
Re: Logging of Web Usage
Bill Frantz wrote: At 6:16 PM -0800 4/2/03, Seth David Schoen wrote: Bill Frantz writes: The http://cryptome.org/usage-logs.htm URL says: Low resolution data in most cases is intended to be sufficient for marketing analyses. It may take the form of IP addresses that have been subjected to a one way hash, to refer URLs that exclude information other than the high level domain, or temporary cookies. Note that since IPv4 addresses are 32 bits, anyone willing to dedicate a computer for a few hours can reverse a one way hash by exhaustive search. Truncating IPs seems a much more privacy friendly approach. This problem would be less acute with IPv6 addresses. I'm skeptical that it will even take a few hours; on a 1.5 GHz desktop machine, using openssl speed, I see about a million hash operations per second. (It depends slightly on which hash you choose.) This is without compiling OpenSSL with processor-specific optimizations. Ah yes, I haven't updated my timings for the new machines that are faster than my 550Mhz. :-) The only other item is importance is that the exhaustive search time isn't the time to reverse one IP, but the time to reverse all the IPs that have been recorded. You only need to build the dictionary once. Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Ricin
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Re: Ricin
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Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism
At 09:56 AM 4/4/03 -0800, James A. Donald wrote: If it was economic imperialism, they would have done Saudi arabia. Lots of stuff connnecting Saudi Arabia to the twin towers. All your Saudis are belong to us. And we much prefer Saudi puppets to IslamoFundies. Problem is, of course, that it bugs some performance artists that we own the place, ergo 9/11 (tm). If it was holy war, in accordance Ann Coulter's program invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity, it would have been Sudan. George didn't know where that was on the map. It was Iraq. Therefore ideological warfare, not economic imperialism. Means, motive, opportunity. --- Beware foreign entanglements -G. Washington
Re: Foreign adventures and economic imperialism
-- On 2 Apr 2003 at 20:11, Tim May wrote: It is economic imperialism, pure and simple. Obviously, after they failed to find Bin Laden or his corpse, they needed to rip a new asshole in some unfortunate arab regime. If it was economic imperialism, they would have done Saudi arabia. Lots of stuff connnecting Saudi Arabia to the twin towers. If it was holy war, in accordance Ann Coulter's program invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity, it would have been Sudan. It was Iraq. Therefore ideological warfare, not economic imperialism. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 6m8Zy521rRepAVrb3dETgXNWt9NDAvaYuajSTF57 46THZypxYrrH7t2ctOrqdaFckSJzgnUviQzp4u4i0
Re: Operation Iraqi Liberation = OIL
Should add We are at War for Operation Iraqi Liberation or War for OIL for short. In similar vein, The Motion Picture Ass. of America and The Recording Industry Ass. of America works very well. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :and didn't stop 9-11|share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Thu, 3 Apr 2003, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 12:56 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: At 11:54 AM -0800 4/3/03, Tim May wrote: If my neighbor wishes to contribute to the Ruwandans or the Iraqi Liberation Front, he is welcome to. Operation Iraqi Liberation has a better acronym. Good one! I'm surprised OIL has not been picked-up on by the press. (Maybe they have, but I haven't seen it. I may Google the news for this...) --Tim May Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal crime; the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity. --Robert A. Heinlein
Re: The name of Jesus, and a novel about the Knights Templars
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:49:08PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 11:22:09AM -0800, Tim May wrote: YHWH is the Tetragrammaton. Jews (and some others) believe the name of their god may not not be spoken. Vowels are usually left out in Semitic languages, with sometimes placeholder consonants. In this case, various transcriptions of YHWH come out as Yahweh, Jehova, Jehovah, etc. Correct, except for the Jehovah part. The use of jehovah has been entirely refuted by pretty much all bible scholars and the only translation you'll find it in is, IIRC, the King James. Jehovah's Witnesses still use it, of course, but.. Nonsense. Do a Google search. It shows up in many texts, for many flavors of religion. Many Bible texts? Care to tell us which ones? I don't really need to do much of a google since I've got hardcopies of all the mainstream bibles sitting here on the shelf, plus concordances. But just for instance: American Standard Version did have it, however, the New American Standard doesn't. King James had it in 4 verses, but none in the New King James. New International Version doesn't have it. The NIV is the favorite of most fundys. Revised Standard Version doesn't have it, nor does the New Revised Standard. The RSV is considered by almost any biblical scholar to be the hands-down best translation. Douay-Rheims doesn't. New American Bible, mostly used by Catholics, doesn't Hebrew Names Version of World English Bible doesn't have it. There are a couple fo the more recent colloquial translations that have it, but those aren't well thought of by *any* scholars. In short, there are almost no bible translations at all that use the name jehovah. The theory that the vowels were some of the ones in the Greek name for Lord is just one of several theories. Inasmuch as there are several main vowel sounds, nearly any attempt to speak YHWH out loud is going to lead to some sound that is a variant of Yah-way or Ya-ho-way or Ya-ho-vah, given the usual Y/J and V/W and suchlike shifts. The Yah part is familiat to those familiar with Rastafarians, as Ja or Jah. Well, sort of -- but actually for them Jah is just the shortened version of Jah Ras Tafari, meaning Haile Selassie, Emperor of Ethopia, direct descendant of the King David. Again, nonsense. I said Jah is another variant of the name of their god, and this is exactly what Jah Ras Tafari contains. And the word Jah pre-dated that Ethiopian politician by thousands of years. To claim that the Jah in a name applied mid-20th century is part of the shortened version of Jah Ras Tafari is silly. Get a clue, Harmon. I have plenty of clues. I think you either need a new set of glasses or else to put down that glass pipe if you have read *anything* at all about Rastafarianism and don't understand that Jah is Haile Selassie. He *is* their god. Yes, the name Yah or Jah predates them, but their use of it isn't even remotely debatable. Learn to read, Tim. None of the variant spellings of Jesus had _anything_ to do with the name of the god (in terms of the jewish thing you cite). The Jews did not confuse Joshua/Yeshua/Iosus/Jesus/whatever with their desert vengeance god YHWH. Neither should you. The mainstream Jews of course did not, however, the jewish followers of him most certainly did, and he very clearly said that he and YHWH were one and the same. Or at least so we read in the New Testament. Again, learn to read, Tim, this is another point that isn't at all debatable. See John 10:30 The Father and I are one. but that's not the only place. And just that alone was enough to get him killed. Oh, that reminds me -- another thing that the christers got wrong -- the cross. There was none. The Romans, at least of that period, didn't crucify anyone. The impaled them, essentially a stout post set into the ground with the top end wittled to a fine point, which went up the ass of the victim. But of course, that wouldn't look to great on the alter, would it? You're letting your mystical/Wiccan/pagan superstitious drivel interfere with scholarship. I think I said before that I was only mildly interested in wicca. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
all your base are a terrorist threat
Some kids put up all your base are belong to us flyers in Missouri and the police arrested them for being terrorists. http://sturgisjournal.com/display/inn_news/news1.txt
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
At 10:58 PM 4/3/03 +1200, Peter Gutmann wrote: .. The Wall of Stalin: Detonate a string of dirty nukes along the Iraqi border with Kuwait/Saudi Arabia. Suddenly Dubya decides there are much better places to play soldiers, he'll look at the Iraqi thing again in 6,000 years or so. This only works if your attackers have to use the land route. Bombing and airlifting troops lets you leap right over the barrier. For that matter, I'll bet troops in modern tanks and APCs wouldn't be exposed to too much radiation in a dash across even a really dangerously radioactive zone. (Though I suppose if you're smart, you set up mines and barriers in the radioactive zone, and artillery and fortifications on its inside edge, with the goal of forcing your invaders to spend as much time as possible out there. But maintaining your fortifications inside the zone will be a serious pain!) I've heard that people driving through the area contaminated by Chernobyl are just told to roll up the windows and drive fast, but I don't know if that's true, or how much good it does you. (And there's a big difference between an acceptable level of risk to soldiers in a war, and an acceptable risk to random civilians in peacetime.) Peter. --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Chomsky: Iraq is a trial run
Tyler Durden wrote: This should be seen as a trial run. Iraq is seen as an extremely easy and totally defenceless target. I beg to differ. Haiti and Yugoslavia were the trial runs; but since they happened under a Democratic president, the left didn't make a fuss.
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
Neil Johnson wrote: When your choice is 1) sending THOUSANDS of troops to their death trying invade the Japanese home islands or 2) Trying out two new, not fully reliable, not fully understood weapons that, however, if they work, will save you from doing 1). I think I know what my ethical choice a the time would have been. But there was another choice: 3) Accept a conditional surrender from the Japanese. Unfortunately, like Roosevelt before him, Truman insisted on unconditional surrender as the only thing he would accept. The Japanese were trying to negotiate a surrender, but wished to ensure that their emperor would retain his title as head of state (even if he had little actual power). Truman insisted there be no conditions whatsoever, and killed hundreds of thousands of noncombatants to get his way. The real irony is that the U.S. ended up granting the desired condition afterwards anyway.
Re: U.S. Drops 'E-Bomb' On Iraqi TV
At 01:20 PM 4/3/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: .. [Discussing uses for the bomb that don't involve killing millions of civilians.] Or pumping of one-shot gamma lasers. (What you want to use them for is on you, though.) Weren't there some proposals for using very low-fallout bombs to break up dangerous hurricanes that were forming? (I just don't have the background in meteorology to have any intuition about whether or not this is plausible; I know hurricanes have a whole lot of energy tied up in temperature and humidity differences in different masses of air, so maybe it could work.) A lot of these struck me as desparate attempts by the bomb designers to find *something* useful to do with the damned things besides pray that they sit in their silos, rusting, and are never, never used. I guess the other side of this is maximally evil uses of bombs. Imagine someone setting up a set of fallout-enhanced bombs in their own country, with the warning that if anyone invades them, millions of people downwind will be dying of cancer in the next decade or two. Or someone trying to use current climate models to allow them to threaten a global catastrophe if they're crossed--like trying to screw up ocean currents, or setting off a bomb in the calthrate beds under the ocean to try to trigger runaway global warming. (The big problem there is that if the best available models change enough over time, as they are subject to do, your deterrent might lose all its value very quickly. And yes, I stole this idea from John Barnes.) MANY more uses. Yep. Though honestly, I think fissionables are a lot more valuable when you're using them to generate power in a mass-efficient way (e.g., bring plenty to Mars with you, so you can distill out CO2 from the atmosphere and crack out the oxygen with power from your reactor). Most of the time when you're not trying to blow something to bits, you really get more value out of continuous power output for a long time. At least, you do if you don't have to compete with cheaply available natural gas or oil, and if you don't have to comply with insanely expensive and complex regulations. --John Kelsey, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Request
Sorry if this is a bit OT, but I got this from a (reasonably serious afaik) UK Sunday reporter and don't know much about the subject. Anyone like to help him? I am researching a piece on the ways in which Gulf War 2 is being fought in the digital theatre, and would very much like to get a brief telephone interview with someone from your organisation to discuss this subject. Reply offlist please. He'll call you, or whatever you like as far as anonymity goes. -- Peter Fairbrother
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Re: All your base are terrorists
On Fri, Apr 04, 2003 at 06:57:50PM -0600, Roy M.Silvernail wrote: On Friday 04 April 2003 03:54 pm, Eric spake: Some kids put up all your base are belong to us flyers in Missouri and the police arrested them for being terrorists. http://sturgisjournal.com/display/inn_news/news1.txt That's an ephemeral URL. But a quick search of their archive produced no hits. Got a better link? It's still there for me. Here's the text for the browsing-impaired: Signs land seven in court By CLIFFORD JEFFERY STURGIS JOURNAL What started as an April Fool's joke involving bad grammar landed seven people in jail Tuesday. Sturgis police arrested seven Sturgis men for placing more than 20 threatening letters on various businesses, schools, banks and at the post office. At least 12 signs were posted Monday morning. Another 20 were put up Tuesday evening, according to Sturgis police. The letters all read All your base are belong to us and you have no chance to survive, make your time. Information about the letters was forwarded to the FBI and U.S. postal authorities, said Sturgis police Chief Eugene Alli. This is no joking matter, he said. During a time of war and with the present concern for homeland security, terrorist acts will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The All your base are belong to us are lines said by Cats, a bad guy in a 1989 Japanese video game. The poor translation to English led to its use by many involved in the video game culture. According to the All your base are belong to us Web site, a voiceover of the Zero Wing video game introduction, including the poorly translated line, was put to music and sung by a Wayne Newton impersonator. Stories about the phrase have appeared in Time, USA Today, The Los Angeles Times and Wired. The phrase is printed on T-shirts and bumper stickers. But police were not in on the joke. Officer Damon Knapp witnessed three people placing the signs on a downtown business. By early this morning, police had arrested seven men, charging them with disorderly conduct. Robert McNew, 20, Carl McNew, 19, John Wolf, 20, William Caldwell, 17, Dustin Garn, 19, Kirk Vezeau, 20, and Kyle Woodward, 18, were all released after posting bond.
