Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:13:18PM -0700, cypherpunk wrote: And of course there is Eugen* Leitl, who mindlessly forwards far and wide everything that enters his mailbox. I don't know whether we Consider me bitten by Choate. It's totally incurable. should be annoyed or relieved that he fails to exercise the slightest editorial effort by adding his own thoughts, if he has any, to the material he passes around. I don't need the list. Goddamn heise has more cypherpunk content than the list. Tim May's tired trolls have more cypherpunk content than the list. I'm trying to keep it going by keeping a steady trickle of relevant info but I'm honestly wondering if it's worth the effort. If you think I'm going to add editing effort, thus cutting some 10 minutes out of my already busy day you're out of your fucking mind. If you want high quality content, post it yourself. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
On 2005-05-09T12:28:25-0400, Adam Back wrote: There is a simple protocol for this described in Schneier's Applied Crypto if you have one handy... (If I recall the application he illustrates with is: it allows two people to securely compare salary (which is larger) without either party divulging their specific salary to each other or to a trusted intermediary). Adam On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:00:58AM -0700, Sarad AV wrote: hi, If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. I don't recall that particular protocol in AC, but it's a mistake to call such a thing zero-knowledge, since it mandatorily leaks ~1.585 bits of information (the first time) about the other person's integer. Perform it enough with enough different integers on your side, and you'll be able to discover the other person's integer. There's the round-table of people who want to know what their average salary is, but that only works if there are more than two people and no two are in collusion. (one person generates a random number, adds that to salary, gives only the sum to the next person. Everyone else simply adds their salary and passes it on. It gets back to the originator who subtracts out the random number and divides by the number of people. Hence it doesn't work with 2 people. Technically, the two-person salary comparison isn't zero-knowledge either, which explains why I didn't find it in the zero-knowledge chapter (or maybe I've lost my ability to skim technical books). Once you know the average, you know something about your salary compared with both the overall average and the average of everyone else. You know that nobody can make any more than the sum. The trouble is that you don't know how many bits of information the other person _doesn't_ have about your salary. If they know you make either A, B, or C, running the protocol Adam mentions and choosing the middle salary will reveal the other person's exact salary.
Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
On 2005-05-09T19:55:26+, Justin wrote: What do we need security for? We need security because a lot of people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and Apparently I have not learned any lessons from the follies of a certain California governor. By close the borders, I mean secure the borders against illegal immigration. I have no interest in doing away with immigration.
Re: Zero knowledge( ab )
On 5/9/05, Sarad AV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If user A has the integer a and user B has the integer b, can a zero knowledge proof be developed to show that ab,ab or a=b. You've got two different things mixed up here. A zero knowledge proof is normally used by one person to show that he knows a value satisfying certain conditions, without revealing what the value is. What you are asking for involves two people who want to compute a function of their inputs, without revealing those inputs. That is known as a multi party computation or MPC. As was pointed out, Schneier has some good pointers on MPC calculations. There is a program you can download called Fairplay which will perform MPC calculations like this. One of them does exactly what you are asking for. See http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/labs/danss/Fairplay/ CP
Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
A Politech article forwarded email from a liar named [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From the EE-Times, a between the lines look at the future of RFID tracking: re: E-passport makers hail U.S. retreat Junko Yoshida [FAIR USE] EE Times (04/29/2005 1:38 PM EDT) PARIS - Global electronic passports suppliers hailed a decision by the U.S. State Department to drop a requirement for additional security measures in next-generation U.S. passports. The specifications have yet to be finalized. Neville Pattinson, director of technology development and government affairs for smart card provider Axalto Americas, said Friday (April 29) that adding security measures such as Basic Access Control and a metallic shield cover to U.S. passports could completely make the information [stored in the e-passport] undetectable. http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/business/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=162100152 is the actual EE times article. The true article reads, as you can see for yourself: PARIS Global electronic passports suppliers hailed a decision by the U.S. State Department to add a requirement for additional security measures in next-generation U.S. passports. The specifications have yet to be finalized. Can you see the difference? What's wrong with this picture? The true article says that the U.S. will ADD a requirement for additional security measures. The article as quoted by liar Parks had been changed to say that the U.S. will DROP the requirement. Of course that made the article read as confused and inconsistent, which is what led me to track down the original. I'm pissed at Parks for lying and editing a supposedly forwarded article to make some kind of rhetorical point. He had his own comments interspersed among the article's supposed text so he had plenty of opportunity to make his own arguments. Altering the text of material you are quoting is the lowest of despicable argumentation techniques. I'm also pissed at McCullagh for forwarding this on without the slightest fact checking. Of course anyone familiar with his work will know better than to expect a correction or even acknowledgement of his error. He is a hack reporter who cares nothing about accuracy or truth, only on stirring things up and pushing the predictable buttons of his readers. And of course there is Eugen* Leitl, who mindlessly forwards far and wide everything that enters his mailbox. I don't know whether we should be annoyed or relieved that he fails to exercise the slightest editorial effort by adding his own thoughts, if he has any, to the material he passes around. CP
Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
On 2005-05-09T12:22:22-0700, cypherpunk wrote: We already have de facto national ID in the form of our state driver's licenses. They are accepted at face value at all 50 states as well as by the federal government. Real ID would rationalize the issuing procedures and require a certain minimum of verification. Without it we have security that is only as strong as the weakest state's policies. States should be free to regulate DRIVERS however they want. The DL was not meant to be an ID card, and if it was that intent was unconstitutional. The entire DL scheme may be unconstitutional anyway, but oh well. What do we need security for? We need security because a lot of people hate the U.S., and because we won't close our borders, and because society has become too diverse. There is a significant correlation between cultural diversity/proximity and social unrest. That does not require people of different races; put white klansmen next to white members of the Black Panthers and you have the same thing. None of those three core problems will be solved by RealID. Therefore, while RealID may make some difference at the margins, it cannot be very effective.
Re: [IP] Real ID = National ID (fwd from dave@farber.net)
We already have de facto national ID in the form of our state driver's licenses. They are accepted at face value at all 50 states as well as by the federal government. Real ID would rationalize the issuing procedures and require a certain minimum of verification. Without it we have security that is only as strong as the weakest state's policies. CP
[rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: marc guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be videotaped. - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
Jesus Christ Meets Your Papers Please (fwd)
If you think this is stupid, just wait till the Real ID Act takes effect. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF What this country needs is a good old fashioned nuclear enema. http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/10/jesus.lawsuit.ap/index.html Jesus Christ in legal battle to get license Tuesday, May 10, 2005 Posted: 7:58 AM EDT (1158 GMT) CHARLESTON, West Virginia (AP) -- Even Jesus Christ can't circumvent the rules for getting a driver's license in West Virginia. Attempts to prove his name really is Christ have led the man born as Peter Robert Phillips Jr. through a lengthy legal battle and a recent victory in the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. This all started with him expressing his faith and his respect and love for Jesus Christ, attorney A.P. Pishevar told The Associated Press. Now he needs to document it for legal reasons. Described by his attorney as a white-haired businessman in his mid-50s, Christ is moving to West Virginia to enjoy a slower lifestyle. He bought property near Lost River, about 100 miles west of Washington, and has a U.S. passport, Social Security card and Washington driver's license bearing the name Jesus Christ. But he still falls short of West Virginia title and license transfer requirements because his Florida birth certificate has his original name on it and he has been unable to obtain an official name change in Washington. We just need official documentation that that's his name, said Doug Stump, commissioner of the West Virginia Division of Motor Vehicles. He will be treated no different than anybody else. Christ applied for the legal name change in May 2003, but it was denied by District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Tim Murphy because taking the name of Jesus Christ may provoke a violent reaction or may significantly offend people. In his appeal, Christ's attorney argued that Phillips had changed his name to Jesus Christ 15 years earlier, and has been using the name since then without incident. The appeals court last month sent the name-change proposal back to the lower court, saying some required hearings in the case had not been held. Any comment from the man in the middle of this legal tussle? Christ is not speaking to the press at this time, Pishevar said.
Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
Yeah...it's pretty fuckin' pointless. Tantamount to proving a guy pointing a gun at you is actually pointing a gun at you, TO the guy pointing the gun at you. -TD From: Gil Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:40:17 + -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: marc guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be videotaped. While anyone can empathize with their desire not to pay taxes and many of us can even disagree with the moral justification for taxes, these people are idiots. Their entire case boils down to quibbles over arguably poorly worded regulations. And even if you take their argument at face value, if you go read the sections of the Code of Federal Regulations they cite, they're just plain wrong: they're willfully misreading the plain language of the regulations. (Okay, plain language is probably not the right phrase to apply to any part of the CFR, but...) They're definitely going down; probably to jail, but at the least they'll be subject to massive fines, property seizures, etc. Nothing to see here, folks; move along. GH _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: marc guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be videotaped. While anyone can empathize with their desire not to pay taxes and many of us can even disagree with the moral justification for taxes, these people are idiots. Their entire case boils down to quibbles over arguably poorly worded regulations. And even if you take their argument at face value, if you go read the sections of the Code of Federal Regulations they cite, they're just plain wrong: they're willfully misreading the plain language of the regulations. (Okay, plain language is probably not the right phrase to apply to any part of the CFR, but...) They're definitely going down; probably to jail, but at the least they'll be subject to massive fines, property seizures, etc. Nothing to see here, folks; move along. GH _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com)
I dunno...I don't see a ton of Leitl stuff on the al-qaeda node. That which does come through seems fairly relevant. I'm thinking Choate and RAH are tsk-ing his failed attempt at pure stream-of-consciousness posting. -TD From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Politech] Passport RFID tracking: a between-the-lines read [priv] (fwd from declan@well.com) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:01:33 +0200 On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:13:18PM -0700, cypherpunk wrote: And of course there is Eugen* Leitl, who mindlessly forwards far and wide everything that enters his mailbox. I don't know whether we Consider me bitten by Choate. It's totally incurable. should be annoyed or relieved that he fails to exercise the slightest editorial effort by adding his own thoughts, if he has any, to the material he passes around. I don't need the list. Goddamn heise has more cypherpunk content than the list. Tim May's tired trolls have more cypherpunk content than the list. I'm trying to keep it going by keeping a steady trickle of relevant info but I'm honestly wondering if it's worth the effort. If you think I'm going to add editing effort, thus cutting some 10 minutes out of my already busy day you're out of your fucking mind. If you want high quality content, post it yourself. -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a __ ICBM: 48.07078, 11.61144http://www.leitl.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE http://moleculardevices.org http://nanomachines.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
RE: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd)
Man, that chic's a little dizzy. Good sweater meat, though. -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th (fwd) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 19:46:34 -0500 (CDT) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:45:35 -0700 (PDT) From: marc guttman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [rationalchatter] Interesting Trial - IRS trial - July 11th This is an interesting trial. Men with guns. Tessa and Larken Rose may be sent to jail. Watch 3 min. - video - http://www.861.info/tessa.html Trial starts July 11th. There is a petition to encourage that it be videotaped. - Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
Re: Jesus Christ Meets Your Papers Please (fwd)
On 2005-05-10T08:53:31-0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: If you think this is stupid, just wait till the Real ID Act takes effect. There is already a Jesus Christ living in D.C. If it's legal for someone named Jesus Christ to move to D.C., it should be legal for a D.C. resident or no-longer resident to change his name to Jesus Christ. It's not technically an equal protection issue, but it strikes me as being some sort of discrimination. That doesn't stop a lot of states from passing discriminatory laws, though, as long as the particular discrimination being sought isn't listed in the CRA. Jesus Christ - (202) 543-9498 - , Washington, DC 20001 and other states: Jesus Christ - (310) 458-9440 - 1328 Euclid St, Santa Monica, CA 90404 Jesus A Christ - (207) 374-2175 - 19 Harborview Ct, Blue Hill, ME 04614 This may be the Jesus Christ in question: Jesus Christ - (304) 897-7727 - , Lost City, WV 26810 http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/10/jesus.lawsuit.ap/index.html Jesus Christ in legal battle to get license Tuesday, May 10, 2005 Posted: 7:58 AM EDT (1158 GMT) CHARLESTON, West Virginia (AP) -- Even Jesus Christ can't circumvent the rules for getting a driver's license in West Virginia. ... Described by his attorney as a white-haired businessman in his mid-50s, Christ is moving to West Virginia to enjoy a slower lifestyle. He bought property near Lost River, about 100 miles west of Washington, and has a U.S. passport, Social Security card and Washington driver's license bearing the name Jesus Christ. But he still falls short of West Virginia title and license transfer requirements because his Florida birth certificate has his original name on it and he has been unable to obtain an official name change in Washington. I don't understand this. Washington D.C. doesn't handle birth certificates for people born in Florida. All of his federal documentation lists Jesus Christ as his name. Why is the problem in D.C.? It seems to me to be a little late for the brainless in Washington to try to put a lid on this. They should have done that when he got his SS card, passport, or driver's license. I'm somewhat interested in how he got his SS card, passport, and drivers license in a different name than was on his birth certificate. If he's only been using the name for 17 years, that puts both acquisitions at 1988 or later. Maybe decades before that it would have been possible, but how could he have gotten away with it so recently?
