New Drugs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 1:39 PM -0400 8/23/05, Trei, Peter wrote: I [want] a new drug... I would request the irony-impaired actually look up the lyrics of this paen to endogenous ero-endorphins, written by a drug-hating San Francisco acid-kindergarten refugee. In the meantime, I'm all for the legalization of meth -- as long as I get to sharpen my Recon Tonto and personally slit the bag of any of the bastids as they cross my windowsill looking for something to steal. Kinda like opening the borders without killing the welfare state first. Okay, maybe our porous borders *will* kill the welfare state, of course, Reagan used unrestrained soviet-killing budget deficits to kill the welfare state en passant. He didn't? I mean, Clinton *did* say ...big government is over., right? Right??? looks offstage This thing on? Cheers, RAH The only to legalize anything is when progress makes the law superfluous. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Desktop 9.0.2 (Build 2425) iQEVAwUBQwtypsUCGwxmWcHhAQHpDgf/T5q80m2rgc57388eGuvdIq1YttZDMww2 NannlO3JhKbTXQNKuoArDV66GPhg9nST3KYWLXI/MyrJllgtNioudkxF/pTU B3ussJXFfHbo3Ya1wgM9P1srQlK6smmamv3oHXY92kqeM5JBWfwG7gybMaC+IKKb nk0YgblOoW2bsXfONjdISXti0ENvkFIMrLxajoWVXSAp1exDOCJPqLSxbKnX2DNd ftBNYO8h9tt/qr6KRhBZsY449Vs1g1CMVigdVy6h7y9WBlhRWCMjJF/pfnJWbQJm a4f9H/XjNntHVr+Z0UZnthj0Va2RKKm99CKTFS+7fypDlEfslq/W3A== =vsGf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: New Drugs
On 8/23/05, R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- At 1:39 PM -0400 8/23/05, Trei, Peter wrote: I [want] a new drug... I would request the irony-impaired actually look up the lyrics of this paen to endogenous ero-endorphins, written by a drug-hating San Francisco acid-kindergarten refugee. Especially the closing line of the refrain. I think the point was that if you get laid regularly you don't need drugs. Works for me. -- There are no bad teachers, only defective children.
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On 8/23/05, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go away if crystal meth were legal? agreed; though i'd rather see them taking something less neurotoxic, like dex or racemic amphetamine. Lets not forget the lessons of the NYC Methadone Maintenance Programs either... Along with legalization must come the removal of monopoly practices such a single sourcing of the drug and prescriptions to dispense. Only then does the free market take over and keep the price, and the crime, low. fortunately stimulants are some of the cheapest drugs to produce minus all the regulatory overhead. I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they are intended to support. don zweig, M.D. i'm saving this quote :)
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On 8/21/05, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... As for crystal meth, I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but if I want to pour something from my chemistry set down my throat that shouldn't be anybody's business. The fact that it doesn't accidentally kill me and indeed gives me a buzz shouldn't be the sole provence of the pharmaceutical companies. After that, if you want to make laws about selling the stuff well that's a different matter. the state of oregon just passed a law (yet to be put into effect) that requires a prescription from a doctor for all sudafed (pseudo ephedrine) purchases. the problem isn't drug addicts killing themselves with corrosive fluids, as this would be a problem that solves itself in short order, but rather that meth heads are idiotic crime machines. i've had numerous friends and acquaintances affected by this (vehicles stolen or broken into, property damaged and/or stolen, tweakers robbing at knife point, etc, etc) and it's getting ridiculous*. big brother isn't the answer, but when you get a lot of pissed off citizens and overwhelmed police involved the solutions they settle for are going to be ugly and invasive. what a fucking mess... * last week a tweaker out of jail for only a few weeks went around to our hay growers neighbors and stole all sorts of random crap from homes up and down the road he lived on. everything from elk antlers to hand made arrows for bow hunting, power tools loaded into a wheel barrow, the most random crap. the only reason he didn't hit our hay grower was that last time he stole from them they went to his parents house and told him the next time your son steals from my home you'll be attending a funeral. now that's closer to an effective solution. :)
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go away if crystal meth were legal? There's little doubt that the vast majority of drug-related crime stems not from some crazed crime spree but from issues relating to supply and demand. Legalizing drug XYZ no doubt drops the cost. Lets not forget the lessons of the NYC Methadone Maintenance Programs either. While heroin results in crime due to high cost (by virtue of illegalization), the legal version also creates crime due to it's high cost. The MMPs have the same Money or else position that the junkie faces on the street, and while the prices are certainly lower, they are NOT low. In 1983 a junkie expected to pay $40-$80 per *day* for maintenance (I'm sure it's a lot higher today). Along with legalization must come the removal of monopoly practices such a single sourcing of the drug and prescriptions to dispense. Only then does the free market take over and keep the price, and the crime, low. Then again, if we legalized a lot of drugs then what would all those corrections officers do for a living? Become airport security experts no doubt. Move Stars. Presidents. McBodies... -TD -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they are intended to support. don zweig, M.D.
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Coderman wrote... the state of oregon just passed a law (yet to be put into effect) that requires a prescription from a doctor for all sudafed (pseudo ephedrine) purchases. the problem isn't drug addicts killing themselves with corrosive fluids, as this would be a problem that solves itself in short order, but rather that meth heads are idiotic crime machines. i've had numerous friends and acquaintances affected by this (vehicles stolen or broken into, property damaged and/or stolen, tweakers robbing at knife point, etc, etc) and it's getting ridiculous*. Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go away if crystal meth were legal? There's little doubt that the vast majority of drug-related crime stems not from some crazed crime spree but from issues relating to supply and demand. Legalizing drug XYZ no doubt drops the cost. Then again, if we legalized a lot of drugs then what would all those corrections officers do for a living? Become airport security experts no doubt. -TD
GPS Jammer Firm nearly ejected from Russian air show.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/08/22/002.html Monday, August 22, 2005. Issue 3235. Page 1. Irksome Firm Nearly Ejected From Air Show By Lyuba Pronina Staff Writer Ivan Sekretarev / AP Spectators watching the Patrouille de France aerobatic team perform during the MAKS air show at the Zhukovsky airfield outside Moscow on Saturday. ZHUKOVSKY, Moscow Region -- The jamming equipment made by Aviakonversia is so effective against U.S. planes and missiles that it apparently provoked an angry phone call to the Kremlin from U.S. President George W. Bush in the first days of the Iraq war. Russian officials do not seem to have forgotten the scandal and on Friday tried to shut down the company's stand at the Seventh Moscow Aviation and Space Show, MAKS 2005, said Aviakonversia director Oleg Antonov. Perhaps the company's presence was simply too embarrassing, considering that the U.S. Air Force occupied a prominent place on the tarmac, displaying a B-1B bomber, F-15 and F-16 fighters, and two bulbous tanker planes used in mid-air refueling. Three representatives of the Federal Industry Agency and the Federal Service for Technical and Export Control, which oversees the export of defense technology, unsuccessfully attempted to close the stand on the grounds that Aviakonversia had not received clearance from the Defense Ministry to showcase its product, Antonov said. The government representatives, concealing their ID badges, did not allow this reporter to be present during their conversation with Antonov. They demanded we pack up, but we have the right to be here -- we paid the rent for this stall, Antonov said after the meeting. We have made the product using our own money and do not need the approval from the Defense Ministry, a grocery director or a banya director. img The Federal Industry Agency was unavailable for comment over the weekend. Aviakonversia, which makes devices that jam the global positioning systems used in navigation, caused a storm of protest from Washington in the early days of the Iraq war in March 2003. Antonov, who for 24 years worked in the State Research Institute of Aviation Systems developing defense systems for planes, founded Aviakonversia with a dozen staffers in 1992. The company developed jammers that interfere with GPS signals and were apparently used by Iraqi forces during the U.S.-led invasion. The Bush administration charged that Aviakonversia personnel were on the ground instructing Iraqi forces how to use and maintain the equipment, The Washington Post reported at the time. Our GPS jammer puts all U.S. high-precision weapons out of order, Antonov said. They have turned billions of dollars that the U.S. government has spent into dust. Antonov denied that his company delivered any equipment directly to Saddam Hussein but acknowledged it might have reached Iraq via arms dealers. Right before the war, there were a lot of people in Moscow with suitcases full of money shopping for anything that could deter U.S. troops, Antonov said. Aviakonversia now manufactures its gear outside Russia so as not to irritate the authorities, he said, though he declined to specify where. He also refused to identify his clients, saying only that they were foreign governments that acquired the jammers through middlemen. The German peacekeeping contingent in Afghanistan recently sent Aviakonversia a letter thanking it for the jammers, which it deployed to interfere with GPS receivers used by Taliban fighters, Antonov said. After Aviakonversia first displayed its wares at MAKS 1997, the Pentagon acquired a few dozen jammers, Antonov said. Then they went quiet. A hubbub ensued, however, in the first days of hostilities, when U.S. forces had difficulty in honing in on their targets. Bush reportedly picked up the phone to voice concern to President Vladimir Putin that Iraqi forces were using Russian-made night-vision goggles, GPS jammers and anti-tank missiles. Antonov lamented that his company did not reap more praise back home. A representative of state-owned Phazotron-NIIR, the maker of radars for fighter jets, also said Friday that their stand had been rigorously inspected by the export control service. Some weapons systems -- such as the S-400 air defense system -- were not even displayed at MAKS, despite previous advertisements. The main innovation on display at MAKS was the MiG-29OVT with all-axis thrust vector-controlled engines that allow for greater maneuverability at low speeds. Irkut Corp. demonstrated its innovative unmanned aerial vehicles for civilian use, with the Emergency Situations Ministry likely to be its first customer.
Re: GPS Jammer Firm nearly ejected from Russian air show.
At 09:27 PM 8/22/2005, Bill Stewart wrote: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2005/08/22/002.html Monday, August 22, 2005. Issue 3235. Page 1. Irksome Firm Nearly Ejected From Air Show By Lyuba Pronina Staff Writer Ivan Sekretarev / AP Spectators watching the Patrouille de France aerobatic team perform during the MAKS air show at the Zhukovsky airfield outside Moscow on Saturday. ZHUKOVSKY, Moscow Region -- The jamming equipment made by Aviakonversia is so effective against U.S. planes and missiles that it apparently provoked an angry phone call to the Kremlin from U.S. President George W. Bush in the first days of the Iraq war. Some unclassified U.S. military analysis of the the Aviakonversia portable GPS/GLONASS jammer from 1997 http://www.ac11.org/gps1.htm Some of the guided munitions foiled by GPS jammers http://www.f-16.net/index.php?module=pagesetterfunc=printpubtid=6pid=9 Articles about jammer kits and countermeasures http://www.letterneversent.com/index.php/archives/2002/12/29/gps-jamming/ http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news001/gpsnews001.htm http://www.mayflowercom.com/products.html http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=81907 Steve
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Tyler Durden writes: Yes, but the old question needs to be asked: How much of this crime would go away if crystal meth were legal? Actually, if we ever managed to kill the culture of prohibition, I suspect that crystal meth would be about as popular is bathtub gin is today. It's terrible stuff. I'd expect the big pharmas to start 'recreational drug' wings, which would bring real research power to the problem of finding highs which are fun, safe, affordable, and with minimal physical addiction. I need a new drug... Peter Trei
