Re: War ain't beanbag....What the F*ck?
Justin wrote... I haven't lived in China, but my impression of the country leads me to believe otherwise. If it's not *quite* socialist, it's fascist. As above, this doesn't seem right. Hong Kong might be a major capitalist center of operations, but Hong Kong is not really China, socioeconomically speaking. Mainland China is already a capitalist giant. It's also arguably fascist, at least from an American's point of view. But if you don't f*ck with politicians, you can cut almost whatever deal you want. Start criticisizng Zhong Non Hai and your eyeballs will end up giving sight to some aging businessman or party bigshot (which basically means an aging businessman these days). A majority screwing up a country is not letting them figure things out on their own. Maybe we should have let the Japanese figure things out by themselves once they surrendered? Germany? No funds to rebuild France. Oh, I want to live in *that* world, where we may not have won the cold war. Well, there's a difference here. It's one thing to rebuild a country after we've gone to war with them, but messing with a country's internal politics and destabilising their local governments is a different story. And indeed, none of the countries where we've performed such duties (with our help from our friends in the SOAs) currently have a particularly stable economy, though Argentina is finally showing some dim hope. -TD _ Getting married? Find great tips, tools and the latest trends at MSN Life Events. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married
(fwd) The Merits in Newdow
Christ. The U.S. is now officially a Christian nation. - Forwarded message from Marty Lederman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:56:31 -0400 To: Conlawprof List; Law Religion issues for Law Academics List Subject: The Merits in Newdow The collection of concurrences on the merits are quite interesting. The Chief's opinion adopts the SG's argument -- darn-near-preposterous, IMHO (and that of Justice Thomas!) -- that the Pledge is OK in schools because under God is not endorsement of any religion, but instead a simple recognition of the fact [that] '[f]rom the time of our earliest history our peoples and our institutions have reflected the traditional concept that our Nation was founded on a fundamental belief in God.' Justice O'Connor joins the Chief's opinion, but writes separately to suggest that the Pledge in schools is ok only because of a confluence of four factors that will virtually never again appear in combination in any other case. This result derives directly from pages 24-29 of the amicus brief that Doug Laycock wrote: http://goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/newdow.laycock.pdf. Justice Thomas concludes -- correctly, in my view, see http://www.goldsteinhowe.com/blog/files/Newdow%20Final%20Brief.pdf -- that if Lee v. Weisman was correctly decided, then public schools may not lead students in daily recitation of the words under God. Thomas, however, would overrule Lee. http://supct.law.cornell.edu:8080/supct/html/02-1624.ZS.html - End forwarded message -
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: I can't stop laughing. *This* is why the west will win. They post their plans, in the clear. It may be also a very cheap method of attack. Don't spend any money on material nor people; just send out an attack documentation in the clear and watch the adversary jumping around, wasting their resources, and getting their morale worn out a little bit more with every further false alarm.
[osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
I can't stop laughing. *This* is why the west will win. They post their plans, in the clear. Cheers, RAH Of course, various idiots out there will call this a reason to censor the internet... --- begin forwarded text To: From: Tefft, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mailing-List: list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:05:17 -0400 Subject: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/ 1 June 2004 - U.K. armed services raise threat level to severe According to a report by Air Security, U.K. armed services officials raised the threat level for U.K. military installations to severe after receiving intelligence that terrorists with links to al-Qaeda are planning to stage suicide truck bomb attacks against a U.K. military base within the next two months. Military officials stated that terrorists are planning to drive a truck packed with explosives into military headquarters. The intelligence indicated London is a particular target, as are upcoming D-Day celebrations. 1 June 2004 - Assassination Plans Found On Internet ASSASINATION PLANS AGAINST SAUDI ARABIA'S MINISTER OF THE INTERIOR Prince Nayif Bin-Abd-al-Aziz were discovered by Northeast Intelligence Network analysts and submitted to the appropriate authorities. As first reported on The Roth Show, a syndicated radio program based in Spokane, Washington, the highly detailed plans are calling for the operation to take place this Friday, June 4, 2004 using rocket propelled grenades while the Prince is in transit. The plans, authored by Abu Hajar Abdel Aziz al-Moqrin, the leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia and the man who claimed responsibility for the attack on the residential complex in Saudi Arabia last Saturday, outlined Prince Nayif's itinerary, manner and route of travel, personal security, and planned method of attack using rocket propelled grenades. The detailed plans were found in Issue 11 of Camp al Battar, a well known military-style training manual referenced by terrorists and published regularly on an elusive Internet forum. The translated communication can be found at www.homelandsecurityus.com in addition to the audio statement of Abu Hajar Abdel Aziz al-Moqrin claiming responsibility for the attack at APICORP in Khobar, Saudi Arabia. Translated from Arabic: The target: Nayef Bin Abdul Aziz. He will attend a reception of external security personel in a secret visit of the queen at King Khaled International Airport. Specification of the target: Nayef Bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud . Personal information: Name: Nayef Bin Abd Al-Aziz Al Saud . Age: 71 years born in 1933. Position: the Saudi Minister of Interior. Residence address: the Gardens - several palaces (the present palace in Arqa, also the Mother's palace, and several other palaces that he frequents). Daily routine: He goes to sleep shortly before dawn, and goes to the ministry some days at 7 o'clock at night until eight thirty, resting in the evenings, and attending parties, and private meetings. Number of guards: 8 persons Typed of armament: light . The guards can be targeted as they descend from the care; they are near but not too close. The movement of the procession: it blocks off the roads, and they drive the target car in the midst of the procession with similar cars possibly to provide a camouflage procession. The guarding crew breaks up any surveillance. The guarding crew varies the route at times.. The number of guarding cars in the procession: (not less than ten cars and their job is to opened the highway). The first car, with the oscillation light, then the cars for personal protection, then the cars in which the targets are found which are probably similar in color and model and without numbers or with similar numbers to the protection cars, then the patrol cars that close the procession. Sometimes there is a smaller procession without the target that moves in side streets. The target changes its car. Mostly uses the same car, which is not easy to approach since the highways are closed. Route information: From Arqa palace to the airport, 40 kilos. Route Description: From Arqa, take the western circular, then the northern circular, then the airport highway, with the probability of moving onto other roads: (Arqa - Khris highway, Jabber Alsabah's highway, the northern circular, the airport highway). (Arqa - Ad Dir Iyah, Alamaria parting, then move in an easterly direction and return to the specialize route to the airport highway ). Schedule The time of departure for the reception: on 15 / 4 / 1425 AH The departure time: at six at night . The arrival time: 25 minutes after 6 . The side streets: many sides streets come from the circular exits ( 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 ) and from them (the western gates of King Saud
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
Remember too that terrorism is really a form of PR, rather than (in most cases) an actual destruction of infrastructure or whatnot. Smart terrorists will obviously leverage any channel available to cause a population to view their world as unstable. Also remember too that plans such as this may be fishing...in other words, communications in the hope that somebody out there (not directly known to the issuer of the communique) will take the info and work out his own plans for attacking the target. I'm sure our boys at the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called now) use these mthods all the time. In fact, they're probably the ones who taught the Mujahadin (and bin Laden) a lot of these techniques. -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:05:53 -0400 At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: It may be also a very cheap method of attack. True enough. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
At 6:12 PM -0400 6/14/04, Sunder wrote: Or it could just be agitprop meant to raise the theat level back up a notch, or provide more funding to the surveillance kitty. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: It may be also a very cheap method of attack. True enough. I usually apply occam's razor to these things, but, around here, that's cheating... :-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: It may be also a very cheap method of attack. True enough. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
Or it could just be agitprop meant to raise the theat level back up a notch, or provide more funding to the surveillance kitty. On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: It may be also a very cheap method of attack. True enough.
Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Remember too that terrorism is really a form of PR, rather than (in most cases) an actual destruction of infrastructure or whatnot. Smart terrorists will obviously leverage any channel available to cause a population to view their world as unstable. Also remember too that plans such as this may be fishing...in other words, communications in the hope that somebody out there (not directly known to the issuer of the communique) will take the info and work out his own plans for attacking the target. I'm sure our boys at the School of the Americas (or whatever it's called now) use these mthods all the time. In fact, they're probably the ones who taught the Mujahadin (and bin Laden) a lot of these techniques. Also don't forget that by telling people where you plan to attack, you get them to spend a bunch of money that they would not have already spent. Give them enough targets and they will be chasing shadows all over the place. When they have done this enough, the oposition will not know what to believe. A mind-fuck is a terrible thing to waste. -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [osint] Assassination Plans Found On Internet Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:05:53 -0400 At 10:45 PM +0200 6/14/04, Thomas Shaddack wrote: It may be also a very cheap method of attack. True enough. Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
