Militia or other Terrorists?
PS: heard some fedscum mention 'militia and other terrorists' the other day, what would Gen George W think? which fedscum, do you have a mentionable source, c.? It was ATF, about some gun-robbers; it seems to be a reply to trollbait by the Faux news channel or spontaneous dreck. http://www.gunmuse.com/News/Are%20they%20Terrorist%20or%20Militia Are they Terrorist or MilitiaBY GunMuse That was the question asked and answered to by Fox News to the ATF in Michigan Gun store robberies. This is a prime example of where we see our gun organizations failing to take action. Those words are not interchangeable. The Clinton administration tried to make it that way while they rewrote the constitution via executive orders, and gave away federal lands and national treasures (Like the liberty bell) to the United Nations. This is a defamation of character to interchange these words. Militias are required to by the constitution to be a citizen protection from government corruption and abuse of power on its own people. Its the very reason that the military can not be used to police US citizens for any reason. More than 300 firearms have been stolen from local dealers in a short period of time. The thieves were caught on film using a shotgun to blast open the front door running to the back display cases and grabbing as many pistols as they could carry and were gone in less than 1 minute and 15 seconds. The ATF said they already had suspects and had issued a federal search warrant in the case and then was asked the question. Are the robbers terrorist or Militia? Lumping American patriots and believers in a strong constitutional government in the same boat as those who attacked New York.
Re: [Antisocial] Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theorist
At 06:12 AM 12/19/04 +0100, Anonymous wrote: Major Variola typed: PS: heard some fedscum mention 'militia and other terrorists' the other day, what would Gen George W think? which fedscum, do you have a mentionable source, c.? I haven't found the source, I recall that I heard it. Might have been a quickie comment on eg the Crystal Cathedral shooter. (Their depressed music conductor who alas didn't take Schuller out.) reminds of the Reno quote, They have computers and... other weapons of mass destruction. .They have computers, they're tappin' phone lines, you know that ain't allowed..
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 10:53 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. I can concur with this, though it wouldn't surprise me if lying on police reports has increased since then. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. He may not have a choice. There are three choices for intracity travel in the US: air, automobile (I'm lumping intracity buses in with personal cars here for a reason that will be obvious later), and train. First, let's look at automobile travel, which includes buses. There is one major intracity bus company left and that's Greyhound. They tend to be cheap, and thus attract people who can't afford to fly. The only advantage over driving your own car, is you don't have to worry about doing the driving yourself (Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us if you remember the old commercials). Generally, automobile travel is nearly unworkable if you're going farther than, say, a 10-hour drive or about 500 miles. As for Amtrak (the last passenger rail line left), well, that may be just as bad in most cases. I have heard that the government subsidies of Amtrak are being dropped to lower and lower levels, and as such they are not making enough money to operate at acceptable standards to most of us. Read misc.transport.rail sometime and you will see what I mean. Also, you don't get there that much faster than with automobile travel, and I think it may actually cost more. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. I wouldn't speak so ill of the ACLU. Groups like the ACLU are just about the last thing standing between what's left of our democracy and an outright dictatorship. White people aren't even necessarily the majority anymore. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. This is downright insensitive. (Mr. Monahan, if you actually get to read this, Terranson does *not* represent the views of all of us in the least.) I really have a good mind to archive this and send it back to you when your wife gets pregnant and something similar happens to you. And again, he likely didn't continue to fly because he wanted to. See #2 above. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
Several points come to mind: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:25:32 -0500 From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot, my arms stretched out, the other leg sticking out in front of me àla a DUI test. I began to get pissed off, as most normal people would. My anger increased when I realized that the newly knighted federal employees weren't just examining me, but my 712 months pregnant wife as well. I'd originally thought that I'd simply been randomly selected for the more excessive than normal search. You know, Number 50 or whatever. Apparently not though - it was both of us. These are your new threats, America: pregnant accountants and their sleepy husbands flying to weddings. After some more grumbling on my part they eventually finished with me and I went to retrieve our luggage from the x-ray machine. Upon returning I found my wife sitting in a chair, crying. Mary rarely cries, and certainly not in public. When I asked her what was the matter, she tried to quell her tears and sobbed, I'm sorry...it's...they touched my breasts...and... That's all I heard. I marched up to the woman who'd been examining her and shouted, What did you do to her? Later I found out that in addition to touching her swollen breasts - to protect the American citizenry - the employee had asked that she lift up her shirt. Not behind a screen, not off to the side - no, right there, directly in front of the
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Sun, 2004-12-19 at 12:01 -0600, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: He may not have a choice. Bullshit. 100% bullshit. Unless you are trying to cover a lot of lake, flying is an option, not a requirement. Driving sucks - I do it a lot, and hate every mile of it - but it *is* an option. If you need to get from, say, Houston to Seattle, in less than a full day, how is driving an option? Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? Those were local transit buses, not intercity buses. Huge difference. -- Shawn K. Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Militia or other Terrorists?
PS: heard some fedscum mention 'militia and other terrorists' the other day, what would Gen George W think? which fedscum, do you have a mentionable source, c.? It was ATF, about some gun-robbers; it seems to be a reply to trollbait by the Faux news channel or spontaneous dreck. That quote sounds like a FAUX news rather than ATF blunder. FAUX news is far down the Tim May Memorial Furnace Invitation list, and that faux pas doesn't improve their ranking very much. ATF is already near the top of the list. Field agents are targets of opportunity. Their failure to be caught saying something stupid will not save them from my wrath or Allah's.
Re: [Antisocial] Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theorist
Major Variola typed: If he really gave a shat he'd investigate the RDX stored in the Murrah building, next to daycare, but that was just a (.mil trained) 'Merican, not a bunch of specops Ay-rabs. the proper pejorative is 'Merkin. JYA may be Architects (snicker) but methinks he groks structures, and even if not, his cryptome penance absolves him from the sins of the artsy. PS: heard some fedscum mention 'militia and other terrorists' the other day, what would Gen George W think? which fedscum, do you have a mentionable source, c.? reminds of the Reno quote, They have computers and... other weapons of mass destruction.
Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot, my arms stretched out, the other leg sticking out in front of me àla a DUI test. I began to get pissed off, as most normal people would. My anger increased when I realized that the newly knighted federal employees weren't just examining me, but my 712 months pregnant wife as well. I'd originally thought that I'd simply been randomly selected for the more excessive than normal search. You know, Number 50 or whatever. Apparently not though - it was both of us. These are your new threats, America: pregnant accountants and their sleepy husbands flying to weddings. After some more grumbling on my part they eventually finished with me and I went to retrieve our luggage from the x-ray machine. Upon returning I found my wife sitting in a chair, crying. Mary rarely cries, and certainly not in public. When I asked her what was the matter, she tried to quell her tears and sobbed, I'm sorry...it's...they touched my breasts...and... That's all I heard. I marched up to the woman who'd been examining her and shouted, What did you do to her? Later I found out that in addition to touching her swollen breasts - to protect the American citizenry - the employee had asked that she lift up her shirt. Not behind a screen, not off to the side - no, right there, directly in front of the hundred or so passengers standing in line. And for you women who've been pregnant and worn maternity pants, you know how ridiculous those things look. I felt like a clown, my wife told me later. On display for all these people, with the cotton panel on my pants and my stomach sticking out. When I sat down I just lost my composure and began to cry. That's when you walked up. Of course when I say she told me later, it's because she wasn't able to tell me at the time, because as soon as I demanded to know what the federal employee had done to make her cry, I was swarmed by Portland police officers. Instantly. Three of them, cinching my arms, locking me in handcuffs, and telling me I was under arrest. Now my wife really began to cry. As they led me away and she ran alongside, I implored her to calm down, to think of the baby, promising her that everything would turn out all right. She faded into the distance and I was shoved into an elevator, a cop holding each arm. After making me face the corner, the head honcho told that I was under arrest and that I wouldn't be flying that day - that I was in fact a menace. It took me a while to regain my composure. I felt like I was one of those guys in The Gulag Archipelago who, because the proceedings all seem so unreal, doesn't fully realize that he is in fact being arrested in a public place in front of crowds of people for...for what? I didn't know what the crime was. Didn't matter. Once upstairs, the officers made me remove my shoes and my hat and tossed me into a cell. Yes, your airports have prison cells, just like your amusement parks, train stations, universities, and national forests. Let freedom reign. After a short time I received a visit from the arresting officer. Mr. Monahan, he started, Are you on drugs? Was this even real? No, I'm not on drugs. Should you be? What do you mean? Should you be on any type of medication? No. Then why'd you react that way back there? You see the thinking? You see what passes for reasoning among your domestic shock troops these days? Only whackos get angry over seeing the woman they've been with for ten years in tears because someone has touched her breasts. That kind of reaction - love, protection - it's mind-boggling! Mr. Monahan, are you on drugs? His snide words rang inside my head. This is my wife, finally pregnant with our
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
(4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. Funny how most Americans only wake up after it happens to them. Case in point? How 'bout that proud-n-patriotic lady in Farenheit 911? As far as I could tell, prior to her son's death she was all in favor of the Attack on Iraq and even encouraged her son to serve (I hate that fucking word)...the only thing that changed her mind was that HER son was killed (the piles of dead Iraqis in their own country didn't matter and hell nor did the other dead US soldiers). So when she was hanging around in front of the White House I didn't have a hell of a lot of sympathy. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:53:26 -0600 (CST) Several points come to mind: (1) Mr. Monahan seems to think that lies on police reports are an artifact of 9/11. Welcome to the real world Mr. Monahan. (2) Monahan, and those like him who continue to fly, have nobody to blame but themselves: if you continue to feed these assholes by buying those tickets, then you have it coming: simple economics. If people refuse to fly, this will stop. (3) As to the ACLU, again, welcome to the real world. Many of us have been down that road before you Mr. Monahan - while the ACLU is not a bad thing per se, they are a lot like the cops and courts: they are not there for any one individual, there are there for the big picture. And the Big Picture requires money, which means you must be a minority (since how can anyone of the majority ever be oppressed?). In a nutshell, Fuck The ACLU. (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, R.A. Hettinga wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 10:25:32 -0500 From: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html LewRockwell.com Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There? by Nicholas Monahan ? ?? ?? ?? This morning I'll be escorting my wife to the hospital, where the doctors will perform a caesarean section to remove our first child. She didn't want to do it this way - neither of us did - but sometimes the Fates decide otherwise. The Fates or, in our case, government employees. On the morning of October 26th Mary and I entered Portland International Airport, en route to the Las Vegas wedding of one of my best friends. Although we live in Los Angeles, we'd been in Oregon working on a film, and up to that point had had nothing but praise to shower on the city of Portland, a refreshing change of pace from our own suffocating metropolis. At the security checkpoint I was led aside for the inspection that's all the rage at airports these days. My shoes were removed. I was told to take off my sweater, then to fold over the waistband of my pants. My baseball hat, hastily jammed on my head at 5 AM, was removed and assiduously examined (Anything could be in here, sir, I was told, after I asked what I could hide in a baseball hat. Yeah. Anything.) Soon I was standing on one foot,
Re: [Antisocial] Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theorist
..They have computers, they're tappin' phone lines, you know that ain't allowed.. Zappa...Heads...Crimson? A profile is emerging here! Either that or you recently broke into your dad's vinyl collection... -TD From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Antisocial] Sept. 11 Conspiracy Theorist Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:13:21 -0800 At 06:12 AM 12/19/04 +0100, Anonymous wrote: Major Variola typed: PS: heard some fedscum mention 'militia and other terrorists' the other day, what would Gen George W think? which fedscum, do you have a mentionable source, c.? I haven't found the source, I recall that I heard it. Might have been a quickie comment on eg the Crystal Cathedral shooter. (Their depressed music conductor who alas didn't take Schuller out.) reminds of the Reno quote, They have computers and... other weapons of mass destruction. ..They have computers, they're tappin' phone lines, you know that ain't allowed..
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: He may not have a choice. Bullshit. 100% bullshit. Unless you are trying to cover a lot of lake, flying is an option, not a requirement. Driving sucks - I do it a lot, and hate every mile of it - but it *is* an option. Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? (4) Lastly, as to your cesarian, fuck you and your wife, and her cesearean. We don't give a shit about your personal problems, just like you don't care about ours. Sure, it makes for a pulpy little story, but when you get right down to it, do we really care? No. Because, again, you helped to create this beast you are now bitching about, and after it bit you, you *continued to fly*, and thereby feed it some more. This is downright insensitive. (Mr. Monahan, if you actually get to read this, Terranson does *not* represent the views of all of us in the least.) I really have a good mind to archive this and send it back to you when your wife gets pregnant and something similar happens to you. Archive any fucking thing you want, and send it to whomever you like, whenever you like. Insensitive? Maybe. But it's true as well. I have zero tolerance for you and Monahan and those like you, who will feed this bitch while continuing to complain. Put up or shut up. Fly or don't. But if you're going to feed this fucker, then you *will* eventually pay this kind of price - and you will have DESERVED IT. If for no other reason than you helped to heap it upon other through your financial support. And again, he likely didn't continue to fly because he wanted to. See #2 above. And, again, Bullshit. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
Re: Coffee, Tea, or Should We Feel Your Pregnant Wife's Breasts Before Throwing You in a Cell at the Airport and Then Lying About Why We Put You There?
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: If you need to get from, say, Houston to Seattle, in less than a full day, how is driving an option? Farm the work out. Or pass on the job. Or take a plane. Or drive - the are *all* options. None of them are *requirements*. Remember the buses. Remember what happened when them negroes got uppity and stopped taking the bus? Those were local transit buses, not intercity buses. Huge difference. Scale of distance is the only difference. Either you support the system or you don't. I don't: I either drive to jobs (charging for mileage) or I pass on them, rather than take part in the police state that is todays air system. You have the very same choices. The argument eveyone is making here is that it is too much of an inconvenience (financial or otherwise), *not* to fly. Sorry, but that's just pure self-serving BS. You either work against the problem, or you live with the problem you have (a) helped to create and (b) actively work to maintain (with your ticket dollars). If you choose to maintain the system, then you have no business bitching when it turns it's jaundiced eyes towards you. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF Civilization is in a tailspin - everything is backwards, everything is upside down- doctors destroy health, psychiatrists destroy minds, lawyers destroy justice, the major media destroy information, governments destroy freedom and religions destroy spirituality - yet it is claimed to be healthy, just, informed, free and spiritual. We live in a social system whose community, wealth, love and life is derived from alienation, poverty, self-hate and medical murder - yet we tell ourselves that it is biologically and ecologically sustainable. The Bush plan to screen whole US population for mental illness clearly indicates that mental illness starts at the top. Rev Dr Michael Ellner
