Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

2004-10-29 Thread R.A. Hettinga
For the most part, I'm going to answer this (mostly) seriously, though I
expect it wasn't asked in the same fashion.

At 9:17 PM -0700 10/28/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Is this geodesic neo-conservativism?   Where can I start
bearer-document goose-stepping?

Impedance mismatch. You're using a (now) cryptocommie codeword for Jewery
(neo-conservative) with Nazi imagery. Everybody knows that Jews are
communists, right? ;-). Except, of course, to a cryptocommie, *everyone*'s
a fascist. Must be like eskimos and 19 different names for snow, or
something.

It has always amused me that libertarians and anarcho-capitalists insist on
using the language of the left to describe the things they don't like. One
of the reasons that the right in this country has been so successful has
been their development of a useful analytic apparatus, and corresponding
language, over the past 50 years, certainly more so than the left, which is
nothing but marxism, dilluted or otherwise.


Whatever happened to leaving the barbarians to kill themselves,
and getting the fuck out of family spats?

When they can't seem to kill themselves fast enough, it's time to help them
along a bit, especially when they start killing *you*? :-).

At the moment force-monopoly is, by definition of monopoly, a hierarchical
market. Hence the dance with the girl that brung ya bit. They have
already *stolen* my money, they might as well be doing something with it
that goes back to their existential principle (a bandit who doesn't move
as Mancur Olsen says), i.e. the use of force itself instead of bread and
circuses, and furthermore in killing people (and their friends, and the
camel they rode in on) who now have a demonstrated ability to kill me,
personally.


Sure, there's something to be said for the notion that terrorism is some
form of geodesic warfare, but, notice, when you take out certain
nation-states, terrorism subsides. Or, at least, it returns to that
nation-state, where terrorists can be killed faster. Better there than
here, certainly.

So, I would say that geodesic war consists of (bearer settled :-)) cash
auctions for force. That exists in certain, um, informal markets, but
transaction costs aren't low enough for general use yet. I think we're
we're going to get there, though.

Cheers,
RAH


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Geodesic neoconservative empire

2004-10-29 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:07 PM 10/24/04 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
 If the only way
to kill barbarians is to kill barbarians in their bed before they
kill you in yours, to pave over nation-states that support them,
starting with the easiest first, it can't happen fast enough, as far
as I'm concerned, and I'll gladly vote my expropriated tax-dollars
for the purpose of draining the swamp that is the Middle East.

Is this geodesic neo-conservativism?   Where can I start
bearer-document goose-stepping?

Whatever happened to leaving the barbarians to kill themselves,
and getting the fuck out of family spats?





RE: Geodesic neoconservative empire

2004-10-29 Thread Tyler Durden
Sounds good, but there's a little flaw in the logic:
At 10:07 PM 10/24/04 -0400, R.A. Hettinga wrote:
 If the only way
to kill barbarians is to kill barbarians in their bed before they
kill you in yours, to pave over nation-states that support them,
starting with the easiest first, it can't happen fast enough, as far
as I'm concerned, and I'll gladly vote my expropriated tax-dollars
for the purpose of draining the swamp that is the Middle East.
We're not reducing the quantity of government, just consolidating under a 
single growing Borg-like government, namely the US. I consider one giant 
government a far more dangerous situation that lots of little ones.

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2000 curies of Ci

2004-10-29 Thread Major Variola (ret)
t 10:21 PM 10/24/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:

This is idiotic.  You're claiming that the definition of terrorist is

dependent not on the act, but on why the act was committed.  So if I
was
to go out tomorrow and spread 2000 curies of Ci into the local subway
system As payback for Ruby Ridge, this would not be an act of
terrorism?

Just for correctness' sake, there is no element named Ci, its an
abbrev
for Curies, ie the activity of a gram of Ra.

Perhaps you meant Cs-137.  Halliburton loses mCi of Am-241 etc
monthly.





100,000 Deaths in Iraq

2004-10-29 Thread Tyler Durden
A large percentage of these are women and children, and dying directly due 
to American bombing.
Well make 'em free even if we have to kill every last one of them, right Mr 
Donald?

http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=RelatedStoriespitem=AP%2DIraq+Death+Tollrev=20041029pub_tag=APONLINErelatedTo=942972from=relatedstoryrsNum=4
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Re: Printers betray document secrets

2004-10-29 Thread Dave Howe
Ian Grigg wrote:
It's actually quite an amusing problem.  When put
in those terms, it might be cheaper and more secure
to go find some druggie down back of central station,
and pay them a tenner to write out the ransom demand.
Or buy a newspaper and start cutting and pasting the
letters...
or slightly more professional - lettraset rub-down lettering. available 
in a wide range of fonts, requires no special equipment to use, and 
(although not of any value in this application) sufficiently acid 
resistant to be used on etch boards.



Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies, real money)

2004-10-29 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
Dave Howe wrote:
Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
I'd thought it was so Microsoft could offer an emulation-based migration
path to all the apps that would be broken by Longhorn.  MS has since
backed off on the new filesystem proposal that would have been the
biggest source of breakage (if rumors of a single-rooted, more *nix-like
filesystem turned out to be true).
To be fair to MS, that is already here - you can mount NFS volumes 
as subfolders in 2K and above, just like unix. however, MS don't 
really seem to want to crow about that - just in case someone points 
out unix did this literally decades ago
I was thinking more of the rumor that Longhorn's filesystem would start 
at '/', removing the 'X:' and the concept of separate drives (like unix 
has done for decades :) ).  When I first saw this discussed, the 
consensus was that it would break any application that expected to use 
'X:\PATH'-style filenames or chdrive() (or whatever that lib call to 
change the default drive is).  Someone suggested that MS might ship an 
emulator to handle translation (at some non-trivial cost in performance, 
else no one would have an incentive to refactor) until the vendors could 
rewrite their apps to use the new native filesystem.

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Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies, real money)

2004-10-29 Thread Dave Howe
Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
I'd thought it was so Microsoft could offer an emulation-based migration
path to all the apps that would be broken by Longhorn.  MS has since
backed off on the new filesystem proposal that would have been the
biggest source of breakage (if rumors of a single-rooted, more *nix-like
filesystem turned out to be true).
To be fair to MS, that is already here - you can mount NFS volumes as 
subfolders in 2K and above, just like unix. however, MS don't really 
seem to want to crow about that - just in case someone points out unix 
did this literally decades ago



Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies, real money)

2004-10-29 Thread Dave Howe
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This is what I love about the Internet -- ask a question
and get silence but make a false claim and you get all the
advice you can possibly eat.
  Yup. give wrong advice, and you look like a fool. correct someone 
else's wrong advice, and you make them look foolish (unless you make a 
mistake in your correction, which seems to be some sort of tradition for 
spelling flames :)
  Probably the only reason I even post is because I don't mind looking 
like a fool, if it lets me correct some misconception I am labouring 
under :)



Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

2004-10-29 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 4:16 PM -0400 10/29/04, John Kelsey wrote:
looks like a waste of time and money

I suppose we'll find out sooner or later.

I'm not going to piss in the wind here on this anymore.

Cheers,
RAH

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Re: 100,000 Deaths in Iraq

2004-10-29 Thread Eric Cordian
Tyler Durden writes:

 Well make 'em free even if we have to kill every last one of them, right Mr 
 Donald?

Most AmeriKKKans are too stupid to know that when their Poodle Press talks 
about airstrikes against insurgent safehouses, they really mean bombing 
civilian neighborhoods to scare the resistance out of the people.

I wonder how many skyscrapers you'd have to fly planes into in order to 
kill 100,000 civilians.  THe crimes of Bush et al greatly exceed the 
crimes of the terrorists.

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Re: 2000 curies of Ci

2004-10-29 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:19 PM 10/28/2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
Perhaps you meant Cs-137.  Halliburton loses mCi of Am-241 etc monthly.
MilliCuries?  That's a bit surprising,
though losing microCuries of it would be more likely.
An average home smoke detector has 1-5 microcuries,
and industrial detectors go up to 15, according to
one or two articles on the web which may be outdated.
So you're saying they lose hundreds to thousands of
smoke detectors a month?


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Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

2004-10-29 Thread John Kelsey
From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 29, 2004 7:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Geodesic neoconservative empire

..
It has always amused me that libertarians and anarcho-capitalists insist on
using the language of the left to describe the things they don't like. One
of the reasons that the right in this country has been so successful has
been their development of a useful analytic apparatus, and corresponding
language, over the past 50 years, certainly more so than the left, which is
nothing but marxism, dilluted or otherwise.

Is there a better term than empire for what gets built when your country goes out, 
invades lots of other countries, takes them over, and runs them?  I don't know about 
other peoples' objections to this, but mine mainly involve my belief that this is an 
expensive and not very effective way to deal with terrorism.  

..
At the moment force-monopoly is, by definition of monopoly, a hierarchical
market. Hence the dance with the girl that brung ya bit. They have
already *stolen* my money, they might as well be doing something with it

Well, the question is, what ought they to be doing with it.  Invading Iraq to build a 
democracy there, in hopes of somehow fixing the root causes of terrorism (as similarly 
goofy idealists on the left once thought they could do for crime in the US), looks 
like a waste of time and money.  I suspect we're causing ourselves more problems, as 
Iraq is not only a place where terrorists can go to attack the US and be attacked by 
us in turn, it's also a place where there are lots of people learning the basic skills 
of being a terrorist, gaining some experience in doing so, etc.  Do you think we're 
going to kill all of those people?  Do you think they'll all abandon terrorist tactics 
when things quiet down in Iraq?  

I know the Republican line these days is that we're safer because the bad guys are all 
shooting at Marines in Iraq, rather than at civilians in Des Moines.  But that only 
makes sense if we don't end up with a much bigger problem later, as a result.  Perhaps 
we should all have rested more secure in our beds when the jihadis were streaming into 
Afghanistan, where they would be killed in large numbers by the Red Army.  But it's 
not clear that was a long-term win  

Anyway, you sound like there's some willingness on the part of this administration (or 
the one Kerry may set up in January) to actually cut government spending to other 
things, in order to do the nation building thing.  What evidence have you seen for 
that, so far?  

..
Cheers,
RAH



Re: Financial identity is *dangerous*? (was re: Fake companies, real money)

2004-10-29 Thread Dave Howe
Roy M. Silvernail wrote:
I was thinking more of the rumor that Longhorn's filesystem would
start at '/', removing the 'X:' and the concept of separate drives
(like unix has done for decades :) ).  When I first saw this
discussed, the consensus was that it would break any application that
expected to use 'X:\PATH'-style filenames or chdrive() (or whatever
that lib call to change the default drive is).  Someone suggested
that MS might ship an emulator to handle translation (at some
non-trivial cost in performance, else no one would have an incentive
to refactor) until the vendors could rewrite their apps to use the
new native filesystem.
The more likely solution though is that longhorn will *default* to a \ 
rooted file system for fixed drives, rather than the current situation 
where it defaults to a set of drive letters.